Originally Posted by threeonemiles@outlook.com (Post 2257714)

Antibiotics have been extensively tested. Vaccines not so much.

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2257727)

thank you for a very interesting thread. lots of info, with intelligent comments & Eagle's humor makes it all fall into place. question: do we need to have the shot each year? OBB states she did not need the booster in her experience. do they (Dr's) check titer levels?

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2257727)

thank you for a very interesting thread. lots of info, with intelligent comments & Eagle's humor makes it all fall into place. question: do we need to have the shot each year? OBB states she did not need the booster in her experience. do they (Dr's) check titer levels?

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2257748)

Really? 90% off people who take antibiotics get better. But 80% of people who don't get antibotics get better. A vaccine would never be released with that performance.

Ever heard of antibiotic resistance? Multi drug resistance? Sepsis?

Any idea what damage antibiotics do to your physiology and gut microbiome when taken unnecessary?

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2257894)

Wow the number of doubters of modern medicine.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2257921)

Sadly, "Modern Science" has given us many reasons to be doubtful, of late...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2257921)

Sadly, "Modern Science" has given us many reasons to be doubtful, of late...

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2258030)

Agree you sure "science" is the reason?

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2258012)

Not perfect but I am around only due to medical advances over the years.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2257184)

Anybody got this vaccine? I am thinking about it.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2258108)

Surprised nobody has piped in that it is caused by man made global warming:boom:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257380)

Ok, that question is legitimate enough to warrant a serious answer.

I've been retired 8 years and have not yet looked into the new RSV vaccine, although I believe it is a traditional viral vaccine, unlike COVID. Also, the apparent discovery/infection of adults with RSV is new to me----it has historically been considered a disease of infants and newborns. Personally, I haven't decided whether or not to get this vaccine---but as I already advised everyone else, I'm going to discuss it with my physician, who will be up to date on it.

No, physicians don't "take classes" on every new vaccine or medication. Usually reading the product insert is adequate. There is a publication call "The Medical Letter" that generally does a short review of new meds and vaccines. Beyond that, most of us subscribe to either PubMed or Up to Date----2 professional medical sites that are extremely valuable (not the lay person versions).

Could you get different advice from 2 doctors? Of course---there is an old joke that put 10 doctors in a room and you'll get 10 different opinions, especially with something new. But most vaccines and new drugs are pretty thoroughly tested before they gain FDA approval---no, they're not always 100%, especially when there is an urgent need and they rush something through, but in general they do a good job.

As this develops I'll probably look at the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population, and try as best I can to determine if it's for real or just hype.

Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 2257266)

I talked to both my family doctor and pulmonologist about this vaccine, and both said it was a good idea. My pulmonologist told me that during COVID, when they were testing people, they found that RSV was more prevalent than they thought.

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2257618)

The same group likely insists on being prescribed antibiotics for viral infections...

Which is doing far more harm than any vaccine.

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2257748)

Really? 90% off people who take antibiotics get better. But 80% of people who don't get antibotics get better. A vaccine would never be released with that performance.

Ever heard of antibiotic resistance? Multi drug resistance? Sepsis?

Any idea what damage antibiotics do to your physiology and gut microbiome when taken unnecessary?

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2258188)

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Follow up question. My initial reaction to "product insert" was that it was printed by the drug company, and therefore may not be an objective source of information. Is that an accurate assessment, or is the insert "peer reviewed" or the appropriate term for ensuring that it is 99% objective?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2258221)

Usually, the product insert, which is pretty much identical to the info in the PDR is written by the drug company's researchers, doctors and pharmacists, with heavy input from their lawyers. It's accurate and factual, the penalties for falsifying any content are draconian.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2258205)

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2258244)

The over prescription of antibiotics paradox is as much cultural as medical.

Many hospitals and medical associations have helped educate and apply new Antibiotic Stewardship guidelines to diagnose and treat infections. These guidelines have been made to ensure effective treatments are given for bacterial infections and to reduce incorrect use of antibiotics

Antibiotics: Are you misusing them? - Mayo Clinic

Patients play a part so need to avoid pressuring their health care provider to give an antibiotic prescription. They instead should ask their health care provider for advice on how to treat symptoms.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2258269)

Agreed. Patients should stop pressuring.
Are you asserting based on that article, that doctors prescribing antibiotics when not needed is no longer a problem?
if so, my point is moot.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2258205)

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2258298)

Don't forget the patients, who don't take the antibiotics as prescribed...

I seriously cannot remember the last time a patient actually finished the entire 10 day (or whatever the recommended course) of antibiotics....

Then, they return to the office with a recurrence of the infection...

That also adds to the problem of antibiotic resistant bugs...

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2258305)

I almost always finish the entire course of antibiotics. Will say that if I get 10 days worth and feel fine after say day 4 might well stop at day 7.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2258331)

Remind me to smack you in the head if we ever meet in real life... :1rotfl:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2258333)

I might forget should I write that down?:wave:

Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2258114)

According to the FDA website "Participants will remain in the study through three RSV seasons to assess the duration of effectiveness and the safety and effectiveness of vaccination." The FDA also reports that some patients have had side effects of atrial fibrillation, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare type of inflammation that affects the brain and spinal cord, and Guillain-Barré syndrome (a rare disorder in which the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis).

So just like the COVID vaccine, feel free to be another guinea pig for the RSV vaccine roll out. I think I will wait until at least the three RSV seasonal monitoring is complete with more concrete info before I would consider it.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257519)

Not including you---you did exactly what you should. The post was more directed at those, like during the pandemic, that skipped the physician conversation, did a 5 minute google search and made a bad decision. For many of them, here is the result:

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2258356)

This video from Harvard illustrates the the development of antimicrobial resistance.

At the end of the day, we are destined to become food for bacteria.

https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8?si=n3P4IDq3t0aRdL38

Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2258494)

You seem to exaggerate as much as you accuse others of. It is unfortunate that people can not have a civil conversation without putting down (name calling) the other side.

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2257385)

I am passing on this vaccine, just as I have all the others. It’s a personal decision, I can make on my own.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257380)

Ok, that question is legitimate enough to warrant a serious answer.

I've been retired 8 years and have not yet looked into the new RSV vaccine, although I believe it is a traditional viral vaccine, unlike COVID. Also, the apparent discovery/infection of adults with RSV is new to me----it has historically been considered a disease of infants and newborns. Personally, I haven't decided whether or not to get this vaccine---but as I already advised everyone else, I'm going to discuss it with my physician, who will be up to date on it.

No, physicians don't "take classes" on every new vaccine or medication. Usually reading the product insert is adequate. There is a publication call "The Medical Letter" that generally does a short review of new meds and vaccines. Beyond that, most of us subscribe to either PubMed or Up to Date----2 professional medical sites that are extremely valuable (not the lay person versions).

Could you get different advice from 2 doctors? Of course---there is an old joke that put 10 doctors in a room and you'll get 10 different opinions, especially with something new. But most vaccines and new drugs are pretty thoroughly tested before they gain FDA approval---no, they're not always 100%, especially when there is an urgent need and they rush something through, but in general they do a good job.

As this develops I'll probably look at the incidence and prevalence of RSV in the over 65 population, and try as best I can to determine if it's for real or just hype.