Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1970538)

People that are refusing the vaccines are doing so as they are not FDA approved, they feel their risk of getting it or becoming seriously ill and/or dying is very little based on statistics, and the long term effects of the vaccines are unknown.

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1970567)

No doubt true, yet many are mocking people who got vaccinated, and are literally begging people to listen to reason. This continues loudly on that network, and makes you wonder what exactly they are rooting for.

Don’t get it, give your reasons, but the mocking and giggling, the laughing at people who are asking us to take this seriously is not acceptable to me, but not surprising with this source

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1970711)

Propaganda talking.

Originally Posted by Guitarman1951 (Post 1970532)

Your statement about "natural selection" is offensive and shameful. We are talking about fellow Americans so don't talk down about them.

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1970628)

With reporting there are always some mistakes. Some believe there were a number who died from Covid even before they started testing. The point is that thousands no doubt have died from this virus and the vaccine is keeping more thousands protected. If you are able medically please get the vaccine.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1970709)

Smart people CAN die in an accident. Smart people do NOT die from CV because they have been vaccinated. One death is mostly unavoidable and the other is completely avoidable.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1970542)

We can make whatever excuse we want for these people, but in reality they suffer from life-changing paralyzing FEAR. PARANOIA. that's all. They will vehemently deny it, but despite all we know, they continue to believe they are protecting themselves with a mask, even though all the evidence shows it only does a little to protect those around us. They are not being altruistic, they are not protecting the rest of us by continuing to wear a mask alone, they are very simply AFRAID. Someone suggested they are only wearing it to prevent allergies. Fine. But if that is the case, where were all the pedestrians, cyclists, cart and car drivers wearing a mask pre-COVID? Did anyone see any? So if someone wants to say they've been wearing a mask while cycling for 10 years, I'll take their word for it, but that person would be the exception and does not explain the hundreds that are still wearing a mask. At a community theater production last night in a theater of 100-125, there were at least 20 wearing a mask. Were they allergic to the play? Were they immunocompromised and in reverse isolation? I don't think so.
And you know what? If they would just state they are wearing it out of fear, that would be OK also. Stupid, but OK. But instead they make every excuse in the book for wearing it, so obviously they are concealing their true reasoning (or lack thereof)
Sorry if that is offensive to the <1% of the population it describes, but the truth is the truth, even if some won't face it.

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 1970582)

Yes they are. And reviewing old death certificates that were not tested, and possible change to Covid related. Don’t forget every facility gets $$$ for each case.

Our best friends son stage 4 Mets to lung, brain, his Mom (hospice nurse) did his hospice in their home, never out in public, for 4 months. Not tested. His certificate is in review to change to Covid. He was 29

Our best friend, he and his wife both Anesthesiologists, she was stage 4, Mets, septic. Hospice in home by her husband, at their 25 acre cottage, for 3 months, No outside contact. Cardiac Arrest on their way to hospital, did CPR in the parking lot of rest area. Pronounced at scene. Never tested Certificate in review for possible Covid Death. She was 62.

So two examples close to my heart, families are fighting the change in cause of death, that is in review.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1970469)

Another example of the media using a small sample set and blowing it out of proportion. Currently, the 7 day average Covid death rate in the US is 166. That means you are 2.5 times more likely to die in an accident than you would be to die from Covid. So it’s a good thing that you stayed locked down during that violent hurricane, because the likelihood of being killed by flying debris was higher than dying from Covid...

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1970610)

IF this is political and it's the previous president's following that are refusing to get the vaccine, wouldn't it be nice if he made a public announcement that all of his followers do exactly what he did and get vaccinated.
He could be so effective and useful in doing this.

I am not chastising these people for their beliefs or support in him, they are fighting the system with his iron fist behind them.
But....he got the shot!!....
Follow his lead, side with him, get vaccinated.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1970565)

Ha! Haha! Hardly life-changing fear or paranoia. If that's what you need to believe, go on then.

Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1970815)

Then what do YOU think it is????? Remember---there is absolutely no medical reason to wear a mask when cycling alone, not even at the height of the pandemic, so give me a alternative reason that makes sense.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1970828)

Oops. <head hanging> I misunderstood your response on the first read. I thought you were referencing the "anti-vaxxers", didn't understand that you were dissing the "pro-maskers". I was wrong, I take it back, and I apologize. Please forgive.