Ahhh you are looking for a study, instead of being in the real world of working in hospitals. You also seem to think it’s only at the facility I am affiliated with. My affiliation is 9 hospitals. The parent company is over 300, not counting off site, outpatient facilities.

As of 2/11, it was the employees choice to be vaccinated. Their reasons are personal, younger staff have different reasoning, than older staff. Plus those who live an organic life, and don’t use any big pharm. When you work since March, actually know you are exposed everyday, not guessing, it’s a different perspective. One is exposed every day in medical facilities, to something, it’s just one more thing on the list

four of us went together for the second dose. all four had a reaction. two had extreme exhaustion, two had aches and chills. nothing lasted more that 12-18 hours. we'd do it again if needed. No reaction whatsoever to the first dose. we're all so very glad and grateful to be fully vaccinated

So are the ones who refuse to take the vaccine willing to accept that those who have taken it will be exempt from being forced to ware masks?

The Long term effects of breathing is Death.

The airlines & cruise lines have been discussing a vaccination card or proof requirement before boarding.

Dr. Fauci Says a Mandated Vaccine for Travel '''Is on the Table''' in New Interview | Travel + Leisure

But the town squares & bars will be exempt:popcorn:

3 pages of "expert" key board warriors, stating or defending their "expert" opinion. Does anyone really think they are going to sway someone with their "expert" opinion? Why not get a hobby that helps folks, like volunteering at a hospital, animal shelter, etc, etc. There you can actually do some good. Beating on your keyboard on here for topics like this accomplishes nothing, why waste your time?

Bottom line is most retired seniors like to travel and
WITHOUT the vaccine you won’t be allowed on planes, cruise ships etc. you also won’t be allowed in a lot of other countries

Pure speculation at the moment. Hopefully, more rational thinking will prevail and this will NOT come to pass. Need to get through the worldwide vaccination process before this will be an issue.

Very detailed explanation to most of the concerns I have. Going for my 2nd Moderna vaccine on Friday. Great video.

Registered Nurse here and I agree. I know many people in the medical field getting the vaccine and I am one of them! I also got small pox vaccine, polio vaccine, flu shot every year, etc. etc. As I understand it, no steps in testing were skipped, but done simultaneously which usually is not the case.

My BFF is an RN, she got the vaccine as soon as she could. I think people should listen to experts, like Fauci, instead of some random person who claims to be an RN.

Absolutely, I have heard of adverse effects of drugs. Thalidomide comes to mind from years ago and more recently, Vioxx was taken off the market. It is always a risk taking any type of drug. The benefit must outweigh the risk. We are all adults and can make up our own minds as to how much risk we are willing to take vs the benefit.

This is how I see it......I'm not willing to risk having a bad outcome from Covid, including death. I look forward to the day I can finally be free of these damn masks and feel safe out and about in the community maskless. The vaccine gives me that freedom and the feeling of being safe very soon. One of these days, I believe we will all be free to go out and about maskless. Folks who are vaccinated will have a higher level of safety, IMHO, and I embrace those odds.

To me, that sounds like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. My goodness, even if you were to be given a guarantee that these mRNA vaccines are perfectly safe and as effective as the efficacy has been reported from the trials, you STILL would not take the vaccine just to prove it is your right to refuse it? Is that what you are saying?

this is true. several of my heathcare team are NOT getting it, including my dr., or so he says. he also doesn't 'push' the flu shot for me either.

I do agree with everything you said in this post. However, I would like to comment on your wording of "bad reactions". I'm just wondering what some folks are considering "bad reactions". Are the body aches, fever, severe headaches, and muscle pain considered "bad reactions"? Not to me. I embraced my kick ass response to that second vaccination shot. My reaction was a signal to me that my immune system is functioning at a high level for the old body I have and I was so thankful to that reaction.

Now you sound like that quack, Scott Atlas. It has already been determined that there would be too many deaths if herd immunity is reached naturally. Survival of the fittest would wipe out too much of our population. I can not believe anyone in their right mind would advocate such a thing.

You had every right NOT to click on this thread and read it. It's not like it was a secret what this thread is about. I made very clear in the title what the discussion would be. Intelligent discussion should never be quelled so the MYOB suggestion is laughable.

Read about how these mRNA vaccines actually work. Please do not offer misinformation. Here you go. Read all about it......

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

What I said but without all the stats. Very good. Thank you. I''l say it again......Scott Atlas is a quack!!!

Agree. But......each person must make their own risk assessment and decide if the benefit outweighs the risk.

You would think once someone received both of their shots that they would lose their obsession with this topic.

You have every right to NOT click on any thread you do not want read. It is your choice.

As for your claim that there are "experts" on this forum......no one on this forum has claimed to be an expert about vaccines or this virus. That is just your and other's rhetoric. I can see that very clearly.

There are those who do divulge that they are health care professionals but even then, health care professionals are not experts unless they are epidemiologists, are infectious disease physicians or actually work with the development of these vaccines.

I consider myself passionate, not obsessed.

I liked your first answer before the edit better.. :icon_wink:

I guess (as of 2/11...) those facilities have no problem having employees choose to maintain a 95% higher risk infecting the most vulurable in their care.

Thanks for sharing this about vaccine side efects.

You may put down youtube as a source for medical information but you should understand that youtube is only a forum where medical professionals and others state their opinion. I've seen several stories explaining why the temporary side effects are an indication that the vaccine is working.

As far as nurses who are speaking out here, I know many nurses, doctors and others int he medical profession that have been vaccinated. In fact they were the first to get it.

Makes one wonder IF a person is truly a medical professional, how do they use the term "face diaper?" I also find it interesting when folks say they are "professionals" at something, and then deny new technology. This technology has been in studies for over ten years. Not enough "thorough testing?" It passed enough testing to get released by the FDA for consumption.
I have not heard of ONE physician that has told his patients NOT to get the vaccination. Of course, I have not interviewed ALL the doctors in the U.S. but I would find it alarming if their nurses are telling their patients not to get the vaccination. I told my doctor that I have not had the flu shot for sixty years and he still said he recommended it. Even though I have never had the flu, he still suggested that I get it, in my "old" age. He did NOT insist I get it, but recommended it.
I would think that with very minute amount of side issues associated with this vaccine, that a nurse would consider it safer than all the other vaccinations that have caused illness and even deaths in this country. But, I guess 300,000 deaths attributed to COVID in this country, does not warrant the emergency use of a "NEW" vaccination.

Vaccine decisions
 

I respect everyone's right to decide if they want to get this vaccine or not. I'm somewhat entertained by those who appear to want to campaign for the right thing to do and provide suppport for their decision either way. I'm thankful that I still have the freedom to make my own decisions. I also believe that I am resonsible for my own actions. As for me, I will be getting shot#2 this week at my family doctor's office. I pray that your family remains healthy whichever decisions you make about your health.

Whether or not you are getting the vaccination is not the issue or even pertinent to the subject. The OP shared a link that explained the side effects of getting the shot. It did not argue getting the shot or not. So, if you are too scared to get the shot, then why are you insisting that everyone else know it? Is it that you wish company in your misery, fear, hysteria?

The other side of the story
 

The other side of the story: Error Facebook

Oh, you saw that, huh? You are quick! ROTFLMAO!

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you...its really not a free American making a free choice...that statement is as irresponsible as a person with AIDS having unprotected sex and not informing the partner. Please people, use your brains.....it really not "all about you"

This happens so much in this day and age, yet folks flock to be brainwashed.

Chances are super great that what you get on Facebook, or other sites, is going to be a lie, or simply misinformation.

Use Facebook to talk to family but NOTHING ELSE.

Then again there are weak minded and those who are searching to feed their confirmation bias, who suck this up and know nothing as a result of all that work.

There are actually those who either believe what they read on here, or allow it to weigh heavily on their decision.

Does not seem fair to mislead on something this important.

The video is just a long way of saying that experiencing side effects from the vaccine indicates that it's working. What they don't answer is if you DON'T experience any side effects from the vaccine (as in my case), does that mean it's NOT working?

Taking the shots is not just a matter of "INDIVIDUAL" choice because it affects American society in particular and LIKELY the whole human race. Sounds too overblown, does it? Maybe like an "end of the world" scenario or a "B" movie? Not so! here is the logic behind my 1st statement - if there are around 30% of the people that refuse the vaccines, like the number in yesterday's thread on the subject, then the US and later the whole world do NOT achieve herd immunity - we have a problem! Houston !!!! WE need herd immunity to drop the CV new cases to near ZERO - then we can use contact tracing to finish off the Virus.

If we don't get BUY-IN from the anti-vaxxers by this summer or fall, then we will ALL be stuck with CV for years. And the VIRUS is not going to stay constant - it has shown already the capability to mutate toward INCREASED transmissibility and deadliness! Getting the vaccine or not is MORE than a casual, individual choice. It involves the possibility of systemic social destruction - basically, a nightmare situation! I am NOT guaranteeing or predicting this nightmare. I am just saying that it is a possibility - the odds of which can not be quantifiable.

Some other things are also going on now. We have both large TV personalities and DARK, obscure small TV networks like OAN that emphasize the side effects of the vaccines and de-emphasize the benefits. Parler gives out propaganda to sway the opinions of the anti-vaxxers. And Russian propaganda bots start the propaganda rolling. We need to be aware of the total downside of anti-vaxxer choice. There is MORE going on here than just American patriotism and preference for unlimited choice. We do not live on the frontier any longer.

I wonder if it is just in the Florida area where you work where people in the medical field are refusing the vaccine. Here in MI, they were vaccinating 1,200 per day at The University of Michigan Medical and the couple of nurses I spoke with during a visit could not wait to get the vaccine and protect themselves and see their family.

Every article I have read about side effects or lack of side effects all say that you are still protected even if you have no side effects after the second shot. This is just an example......

I Got the COVID-19 Vaccine – Now What?

That so-called "face diaper" is pretty popular in Australia where both CV and the common Flu have been dramatically reduced - especially compared to the US. Surgeons wear "face diapers" in surgery.

Both vaccines and modern cars have improved and their reliability is high!