That would be fine - but we don't live on the frontier any longer. John Wayne is long gone.

This is a comment I originally did not respond to but decided I will respond now. I believe this response is directed at the video I posted in my original post on this thread.....

Originally Posted by GRACEALLEMAN
"This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died."

When you say, "very, very ill", exactly what symptoms did these people have? Were they common side effects of the vaccine such as fever, chills, body aches, muscle aches, severe headache and any of the other well documented side effects and reactions to the mRNA vaccines?

What happened to the person who "almost died"? Was that a reaction to the vaccine or did that severe side effect occur from something unrelated to the vaccine? Did that person who "almost died" report it to the proper authorities so they could investigate the cause of such a severe reaction that almost caused death?

I have the time and enjoy putting my thoughts into words and print. That is the purpose of ANY forum.

Survival rate is not > 99%
 

Sorry, but I must challenge that assertion that I have seen several times. Without doing a complete statistical analysis, just a simple calculation should suffice:
from the front page of the Daily Sun, 29179 deaths in FL/1821937 x 100 = 1.6%.
Moreover, given that deaths lag infections, the death rate is probably closer to 2%. For the age group of most of the people in The Villages, the death rate is multiple times that. So please don't throw statistics around if you don't understand how they work.

Agreed !

The number you are using as the denominator, 1821937, is the reported number of COVID cases in Florida.

Almost all deaths are reported though they are somewhat delayed. However the CDC says that only about 1 in 5 infections are reported ( Estimated Disease Burden of COVID-19 | CDC ). So 1821937 x 4.6 is a better estimate of the number of actual cases in Florida.

And along with that a better estimate of the fatality rate in Florida is:

100 x 29179 / (1821937 x 4.6 )

Which works out to about 0.4%, or 99.6% survival rate.

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

No, not worth the risk to a pregnancy. So......be vaccinated when not pregnant. Any woman of child bearing age should have a pregnancy test before vaccination. Just my opinion, of course but it makes sense to me.

mRNA is not a protein. The active ingredient in the vaccine is not a protein. But please, do tell the story of how the protein in the vaccine (that's not there) is somehow the exact same protein that placentas are created from (and that's assuming placentas consist of just one protein, which is false).

BTW, if you're 65+ years old, and you're main concern is how the vaccine might affect the placenta in case of pregnancy, call me reckless, but I'm going to say go ahead and get that vaccine.

Well thank Goodness I don’t live in Michigan where they have been locked down without evidence that it works, I have seen my family daily here in Florida so it’s a non issue...

Keep in mind those who refuse the vaccine effectively have a 95% higher risk of transmitting disease.

True, BUT only if they have been exposed to the virus. The chances of being around someone that is infected is? And then the chances of you carrying the virus after being exposed to it is? Most of us have not been around anyone that had the virus in the past year. Of course, it is what it is. Those of us with the vaccination can feel confident that we will survive the pandemic, whereas those that refuse the vaccination will have to constantly be on the defensive about how they live a limited lifestyle. They will undoubtedly be alarmed if someone coughs around them or seems a bit feverish. Not a fun way to live.

Only healthy people were recruited for CV-19 vaccine trials? Animal testing was halted because the animals were dying? Also, pharmaceutical companies are given immunity from any possible adverse side effects including death? I think I'll wait awhile longer.

Depending on Google or You Tube for medical information?
 

I agree that people should get their medical questions answered by Doctors, Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants and not the internet or You Tube. Medical providers go to college& med school for years, we spend time, years, training in hospitals, clinics & with Private physicians to learn all we can about providing medical care for our patients. When people believe their “internet education” over what we qualified providers know & have experience dealing with is an insult. There is so much misinformation out there. Talk with a qualified medical professional and get the true facts.

However, if the person or people someone is around had asymptomatic Covid, then those unvaccinated folks can and do get exposed. People think because they have not had symptoms of illness that they are fine is a fallacy. I personally have chosen to get the vaccine to reduce my risk of getting ill. But it is not a guarantee due to
the variants out there. Being cautious is still recommended.

Sounds more like a Religious call. I am a "free American making a personal choice" and I am getting the shots to protect my spouse. Even though I am a Free American, I had little choice in this matter. The protection of my spouse is more important than posturing on principle. It really IS your choice, but saying one is a "free American" and that is your choice, is redundant. WE are all "free Americans" and we are using scientific evidence and stats to justify giving a minute amount of trust to the gov. Remember, we ARE the government technically. Your statement that our immune system will fight the virus is correct to a certain extent. Younger folks have an immunity system that can cope with the dangerous virus, but as you get older, not so much. I consider myself in good condition when it comes to immunity. I don't catch the flu and I don't get the flu shot. However, right now I do not consider the flu to be life threatening to my spouse. Dangerous, maybe. The virus on the other hand, would likely be deadly to my spouse. I am using my common sense and science to make the decision to get my COVID shots to protect the ones I care for. I doubt it would kill me, but it might kill them. I would have a hard time explaining to my kids how my "freedom" was more important than their mother. I may not like the idea of having a foreign substance injected into my body, but I am reasoning that even with the odds of me ever catching the virus is on my side, this shot will hedge my bet even more.
Your choice. I am just giving my reasoning for why I am getting the shot. No one is forcing you to get the shot. That is your "freedom." Our government is not insisting anyone get the shot. They are OFFERING the shot to you. I don't blame you for being hesitant of gov. motivations. On the other hand, are you hesitant when it comes to taking their COVID relief checks? Do you also refuse those, base on your "free American" ideology?

My comment was directed at medical workers refusing the vaccine adding risk to their patients.

BUT.......the scientists are still not sure if vaccinated people can still transmit the virus. This is the reason vaccinated people are told to continue to wear masks and social distance.

You do that. Hope you stay well.

Unless you feel the people in the video in the OP lied about their credentials, why not listen to what they have to say?

I apologize for misquoting....mRNA "blocks" the protein that helps formation of human placenta.....

I only know one person that died from taking the vaccine. I don't know anyone that died from the virus.

So sorry to hear that. I haven't read about any reported deaths directly attributed to the vaccine. Is this news that is being kept from the public?

Ditto!
BTW, as of today, 2/17, is the Groveland vaccine site still giving second injections to first come, first serve patients?

It was sad but now they are trying to say he wasn't healthy. Go tell.

It seems every death after a person was vaccinated that I have read about has had reports that the vaccine was not directly related to the death or that the people who died were very old and frail. What to believe???