Taking the shots is not just a matter of "INDIVIDUAL" choice because it affects American society in particular and LIKELY the whole human race. Sounds too overblown, does it? Maybe like an "end of the world" scenario or a "B" movie? Not so! here is the logic behind my 1st statement - if there are around 30% of the people that refuse the vaccines, like the number in yesterday's thread on the subject, then the US and later the whole world do NOT achieve herd immunity - we have a problem! Houston !!!! WE need herd immunity to drop the CV new cases to near ZERO - then we can use contact tracing to finish off the Virus.

If we don't get BUY-IN from the anti-vaxxers by this summer or fall, then we will ALL be stuck with CV for years. And the VIRUS is not going to stay constant - it has shown already the capability to mutate toward INCREASED transmissibility and deadliness! Getting the vaccine or not is MORE than a casual, individual choice. It involves the possibility of systemic social destruction - basically, a nightmare situation! I am NOT guaranteeing or predicting this nightmare. I am just saying that it is a possibility - the odds of which can not be quantifiable.

Some other things are also going on now. We have both large TV personalities and DARK, obscure small TV networks like OAN that emphasize the side effects of the vaccines and de-emphasize the benefits. Parler gives out propaganda to sway the opinions of the anti-vaxxers. And Russian propaganda bots start the propaganda rolling. We need to be aware of the total downside of anti-vaxxer choice. There is MORE going on here than just American patriotism and preference for unlimited choice. We do not live on the frontier any longer.

I wonder if it is just in the Florida area where you work where people in the medical field are refusing the vaccine. Here in MI, they were vaccinating 1,200 per day at The University of Michigan Medical and the couple of nurses I spoke with during a visit could not wait to get the vaccine and protect themselves and see their family.

Every article I have read about side effects or lack of side effects all say that you are still protected even if you have no side effects after the second shot. This is just an example......

I Got the COVID-19 Vaccine – Now What?

That so-called "face diaper" is pretty popular in Australia where both CV and the common Flu have been dramatically reduced - especially compared to the US. Surgeons wear "face diapers" in surgery.

Both vaccines and modern cars have improved and their reliability is high!

That would be fine - but we don't live on the frontier any longer. John Wayne is long gone.

This is a comment I originally did not respond to but decided I will respond now. I believe this response is directed at the video I posted in my original post on this thread.....

Originally Posted by GRACEALLEMAN
"This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died."

When you say, "very, very ill", exactly what symptoms did these people have? Were they common side effects of the vaccine such as fever, chills, body aches, muscle aches, severe headache and any of the other well documented side effects and reactions to the mRNA vaccines?

What happened to the person who "almost died"? Was that a reaction to the vaccine or did that severe side effect occur from something unrelated to the vaccine? Did that person who "almost died" report it to the proper authorities so they could investigate the cause of such a severe reaction that almost caused death?

I have the time and enjoy putting my thoughts into words and print. That is the purpose of ANY forum.

Survival rate is not > 99%
 

Sorry, but I must challenge that assertion that I have seen several times. Without doing a complete statistical analysis, just a simple calculation should suffice:
from the front page of the Daily Sun, 29179 deaths in FL/1821937 x 100 = 1.6%.
Moreover, given that deaths lag infections, the death rate is probably closer to 2%. For the age group of most of the people in The Villages, the death rate is multiple times that. So please don't throw statistics around if you don't understand how they work.

Agreed !

The number you are using as the denominator, 1821937, is the reported number of COVID cases in Florida.

Almost all deaths are reported though they are somewhat delayed. However the CDC says that only about 1 in 5 infections are reported ( Estimated Disease Burden of COVID-19 | CDC ). So 1821937 x 4.6 is a better estimate of the number of actual cases in Florida.

And along with that a better estimate of the fatality rate in Florida is:

100 x 29179 / (1821937 x 4.6 )

Which works out to about 0.4%, or 99.6% survival rate.

All that sounds great if you did not ever research or study the information on the "other" side. By definition it is not even a "vaccine"......the same protein is also the protein that placenta's are created from...will the immune system attack that developing placenta and cause miscarriage???? worth the risk?

No, not worth the risk to a pregnancy. So......be vaccinated when not pregnant. Any woman of child bearing age should have a pregnancy test before vaccination. Just my opinion, of course but it makes sense to me.

mRNA is not a protein. The active ingredient in the vaccine is not a protein. But please, do tell the story of how the protein in the vaccine (that's not there) is somehow the exact same protein that placentas are created from (and that's assuming placentas consist of just one protein, which is false).

BTW, if you're 65+ years old, and you're main concern is how the vaccine might affect the placenta in case of pregnancy, call me reckless, but I'm going to say go ahead and get that vaccine.

Well thank Goodness I don’t live in Michigan where they have been locked down without evidence that it works, I have seen my family daily here in Florida so it’s a non issue...