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Skunky1 05-09-2020 06:45 AM
Fear does not stop death. It stops life. And worrying doesn’t take away tomorrow’s troubles.It takes away today’s peace.

Dawnsville 05-09-2020 07:01 AM
Well said ty

sallybowron 05-09-2020 07:03 AM
Coffeebean
 
[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761217]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1761038)

I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.
How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

GoodLife 05-09-2020 07:12 AM
[QUOTE=sallybowron;1761513]
Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1761217)

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:
First of all, you messed up the quote function. I didn't say what you quote, coffeebean did.

Second, you can easily get groceries safely using curbside pickup or delivery. I haven't used paper money for six weeks, just credit cards. Religious services are all over the internet and TV. Nobody is going to kill you, just stay away from people.

dewilson58 05-09-2020 07:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nancyre (Post 1761482)
66% of the new infections in NY, were folks not working and on stay at home orders. Think about it



fake news

kenoc7 05-09-2020 07:13 AM
Why are we reopening
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1760989)
At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
Think about this - Globe editorial: Dear America: You’re sick. Get well soon. Until then, stay home. Love, Canada - The Globe and Mail

nhtexasrn 05-09-2020 07:16 AM
We must open up because if we don't the economy will collapse and our country as we all know it, will no longer exist. People need to feed their children and pay their bills. People need to visit their doctor, people need elective surgeries and treatments they are not presently getting. Some small businesses are already ruined and will never come back. Look at the big picture and not just your comfortable life because it won't be comfortable for much longer if the economy doesn't get back on track. The government cannot support every American indefinitely.

flybaby40 05-09-2020 07:20 AM
Tokyo did nothing to prevent the spread and they had only 6 death's.
Something's wrong and its Fauci.

davem4616 05-09-2020 07:25 AM
every time a decision is made some people are pleased and some are not pleased with the decision

if no decision is made, everyone is unhappy

We are living in a time where it is critical that we all take personal responsibility for our own actions....those that don't believe there is a risk will venture out like everything is back to the way it was...those that choose to stay safe will act accordingly

To all the 'wild and crazy guys'....the good news for you is that Baldwin Bros. is running a 'BOGO'

Twiganne 05-09-2020 07:27 AM
That was a great article with contrast and comparison. I caught both the swine flu when I was young (9) yea old. I was begging my mom just let me die because I was so sick. My muscles hurt and the pain made me want to be dead. Yet I survived. Same with the swine flu. Survived that too.

karostay 05-09-2020 07:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twiganne (Post 1761543)
That was a great article with contrast and comparison. I caught both the swine flu when I was young (9) yea old. I was begging my mom just let me die because I was so sick. My muscles hurt and the pain made me want to be dead. Yet I survived. Same with the swine flu. Survived that too.
You had the swine flu twice ?

ficoguy 05-09-2020 07:34 AM
Well we have lost as many to CV as we have to abortion in a given year, and slightly more than traffic accident deaths

ficoguy 05-09-2020 07:37 AM
You can hide beneath he covers, but Death will find you when its your time

Scudder 05-09-2020 07:43 AM
Amen!

graciegirl 05-09-2020 07:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarguy (Post 1761475)
I thought it was a great read too, and posted it on Facebook and their fact check said Woodstock was in '69 and the awful flu was in '68 or vice versa. Anyway this article is incorrect.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-09-2020 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tblue (Post 1761019)
If we don’t open, many will die. Yes suicide and depression and mental health issues will rise, but so will deaths from things people do not think about. Elective surgery and screening processes are not being done in some states. How many disease process are being missed leading to death? I am thinking of things like cancer screening, colonoscopies, pacemaker battery changes, cardiac stents, the list could be endless. Damn if we do, Damn if we don’t
The difference is how many people you want to take with you into the grave.

You might kill yourself from depression, if you can't get out to the bocce court.

You might die of Covid-19 AND spread it to a dozen other people, if you CAN get out to the bocce court.

Though, I think the Villages residents are doing a pretty decent job of keeping the virus casualties to a minimum, I'm also glad we're maintaining the social distancing rules now that some of the activities are opening back up.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-09-2020 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by flybaby40 (Post 1761533)
Tokyo did nothing to prevent the spread and they had only 6 death's.
Something's wrong and its Fauci.
Something is wrong and it's your source of information.

Japan COVID-19 Coronavirus Tracker

Try that. You might learn something that's actually true.

ts12755 05-09-2020 07:57 AM
Every American will get the virus. We are just controlling when. We have to stop destroying lives, families, and businesses. Dont be so self centered and selfish.

graciegirl 05-09-2020 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luvs21putt (Post 1761411)
Every year tens of thousands of people die of the flu. Are you willing to shut down the world so people don’t get the flu?? If not, then your same answer should apply in this instance .

This has always been about protecting hospitals from being overwhelmed with everyone getting it at the same time because it is so contagious and worse than the flu. It is NOT about keeping everyone from getting it. Is your hospital close to being overwhelmed? Well there is your answer to why we are opening up

Here is another way to look at it. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year. Many times because people are selfish and reckless when they drive. Are you willing to change the speed limit to 10 mph so that people don’t die from the actions of selfish people?

You can’t live in a perfectly safe world. You can make your own self as safe as you can.
Right now the one thing that all experts, all people who read the statistics can agree upon is this; The highest percentage of people who die from Covid-19, most say right around 80% of the people who die of Covid-19 are over 65. And the danger goes up of their dying as they get to 80 or above.

So we are not eating lunch out or having our hair cut and know that people will do what they want.

I am telling you right now, if I know you and care about you and you go out and catch this damn bug, and you die...………………..I am not wearing my BEST dress to your memorial service next year.

oneclickplus 05-09-2020 07:57 AM
I think the untold "lie" is that just about everyone will be exposed to this virus eventually. There is an assumption that it will go away or a vaccine will become available. But, the underlying reason for all the shut downs is to "flatten the curve"; that is, not overwhelm hospitals, etc. But, as my friend Nick so eloquently put it: "they're just saying that everyone has to take their turn getting this virus". I tend to agree with that understanding. Stay home if you like but don't insist that I do the same.

Open it up and let's get this over with.

Samfl 05-09-2020 07:59 AM
You can choose to wait for the Perfect time to open up or you can slowly begin the process which is what’s happening. There will not be a perfect time. Stay home if you are concerned. We have got to start reopening this country. The Herd immunity will begin to take effect by getting out into the sunshine.

ts12755 05-09-2020 08:00 AM
Everyone will get this virus. Only 100% isolation will keep it from you.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-09-2020 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxfl1 (Post 1761481)
All those who are receiving income or financially solid and want things to stay closed should have no say in the matter. And, remember, two years ago almost a million were hospitalized and there were about 80,000 deaths (per CDC) and nothing closed, nothing in the news about it either You have trade offs to make. There are millions suffering with zero income and many sit at home fat, dumb and happy. Nope. You are free to stay home but the others must get back to work (you do realize payroll taxes fund medicare, et. al., right?)

Another thing.....are we going to close down again next year? the year after? You realize sooner or later we will be hit again with another flu epidemic, right? Next time, nothing closes. You have to trust people will take precautions to protect themselves (like we have before) and others can stay at home again fat dumb and happy if they want. Otherwise, it's goodbye USA and by that time you probably should learn to speak Chinese.
The point of closing down and having all these restrictions isn't to stop the virus. It's to slow it down, and give science and the medical community time to create a vaccine and discover safe treatments for people who come down with it.

That way even if it does return next season, we will have the tools to manage it. Not necessarily cure it, and not prevent it 100% but MINIMIZE the risk, MINIMIZE the suffering, MINIMIZE the deaths that result from it.

We have no way of doing that currently except to shut things down and keep everyone away from each other. That obviously isn't something we can do long-term. It is a temporary pause so they can come up with something better, for the next time it happens.

Waltdisney4life 05-09-2020 08:02 AM
Sell the fear baby!

ficoguy 05-09-2020 08:03 AM
Lake/Marion/Sumter: Population is 855,000, 678 cases, 33 deaths - if you discount prison cases and nursing home/assisted living facilities, that's 93 of the cases in Lake and Sumter. So, ah likes mah chances....

Tom53 05-09-2020 08:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1761588)
Right now the one thing that all experts, all people who read the statistics can agree upon is this; The highest percentage of people who die from Covid-19, most say right around 80% of the people who die of Covid-19 are over 65. And the danger goes up of their dying as they get to 80 or above.

So we are not eating lunch out or having our hair cut and know that people will do what they want.

I am telling you right now, if I know you and care about you and you go out and catch this damn bug, and you die...………………..I am not wearing my BEST dress to your memorial service next year.
After staying home this long, it probably wont fit anyway. I know my suit will be a little tight! :shocked:

wamley 05-09-2020 08:15 AM
Walked by City Fire in Sumter yesterday around 3pm and people generally were 6ft apart and moved seatc close to outside railing along the sidewalks. Some people were closer sitting table, but appeared to be husband & wives. When two couples the couple were seperated by 6ft away from the other couple. Looked pretty good to me, same at Red Sauce. It was good to see people enjoying the day with friends relatives over something to eat and a couple drinks.

GoodLife 05-09-2020 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1761588)
Right now the one thing that all experts, all people who read the statistics can agree upon is this; The highest percentage of people who die from Covid-19, most say right around 80% of the people who die of Covid-19 are over 65. And the danger goes up of their dying as they get to 80 or above.

So we are not eating lunch out or having our hair cut and know that people will do what they want.

I am telling you right now, if I know you and care about you and you go out and catch this damn bug, and you die...………………..I am not wearing my BEST dress to your memorial service next year.
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020 Updated May 8

55 to 64 Covid 19 4.688 deaths Pneumonia 7.820 deaths
75 to 84 Covid 19 10,196 deaths Pneumonia 17,804 deaths
85 & up Covid 19 11,458 deaths Pneumonia 20,904 deaths

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19):

Will you wear your best dress if he catches pneumonia?

Altavia 05-09-2020 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wamley (Post 1761620)
Walked by City Fire in Sumter yesterday around 3pm and people generally were 6ft apart and moved seatc close to outside railing along the sidewalks. Some people were closer sitting table, but appeared to be husband & wives. When two couples the couple were seperated by 6ft away from the other couple. Looked pretty good to me, same at Red Sauce. It was good to see people enjoying the day with friends relatives over something to eat and a couple drinks.
Observed the same later in the evening, had a wonderful dinner al fresco at Chophouse. Took a walk after and people were respectful to keep their distance. A small group was dancing in unison individually and properly separated at the square.

Overall a reasonable compromise for the paradoxes around this virus from hell.

Michael22 05-09-2020 08:43 AM
Your flu stats are for one year, your covid 19 stats are for how many weeks, not one year?

GoodLife 05-09-2020 08:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael22 (Post 1761657)
Your flu stats are for one year, your covid 19 stats are for how many weeks, not one year?
Not my stats, they are from NCHS and CDC

Title of Table 1:

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020 Updated May 8

These are provisional stats, numbers for each will go up as death certificates are turned in.

Indydealmaker 05-09-2020 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1760989)
At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
If we don't open, we will be a third world country and those deaths will be just the beginning.

Michael Charles 05-09-2020 09:04 AM
[B]
Quote:
Originally Posted by sallybowron (Post 1761513)

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:
First of all I'm sorry that you are going through chemotherapy, my wife is also and we are scared to go anywhere because of her very weakened immune system. That said, why the heck would you go into a recreation center and sit in the pavilion if you are "IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO"? Really? So, you needed your sustenance and you thought going into a recreation center and sitting there would give you that sustenance? I hope you recover without any complications from your chemotherapy.

GoodLife 05-09-2020 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1760989)
At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
More than 50% of all deaths are from 4 states. More than 50% of US counties have zero deaths from Covid 19.

• U.S. COVID-19 deaths by state | Statista

fdpaq0580 05-09-2020 09:09 AM
Right on!
 
[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761217]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1761038)

I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.
Absolutely agree you.

ffresh 05-09-2020 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1760989)
At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
you don't have to play - STAY INDOORS and leave others to their own devices

In addition, seems like you're taking life too serious … it isn't permanent :icon_wink:


Fred

ficoguy 05-09-2020 09:24 AM
Do what you got to do

ficoguy 05-09-2020 09:25 AM
in NY 66% of people contracted CV while at home. Shocking.....

Don Ferguson 05-09-2020 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1761521)
fake news
Better tell Cuomo. He spent 15 minutes about it and the study involved 1000 recent hospital admissions in NY. Not only were 66% "sheltering in place", but 90% of that group had not even used public transportation or shopped for their own food!

ffresh 05-09-2020 09:30 AM
[QUOTE=graciegirl;1761032]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1761030)

Because we have had no deaths in half the counties does not mean they aren't still vulnerable. I hear and agree that our economy will suffer terribly. Sometimes there are NO solutions to problems. THAT is what is scary.
Sorry, but there are solutions to ALL problems, albeit some are far from perfect; some are very close to that measure.

Fred


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