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Bonanza 02-26-2014 11:38 PM

Pets Don't Belong in Certain Places!
 
I attended the craft show in LSL this past weekend on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday it was mobbed and there were areas where you could barely walk because it was so crowded. On Sunday, it was not as bad.

If there was one thing that was a negative and in my mind, a big negative, it's the people that bring their dog to an event such as this. Dogs have no place being taken to a public event! It is too crowded, usually too hot, and inconsiderate to the public at large and the pet. I almost stepped on two little guys because I did not see them.

What is wrong with these owners other than the fact that they are selfish and think everyone wants to see their dog. No, we don't want to see your dog at any public event!!!

Owners: Take your dog to a dog park; take your dog for a neighborhood walk; take your dog and window shop on a normal day. But DON'T bring your dog when a special event is going on!

I am a pet lover and pet owner so I don't need to be crucified for my comment. I just consider myself a responsible owner.

janieb 02-27-2014 02:36 AM

I am a pet owner too and had the same thoughts as you, I think it is unfair to the pets. I had the same complaint at the uptown art fair in Minneapolis and the Ann Arbor art fair.

theorem painter 02-27-2014 03:55 AM

I am an artist who exhibits at art fairs in the northeast during the summer. Every weekend I see these poor dogs walking on the hot pavement. Some times I even put a bowl of water at the front of my booth because the stupid dog owners never think that their dogs might be as thirsty as they are.

Down Sized 02-27-2014 03:55 AM

Most pet owners won't think this applies to them. What are they THINK'N? Not.:22yikes:

Parker 02-27-2014 05:28 AM

I actually like seeing the dogs out and about, and I do think the pets like being out with their owners, seeing and smelling new things. However, I do agree that some pet owners, not all, do not have good judgement on the comfort of their pets or the general public. I doubt there is a fix for this. Clueless people are, well, clueless.

PaPaLarry 02-27-2014 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 836125)
I actually like seeing the dogs out and about, and I do think the pets like being out with their owners, seeing and smelling new things. However, I do agree that some pet owners, not all, do not have good judgement on the comfort of their pets or the general public. I doubt there is a fix for this. Clueless people are, well, clueless.

From what I can see here, "The Fix" is to leave your dog at home!!!! Especially when it is as crowded as people are explaining in this post. I too own a dog, but don't bring her to these type of situations. Also, it shortens your visit, because of the dog being tired and thirsty. Maybe we should ask the "Dog Whisperer"??? After all, we do love our doggies. (:

Taltarzac725 02-27-2014 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PaPaLarry (Post 836140)
From what I can see here, "The Fix" is to leave your dog at home!!!! Especially when it is as crowded as people are explaining in this post. I too own a dog, but don't bring her to these type of situations. Also, it shortens your visit, because of the dog being tired and thirsty. Maybe we should ask the "Dog Whisperer"??? After all, we do love our doggies. (:

I agree. You do need to use some empathy with what your pooch is experiencing. I hate it when I see a dog having to walk on hot pavement or one who looks like it really needs water.

I did take my dog one year to see the Budweiser Clydesdales at Lake Sumter Landing Square and he hated it. Clydesdales Hitch Event Schedule | Budweiser All the loud noises scared him. You can usually tell what a dog is feeling from how she moves her tail and ears. Mine's tail was between his legs and his ears were sometimes down.

The dog park at times has even had too many dogs for comfort especially when you have your dog around a lot of others that are unfamiliar.

salpal 02-27-2014 07:10 AM

I agree
 
I have two small dogs and would never think to bring them to the square. It is not fair to the dogs. It's crowded and scary when you weigh about 10 lbs and everyone is a giant around you. The cement and blacktop is too hot.

I don't want a bunch of people touching them, who knows if they have the flu or whatever. I see poor little dogs almost being stepped upon while their unconscious owners wander about. At the craft show, saw a woman pushing a baby carriage with a dog in it...really?????

I think all pets (except service dogs) should be banned from the squares. Leave your pets at home.

Wing-nut2 02-27-2014 07:14 AM

No one love your children or your pets the way you do.

Taltarzac725 02-27-2014 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by salpal (Post 836146)
I have two small dogs and would never think to bring them to the square. It is not fair to the dogs. It's crowded and scary when you weigh about 10 lbs and everyone is a giant around you. The cement and blacktop is too hot.

I don't want a bunch of people touching them, who knows if they have the flu or whatever. I see poor little dogs almost being stepped upon while their unconscious owners wander about. At the craft show, saw a woman pushing a baby carriage with a dog in it...really?????

I think all pets (except service dogs) should be banned from the squares. Leave your pets at home.

My dog does like the Squares at certain times. It is often very quiet on the Square and you see a lot of dogs who seem to really enjoy being there.

keithwand 02-27-2014 09:07 AM

We have 2 dogs and agree. Why bring your pets?
Leave them home for safety sake.

asianthree 02-27-2014 09:31 AM

i agree someone could hurt the pet in crowds,,but getting those who bring their pets anyway,:doggie: either don't have a clue or never think about what could happen to them

BarryRX 02-27-2014 09:35 AM

The art fair at LSL was so crowded that it was very difficult to walk through. People were shoulder to shoulder and were shuffling a few steps at a time to make headway. It was way too crowded to be walking through with dogs on a leash.

LI SNOWBIRD 02-27-2014 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by salpal (Post 836146)
I have two small dogs and would never think to bring them to the square. It is not fair to the dogs. It's crowded and scary when you weigh about 10 lbs and everyone is a giant around you. The cement and blacktop is too hot.

I don't want a bunch of people touching them, who knows if they have the flu or whatever. I see poor little dogs almost being stepped upon while their unconscious owners wander about. At the craft show, saw a woman pushing a baby carriage with a dog in it...really?????

I think all pets (except service dogs) should be banned from the squares. Leave your pets at home.

Here, here
Well said --I agree:BigApplause:

peggyb 02-27-2014 09:49 AM

Thank you for saying what I was afraid to because of the back lashing I would receive. I love pets, but sometimes I think they should just be left at home. I really just think the owners enjoy all of the attention they receive when someone ooohs and ahhhs at their pets and doesn't think of the pets themselves, or what could happen if the pet acts on being afraid. A dog at the craft show was barking and carrying on so bad I was afraid it was going to bite someone.

Bonnevie 02-27-2014 10:33 AM

I love dogs, too, but had the same thoughts last Saturday. It was so crowded..it was a horrible place to bring one's dogs. I don't mind dogs in the squares on normal days if they are well behaved, but they should not be brought to functions.

kittygilchrist 02-27-2014 10:39 AM

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ROCKETMAN 02-27-2014 10:50 AM

Tuesday night a lady had her dog on a leach dancing with the people when n tunes were playing at sumter. It was crowded and people had to watch so not to run into the dog. My opinion is people bring them to large crowded places just to have people stop them and say oh what a cute dog you have.

Bonny 02-27-2014 11:00 AM

I have had dogs and cats all of my life. It breaks my heart seeing these little guys at the square, hot pavement, panting, people almost stepping on them !! I see some dogs so scared in the big crowds. Please people, leave your little guys at home in the air conditioning where they can relax.
A woman used to bring her dog to Codys at the outside bar. The dog would be eating peanut shells and then she would tell them to lay down. The floor is filthy outside and full of peanut shells. It gets so crowded out there the dog couldn't even move. Thank goodness they have to stay on the outside now.

Abster 02-27-2014 11:11 AM

I agree the exhibits are over crowded. I would imagine some pet owners work and only have time for their pets on the weekend. Therefore they bring them along. I also see many vendors with their own pets. I sometimes even bring my own and put it on my husband's lap as he is in a wheelchair. I think it's fine for people to bring their dogs to the square. I enjoy seeing them and love their owner's enthusiasm. There are much bigger issues around.

PaPaLarry 02-28-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 836309)
I have had dogs and cats all of my life. It breaks my heart seeing these little guys at the square, hot pavement, panting, people almost stepping on them !! I see some dogs so scared in the big crowds. Please people, leave your little guys at home in the air conditioning where they can relax.
A woman used to bring her dog to Codys at the outside bar. The dog would be eating peanut shells and then she would tell them to lay down. The floor is filthy outside and full of peanut shells. It gets so crowded out there the dog couldn't even move. Thank goodness they have to stay on the outside now.

You got that right Bonnie!!!! We do our walk in morning, and walk by the outside of Cote's, and yes the floor is dirty. Not just peanut shells, but bird poop too! Yuk

NotGolfer 02-28-2014 02:06 PM

I'm going to jump in and add the Farmer's Market to this as well. I've nearly tripped over dogs or their leashes when not expecting that in my path. I've seen the owners stopped and chatting with friends while "poochie" is pulling (this is with the retractable leashes) the other way. I'm NOT a pet-hater! Loved my pets when we had them, love my friend's pets too (now) but think there's a time and place to take them out.

Bonanza 02-28-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Abster (Post 836329)
I agree the exhibits are over crowded. I would imagine some pet owners work and only have time for their pets on the weekend. Therefore they bring them along. I also see many vendors with their own pets. I sometimes even bring my own and put it on my husband's lap as he is in a wheelchair. I think it's fine for people to bring their dogs to the square. I enjoy seeing them and love their owner's enthusiasm. There are much bigger issues around.

All the opinions expressed here have nothing to do with much bigger issues.

No, most of these pet owners do not work, and even if they did, there are much better options for spending quality time with your dog. Vendors who bring their dog are in a booth and not walking among the crowds.

As a die-hard pet lover and owner, it is 100% wrong to bring a pet to these large functions. It is cruel and selfish. Most of the pets are confused and scared.

Bringing your dog to the Square is completely different to taking your dog to one of these large, CROWDED functions. It is wrong and irresponsible!

justjim 02-28-2014 03:44 PM

Common sense
 
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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 837139)
All the opinions expressed here have nothing to do with much bigger issues.

No, most of these pet owners do not work, and even if they did, there are much better options for spending quality time with your dog. Vendors who bring their dog are in a booth and not walking among the crowds.

As a die-hard pet lover and owner, it is 100% wrong to bring a pet to these large functions. It is cruel and selfish. Most of the pets are confused and scared.

Bringing your dog to the Square is completely different to taking your dog to one of these large, CROWDED functions. It is wrong and irresponsible!

OP, good post. Unfortunately, when it comes to their pets some dont use any common sense. "It's my dog and it's legal for them to be there and I'll do as I please".

No real thought about the "well being" of their dog and certainly could care less about other people's comfort zone.

KathieI 02-28-2014 03:57 PM

A slightly different perspective?
 
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  • I have 2 schnauzers, a male and a female
  • They are the 2 happiest dogs I have ever owned
  • The are inseparable - totally. They both need to go to the groomer at the same time, to the vet at the same time, I cannot leave one home without the other.
  • they play ALLLLLLL day long!!!!!
If I were to take them to the square or any event, they would be jumping around and playing with each other constantly and get in everyone's way, especially me. I love them so much, I could never leave one home and take the other, it would be unfair and I love them too much.


Therefore, they both stay home and have fun playing!!! Works for me!!!

The one on the left is Sam, and on the right, the terror Maggie Mae..


Abster 02-28-2014 05:20 PM

These are all personal opinions and of course, we're all entitled to do what we please. I have no problem with others bringing their dogs to the square and I will continue to bring mine when I so choose. I've never been accused of being an irresponsible pet owner and am also very much involved with my local SPCA. The dogs wouldn't be such an issue if more thought were put in to limiting the number of vendors. The square was far too crowded to fully enjoy the event - dogs or no dogs.

Bonanza 02-28-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Abster (Post 837203)
These are all personal opinions and of course, we're all entitled to do what we please. I have no problem with others bringing their dogs to the square and I will continue to bring mine when I so choose. I've never been accused of being an irresponsible pet owner and am also very much involved with my local SPCA. The dogs wouldn't be such an issue if more thought were put in to limiting the number of vendors. The square was far too crowded to fully enjoy the event - dogs or no dogs.

It's nice that you are active in the SPCA but that has no meaning insofar as taking dogs to these large Village Square functions.

There is no reason to limit the number of vendors who participate in these events.
Furthermore, they all pay over $200 for their space and if less attended, there wouldn't be any event at all.
If that was the case, vendors wouldn't participate and the residents and others wouldn't attend.

If you would read all the comments from others, practically all of whom ARE dog lovers,
you will see that 99% agree that these large functions are for people,
not dogs -- that they should be left at home. Period!

Isn't that a wake-up call for you???

KathieI 02-28-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 837218)
It's nice that you are active in the SPCA but that has no meaning insofar as taking dogs to these large Village Square functions.

There is no reason to limit the number of vendors who participate in these events.
Furthermore, they all pay over $200 for their space and if less attended, there wouldn't be any event at all.
If that was the case, vendors wouldn't participate and the residents and others wouldn't attend.

If you would read all the comments from others, practically all of whom ARE dog lovers,
you will see that 99% agree that these large functions are for people,
not dogs -- that they should be left at home. Period!

Isn't that a wake-up call for you???

Well, like it or not,,, Abster is entitled to his/her opinion and can do whatever he/she likes... we are all just voicing our opinions.

tippyclubb 02-28-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KathieI (Post 837153)
  • I have 2 schnauzers, a male and a female
  • They are the 2 happiest dogs I have ever owned
  • The are inseparable - totally. They both need to go to the groomer at the same time, to the vet at the same time, I cannot leave one home without the other.
  • they play ALLLLLLL day long!!!!!
If I were to take them to the square or any event, they would be jumping around and playing with each other constantly and get in everyone's way, especially me. I love them so much, I could never leave one home and take the other, it would be unfair and I love them too much.


Therefore, they both stay home and have fun playing!!! Works for me!!!

The one on the left is Sam, and on the right, the terror Maggie Mae..


Sam & Maggie are so cute! One of my customers has a Schnauzer and I fell in love with her. When we get to TV we plan on getting 2 Schnauzers and they will not be going to the squares or any other crowded place. When we had dogs we use to try and take them places but they were nervous around a lot of people so we started leaving them home. It was best for them.

schroeder3 02-28-2014 07:08 PM

I would love a ban on all dogs for any of these large busy events!

KathieI 02-28-2014 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tippyclubb (Post 837248)
Sam & Maggie are so cute! One of my customers has a Schnauzer and I fell in love with her. When we get to TV we plan on getting 2 Schnauzers and they will not be going to the squares or any other crowded place. When we had dogs we use to try and take them places but they were nervous around a lot of people so we started leaving them home. It was best for them.

Tippy, when you get here, you must come visit Sam & Maggie Mae in person. They are so much fun, they can be good, SOMETIMES, lol, but you will love them. Also I have a breeder of Schnauzers that I purchased Maggie from, he is local. Here is his link. He has beautiful puppies.

Miniature Schnauzer Breeders, top-quality minature schnauzers for show or companionship

pbeinetti 02-28-2014 08:29 PM

I'd rather have dogs at events than some of the arrogant, inconsiderate people in The Villages. I have never tripped over a dog, never had any kind of a problem with a dog at events. But, people who run into me, cut me off when I'm walking, etc., are the problems IMHO.

ilovetv 02-28-2014 09:47 PM

Dogs will be brought to these crowded events until one day, when two or three dogs get into an unstoppable dog fight between people's bare legs....and both people and dogs will get multiple bites, tears and puncture wounds on legs, arms and hands......and then the medical bills will be several thousand dollars for each person, and the vet bills will amount to the same.

When people are hospitalized in need of big gun antibiotics via IV and followup IVs for weeks, and they go thru unbearable pain with the puncture wounds, blackening of limbs and digits and even possibly face gangrene and amputation, then they might realize that everyone bringing their dogs everywhere in public is probably not a good idea.

And then the lawyers will make the dog owners and the event sponsors pay via lawsuits. And then, like the buffalo removed because of stupid humans treating them like stuffed animals or dolls, the dogs will be removed because there will be no more events like that. The insurers won't insure the special events and sponsors won't sponsor.

gerryann 02-28-2014 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pbeinetti (Post 837302)
I'd rather have dogs at events than some of the arrogant, inconsiderate people in The Villages. I have never tripped over a dog, never had any kind of a problem with a dog at events. But, people who run into me, cut me off when I'm walking, etc., are the problems IMHO.

Agree completely!!!!!!

gerryann 02-28-2014 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 837344)
Dogs will be brought to these crowded events until one day, when two or three dogs get into an unstoppable dog fight between people's bare legs....and both people and dogs will get multiple bites, tears and puncture wounds on legs, arms and hands......and then the medical bills will be several thousand dollars for each person, and the vet bills will amount to the same.

When people are hospitalized in need of big gun antibiotics via IV and followup IVs for weeks, and they go thru unbearable pain with the puncture wounds, blackening of limbs and digits and even possibly face gangrene and amputation, then they might realize that everyone bringing their dogs everywhere in public is probably not a good idea.

And then the lawyers will make the dog owners and the event sponsors pay via lawsuits. And then, like the buffalo removed because of stupid humans treating them like stuffed animals or dolls, the dogs will be removed because there will be no more events like that. The insurers won't insure the special events and sponsors won't sponsor.

OMG.....you have missed your calling. You should write movies or at least horror novels...YIKES!!!!

gerryann 02-28-2014 10:21 PM

Went to the auto show this evening at Lake Sumter. Many, many well behaved dogs, as well as the Greyhound group with their well behaved dogs. Such fun to see all of the different breeds. No problems whatsoever... Never is. The dogs are always well behaved. No barking, no fights, no blood, no tears, no puncture wounds...just a lot of folks, quite a few pups...and all seemed to have a great time....another great night in The Villages.

ilovetv 02-28-2014 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 837359)
OMG.....you have missed your calling. You should write movies or at least horror novels...YIKES!!!!

"TAMPA - You'd like to think it would never happen to your dog. But dog attacks on humans happen more often than you think. Hundreds of times a year in Florida, the dog owners end up in court.......

Bishop and Carlo are also in a dispute over Carlo's medical bills, though no civil lawsuit has been filed. The case is one example of hundreds that go through Hillsborough County every year.

One-third of all homeowner's liability insurance claims nationwide are for dog bites, according to the Insurance Information Institute. The average cost of a dog bite claim was $29,752 in 2012.

Homeowners and renters insurance policies typically cover dog bite liability from $100,000 to $300,000. Some insurance companies charge more for owners of breeds that statistically cause more serious bite injuries.

But Morgan says more insurers in Florida are dropping their coverage.......

...In public, Morgan says owners should avoid bringing their dog into potentially dangerous situations, such as restaurants, bars, or interacting with children. That's where many dog attacks start....."

I-Team: Dog bite cases in FL cost owners millions - Story | abcactionnews.com | Tampa Bay News, Weather, Sports, Things To Do | WFTS-TV

Abster 02-28-2014 11:20 PM

Wow, Bonanza...EASY! If you read my earlier posts, my 7 pound dog is hitching a ride on my husband's lap in his wheelchair. If you folks dislike being around dogs, which are allowed, just stay home. Fortunately, this isn't my primary residence nor is it a great concern.

VT2TV 02-28-2014 11:31 PM

I am very much a animal lover, but I agree that animals should not be taken to areas where it is hot and crowded. One thing that I find just as bothersome though , is when people bring strollers to these crowded events. I have had strollers run over my feet, bump into me, and several times almost cause me to trip. I have never had an animal cause any problems for me. I have been to several craft shows that ban strollers totally, and all children under 8 years old. It is so wonderful to attend that show-to be fair, not that it should make a difference-but that show is much more crowded and is indoors. So. if we are mainly talking about problems in crowds, I have had far more problems with strollers than dogs

Bonanza 03-01-2014 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KathieI (Post 837241)
Well, like it or not,,, Abster is entitled to his/her opinion and can do whatever he/she likes... we are all just voicing our opinions.

Kathie -- you are 100% correct. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, the topic is beyond a simple opinion.

The majority of posters have agreed that these crowded events is not the place for dogs.
My original post was simply based on sound reasoning -- both for the dogs and the public at large.

My reasoning is based on logic and experience. I have had cats and dogs for over 50 years.
In years past, I worked in a kennel, for a vet and for a dog trainer.
I have shown some of my dogs in dog shows and have taken some of my dogs to obedience training.

While all dogs should be socialized outside among people and other dogs,
a mobbed event is not the place.
The only dog who should be taken everywhere is a service dog.
Those individuals who bring their dog are, very simply,
selfish and thinking about themself and not their "beloved" pet.
Trust me -- the dog doesn't want to be there among the crowd.


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