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quirky3 03-06-2014 05:02 PM

Recreational marijuana
 
Do you support the legalization of RECREATIONAL marijuana?

eweissenbach 03-06-2014 05:11 PM

I have never smoked a joint and never would, however I would support legalization.
Instead of making smugglers, street hustlers, and Central and South American cartels rich, why not have it grown and controlled by Americans as it is in Colorado?
Instead of paying for the incarceration of tens of thousands of users and sellers, and spending millions on eradication and police work why not save that tax money and add the tax money on maijuana?
I think most people who want to smoke it already do, it seems to be easily accessable.
Seems to me the quality would likely improve and the controls over it would insure better and safer product.

karostay 03-06-2014 05:22 PM

:cool:yup

Golfingnut 03-06-2014 05:24 PM

I would never use it, but would vote yes to medical use.

quirky3 03-06-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 840730)
I would never use it, but would vote yes to medical use.

This is a different survey....on recreational use.

Villages PL 03-06-2014 07:13 PM

Think about unintended consequences:
 
Has anyone thought about the possibility of unintended consequences? Do you want to live in a "Dumb And Dumber" dumbed down society? Don't we have enough of that already?

If marijuana becomes legal for recreational use, there will be many more young people using it than otherwise would have. Once it is officially sanctioned and approved, it will seem totally harmless to new generations of young people.

Has anyone figured out what the costs of that might be?

Golfingnut 03-06-2014 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quirky3 (Post 840731)
This is a different survey....on recreational use.

Oops. I'm outa here.

Villages PL 03-06-2014 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 840817)
Has anyone thought about the possibility of unintended consequences? Do you want to live in a "Dumb And Dumber" dumbed down society? Don't we have enough of that already?

If marijuana becomes legal for recreational use, there will be many more young people using it than otherwise would have. Once it is officially sanctioned and approved, it will seem totally harmless to new generations of young people.

Has anyone figured out what the costs of that might be?

Bump!

gomoho 03-06-2014 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 840817)
Has anyone thought about the possibility of unintended consequences? Do you want to live in a "Dumb And Dumber" dumbed down society? Don't we have enough of that already?

If marijuana becomes legal for recreational use, there will be many more young people using it than otherwise would have. Once it is officially sanctioned and approved, it will seem totally harmless to new generations of young people.

Has anyone figured out what the costs of that might be?

Like the 3rd graders in California that were smoking in the school bathroom with their own pipe??? I don't think most people have a clue what doors would be open with this legalization. Don't know what the answer is - don't think jail is appropriate, but don't think legalizing is either. It's a very complicated issue that is above my pay grade.

Bucco 03-06-2014 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 840871)
Like the 3rd graders in California that were smoking in the school bathroom with their own pipe??? I don't think most people have a clue what doors would be open with this legalization. Don't know what the answer is - don't think jail is appropriate, but don't think legalizing is either. It's a very complicated issue that is above my pay grade.

Not complicated to me at all....of course as everybody knows I have no clue.

HOWEVER, I sure am not fond of having folks get drugged...and they will be drugged if you read anything at all.....POSSIBLE paranoia...imagine them on the road or with a gun.....POSSIBLE gateway to heroin...nice thought as they turn 21, legally get on the fast track to more drugs.

If we are doing this as folks say to save money, and collect tax...legalize heroin and any druges...save a ton of money and as folks say it is better than them doing it in the playground.

Where are you going Beaver...oh just down to the playground to get stoned with the guys...oh, ok, bring me back some pot...been stressed...need to unwind and escape reality.

Lazy spoiled society......if it is difficult, legalize it and tax it.....then complain when all these folks cannot function or work....yes, allow the grandchildren to legally get stoned anytime they want. Light up with the family at night !

Sorry.....mabye I am the only stupid one who sees another move by a self absorped society...dont deal with it.....do not hurt feelings...let them have it.

gomoho 03-06-2014 08:42 PM

But Bucco - should some dumb young 20 something spend time in prison cause he just bought some weed to smoke and got caught with a gram over the legal limit? What does that accomplish? That is where my confusion comes in. I have personally seen the ravages of marijuana and am not happy about it being legalized, but I also don't want to see people spending a good part of the lives in jail over it either. That is my confusion. And it is not simply a matter of "just say no". Easier said then done in todays world. Just don't know what the answer is - it's not black and white in my mind.

Bucco 03-06-2014 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 840897)
But Bucco - should some dumb young 20 something spend time in prison cause he just bought some weed to smoke and got caught with a gram over the legal limit? What does that accomplish? That is where my confusion comes in. I have personally seen the ravages of marijuana and am not happy about it being legalized, but I also don't want to see people spending a good part of the lives in jail over it either. That is my confusion. And it is not simply a matter of "just say no". Easier said then done in todays world. Just don't know what the answer is - it's not black and white in my mind.

Nobody on here anyway, is discussing the penalty. Everyone seems to want to go for making it legal....of course, it is easier.

It is against the law...why would I sympathize with someone who knowlingly broke the law and in addition to making himself or herself feel good, put other folks at risk. Why should you not go to jail if you break the law ?

I suppose a discussion on penalties might be line...for example...shorter jail term but lose a lot of other privileges....I do not know the answer, but I do know...IT IS A DRUG...not approved...opposed by the American Medical Association....and almost all medical groups, including one which supposedly has medical uses...Glaucoma...the American Glaucoma Society is opposed to its use.

BUT...like folks said...it is easier.....you hear that a lot now days...it is easier....tough job....just legalize it. Because we dont want all those petitions and such to affect elections.

Topspinmo 03-06-2014 09:51 PM

Not that I would Know. IMO no worse than Alcohol:popcorn:, especially whiskey, rum, ect...:boom: Nothing like wineo's begging for 2 bucks for something to eat in liquid form:ohdear:.

I would at least restrict the age limit to 21. Surely by 21 years old now days you would have control over you life and habits. NOT! 35 is the new 21:ohdear:

DonH57 03-06-2014 10:10 PM

I certainly would think if recreational use was legalized it would be within a given set of conditions. I certainly don't recommend lighting up a fat boy and then realize the fact you need those white castle burgers in the frozen foods at Publix you wished you picked up earlier.

PennBF 03-06-2014 10:29 PM

Sad
 
It is sad so many have not done any research on the subject of marjuana and the impact it has on society. How many have visited a "sober house", "crisis center", Rehab and talked to the Professional regarding the impact of this gateway drug on society and the body? Some just look at it as "fun' and ignore the terrible effect it has on society (e.g. 20% of Users end up on the hard drug, that it has devestating impact on youth of 18 and under..too much impact to even start to describe. it impacts the stem of the brain, and many many so ons" The good news is that it give employment opportunity to the Psychologists, medical personnel, et al. :ohdear:

wendyquat 03-06-2014 11:25 PM

I think this country if finding its way to "hell in a hand basket" without legalizing dope! It's difficult enough to maneuver a vehicle safely without having to deal with potheads running the roads (and roundabouts)!������������

Barefoot 03-07-2014 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 840723)
I have never smoked a joint and never would, however I would support legalization. Instead of making smugglers, street hustlers, and Central and South American cartels rich, why not have it grown and controlled by Americans as it is in Colorado?
Instead of paying for the incarceration of tens of thousands of users and sellers, and spending millions on eradication and police work why not save that tax money and add the tax money on maijuana?
I think most people who want to smoke it already do, it seems to be easily accessable. Seems to me the quality would likely improve and the controls over it would insure better and safer product.

This is a rational post. Marijuana is easily accessible now and often sold to young kids. I'd rather see it legalized and restricted to adults.

Bucco 03-07-2014 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 840966)
This is a rational post. Marijuana is easily accessible now and often sold to young kids. I'd rather see it legalized and restricted to adults.


Would it help if we spent this effort into making it NOT SO EASY to buy a DRUG that ALTERS THE MOOD ?

Of course that would mean listening to medical and psychiatric professionals and might not be as easy. We can just build more crisis and rehab centers and finance them somehow. Increase the local cmt's. It may create jobs for CRISIS COUNSELORS !

What would be the next crime that is being committed that we push to make legal because of the difficulty of enforcing ?

A MIND ALTERING DRUG made legal it seems because we just give up and hey....does not matter the ramifications...we sure will fee good.

JourneyOfLife 03-07-2014 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 840904)
Nobody on here anyway, is discussing the penalty. Everyone seems to want to go for making it legal....of course, it is easier.

It is against the law...why would I sympathize with someone who knowlingly broke the law and in addition to making himself or herself feel good, put other folks at risk. Why should you not go to jail if you break the law ?

I suppose a discussion on penalties might be line...for example...shorter jail term but lose a lot of other privileges....I do not know the answer, but I do know...IT IS A DRUG...not approved...opposed by the American Medical Association....and almost all medical groups, including one which supposedly has medical uses...Glaucoma...the American Glaucoma Society is opposed to its use.

BUT...like folks said...it is easier.....you hear that a lot now days...it is easier....tough job....just legalize it. Because we dont want all those petitions and such to affect elections.

No, no, no......... You are on the wrong thread. You are looking for the medical poll.

Over here... it would be classified as a food or supplement.

;)

Xavier 03-07-2014 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 840893)
Not complicated to me at all....of course as everybody knows I have no clue.

HOWEVER, I sure am not fond of having folks get drugged...and they will be drugged if you read anything at all.....POSSIBLE paranoia...imagine them on the road or with a gun.....POSSIBLE gateway to heroin...nice thought as they turn 21, legally get on the fast track to more drugs.

If we are doing this as folks say to save money, and collect tax...legalize heroin and any druges...save a ton of money and as folks say it is better than them doing it in the playground.

Where are you going Beaver...oh just down to the playground to get stoned with the guys...oh, ok, bring me back some pot...been stressed...need to unwind and escape reality.

Lazy spoiled society......if it is difficult, legalize it and tax it.....then complain when all these folks cannot function or work....yes, allow the grandchildren to legally get stoned anytime they want. Light up with the family at night !

Sorry.....mabye I am the only stupid one who sees another move by a self absorped society...dont deal with it.....do not hurt feelings...let them have it.

... never mind.

Xavier

ron122049 03-07-2014 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 840723)
I have never smoked a joint and never would, however I would support legalization.
Instead of making smugglers, street hustlers, and Central and South American cartels rich, why not have it grown and controlled by Americans as it is in Colorado?
Instead of paying for the incarceration of tens of thousands of users and sellers, and spending millions on eradication and police work why not save that tax money and add the tax money on maijuana?
I think most people who want to smoke it already do, it seems to be easily accessable.
Seems to me the quality would likely improve and the controls over it would insure better and safer product.

I agree with your comments 100%. I am currently living in The Netherlands where pot is legal. You don't see the populus running around high and the crime rate is lower than my hometown in MIchigan. As a retired lawyer and prosecutor we wasted tons of time and money on cases involving small amounts of grass. Just raised money for the courts and kept some police officers busy.

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron122049 (Post 841109)
I agree with your comments 100%. I am currently living in The Netherlands where pot is legal. You don't see the populus running around high and the crime rate is lower than my hometown in MIchigan. As a retired lawyer and prosecutor we wasted tons of time and money on cases involving small amounts of grass. Just raised money for the courts and kept some police officers busy.

Thank you for being sensible.

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 10:24 AM

Good ole boys drink bourbon, then as long as the .08 blood level is not met or exceeded, they can drive 6000 lb. trucks down the the road at 70 MPH with a loaded 44 MAG pistol concealed under their coat and it's legal. A young man smokes a joint in the parking lot of the local movie theater prior to going in is breaking the law. What is wrong with this countries thinking?

Wake up America and help change the self serving laws that are ludicrous. You can put a spin on any situation to make it match you personal interests, but be sensible.

Walking around with a loaded gun hidden on your person in public = good guy
Sitting in your living room smoking a joint = criminal

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 10:32 AM

I see a common connection between no votes for legalized marijuana, no vote for gun control, no vote for immigration reform and a no vote for minimum wage increase. Having issue with one or two, no big deal, but when someone is against all, I see a problem.

Bucco 03-07-2014 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 841122)
Good ole boys drink bourbon, then as long as the .08 blood level is not met or exceeded, they can drive 6000 lb. trucks down the the road at 70 MPH with a loaded 44 MAG pistol concealed under their coat and it's legal. A young man smokes a joint in the parking lot of the local movie theater prior to going in is breaking the law. What is wrong with this countries thinking?

Wake up America and help change the self serving laws that are ludicrous. You can put a spin on any situation to make it match you personal interests, but be sensible.

Walking around with a loaded gun hidden on your person in public = good guy
Sitting in your living room smoking a joint = criminal

I did not realize that the movement to legalize had such restrictions....can only smoke a joint in the parking lot of movies or at home. GREAT...they cannot drive under the influence, right ? They cannot have a gun with them under the influence, right ?

Oh, and the crisis's that follow......and they will according to experts....perhaps not on TOTV.....they pay for all that, right ?

And we are not speaking of CHANGING LAWS, but ABOLISHING LAWS !

Bucco 03-07-2014 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 841137)
I see a common connection between no votes for legalized marijuana, no vote for gun control, no vote for immigration reform and a no vote for minimum wage increase. Having issue with one or two, no big deal, but when someone is against all, I see a problem.

I, for one, have never ever voted on minimum wage increases, or immigration reform.....fact is...never heard of a real plan or bill about any kind of immigration reform at all.

Wondering why I didn't get a vote ????

And the problem, as you say, to me anyway, is that you see a PROBLEM with everybody not jumping on board and agreeing with you on things never discussed....THAT is a problem.

Once there is legitimate immigration reform to discuss, or a real minimum wage package to discuss....but until then I am not sure how you arrived at your conclusions or actually where you voted !

billethkid 03-07-2014 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 841122)
You can put a spin on any situation to make it match you personal interests,

pretty accurate, normal position of all participants in one form or another on any subject in any audience of any particular flavor!

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 11:39 AM

And the spin continues. I do sincerely ask all to get your information from people that know. How many people with a criminal record is enough. Legalize marijuana and you put the dealers out of business and I can only imagine the savings from the judicial system.

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 841158)
I, for one, have never ever voted on minimum wage increases, or immigration reform.....fact is...never heard of a real plan or bill about any kind of immigration reform at all.

Wondering why I didn't get a vote ????

And the problem, as you say, to me anyway, is that you see a PROBLEM with everybody not jumping on board and agreeing with you on things never discussed....THAT is a problem.

Once there is legitimate immigration reform to discuss, or a real minimum wage package to discuss....but until then I am not sure how you arrived at your conclusions or actually where you voted !

:shr

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 841154)
I did not realize that the movement to legalize had such restrictions....can only smoke a joint in the parking lot of movies or at home. GREAT...they cannot drive under the influence, right ? They cannot have a gun with them under the influence, right ?

Oh, and the crisis's that follow......and they will according to experts....perhaps not on TOTV.....they pay for all that, right ?

And we are not speaking of CHANGING LAWS, but ABOLISHING LAWS !

Have a joint then answer

Barefoot 03-07-2014 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 841049)
Would it help if we spent this effort into making it NOT SO EASY to buy a DRUG that ALTERS THE MOOD ? Of course that would mean listening to medical and psychiatric professionals and might not be as easy. We can just build more crisis and rehab centers and finance them somehow. Increase the local cmt's. It may create jobs for CRISIS COUNSELORS !

What would be the next crime that is being committed that we push to make legal because of the difficulty of enforcing ? A MIND ALTERING DRUG made legal it seems because we just give up and hey....does not matter the ramifications...we sure will fee good.

Bucco, we already have a legal drug that alters the mind and the mood. It's called alcohol. It was legalized because Prohibition didn't work.

The use of marijuana is prevalent and it isn't going to go away. The point I'm trying to make is that if marijuana were legalized, there would hopefully be more restrictions. It shouldn't be sold on street corners and in school yards to children. IMHO, our focus should be on eliminating the drug cartels and ensuring it is sold only to adults.

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 11:51 AM

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billethkid 03-07-2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 841179)
IMHO, our focus should be on eliminating the drug cartels and ensuring it is sold only to adults.

The intentions are noble, however legalizing marijuana is not going to eliminate these guys. It is more akin to removing their entry line product which will have little or no impact on the rest of what they sell/represent. I suppose there is even a scenario where now that the entry level product is legal and more available there will be more customers for the next level up product line.

Legalizing marijuana is not going to get rid of the bad guys!

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 841179)
Bucco, we already have a legal drug that alters the mind and the mood. It's called alcohol. It was legalized because Prohibition didn't work.

The use of marijuana is prevalent and it isn't going to go away. The point I'm trying to make is that if marijuana were legalized, there would hopefully be more restrictions. It shouldn't be sold on street corners and in school yards to children. IMHO, our focus should be on eliminating the drug cartels and ensuring it is sold only to adults.

Yes yes yes.

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 841167)
pretty accurate, normal position of all participants in one form or another on any subject in any audience of any particular flavor!

I know, that is what I said.:shrug:

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 12:19 PM

Legalizing would cut deep into the profits of the bad guys.
Legalizing would make a safer product for those that will use regardless.
Legalizing would stop many from having a criminal record for life.
Legalizing would free up the judicial system to spend time on real criminals.
All these are my personal opinions. Please no sarcastic questions.

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 12:23 PM

Little or no impact to illegal marijuana cartel?????

Pot Shops in Denver Open Door to $578 Million in Sales - Bloomberg

One city in one state. Wake up America. This is the real reality. We are giving billions of dollars to criminals. Please help stop that foolishness now.

KeepingItReal 03-07-2014 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 841211)
Little or no impact to illegal marijuana cartel?????

Pot Shops in Denver Open Door to $578 Million in Sales - Bloomberg

One city in one state. Wake up America. This is the real reality. We are giving billions of dollars to criminals. Please help stop that foolishness now.




Might want to read this article;

Colorado-Launches-Campaign-to-Stop-Stoned-Driving


Colorado Launches Campaign to Stop Stoned Driving

DENVER (AP) -- Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, is now trying to combat stoned driving in the state.

The Colorado Department of Transportation has come out with a $1 million ad campaign called "Drive High, Get a DUI," which reminds drivers that pot should be treated like alcohol.

One ad shows a spaced-out basketball player at the foul line in a playground, endlessly dribbling while his teammates wait in frustration.

Another ad shows a middle-aged man who hangs a flat-screen TV and celebrates with some tortilla chips and salsa, only to see the TV crash to the floor and shatter.


Bob Ticer, the chairman of Colorado's Interagency Task Force on Drunk Driving, says, "Enforcement is very important when it comes to impaired driving, but education is equally important."

The Colorado State Patrol says since January, about one-half of all the impaired drivers stopped in the state had smoked marijuana.

rubicon 03-07-2014 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 840897)
But Bucco - should some dumb young 20 something spend time in prison cause he just bought some weed to smoke and got caught with a gram over the legal limit? What does that accomplish? That is where my confusion comes in. I have personally seen the ravages of marijuana and am not happy about it being legalized, but I also don't want to see people spending a good part of the lives in jail over it either. That is my confusion. And it is not simply a matter of "just say no". Easier said then done in todays world. Just don't know what the answer is - it's not black and white in my mind.

gomoho: Should that same rationale be applied to booze, prescription drugs, etc.???????????????????????????????

Golfingnut 03-07-2014 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 841248)
Might want to read this article;

Colorado-Launches-Campaign-to-Stop-Stoned-Driving


Colorado Launches Campaign to Stop Stoned Driving

DENVER (AP) -- Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, is now trying to combat stoned driving in the state.

The Colorado Department of Transportation has come out with a $1 million ad campaign called "Drive High, Get a DUI," which reminds drivers that pot should be treated like alcohol.

One ad shows a spaced-out basketball player at the foul line in a playground, endlessly dribbling while his teammates wait in frustration.

Another ad shows a middle-aged man who hangs a flat-screen TV and celebrates with some tortilla chips and salsa, only to see the TV crash to the floor and shatter.


Bob Ticer, the chairman of Colorado's Interagency Task Force on Drunk Driving, says, "Enforcement is very important when it comes to impaired driving, but education is equally important."

The Colorado State Patrol says since January, about one-half of all the impaired drivers stopped in the state had smoked marijuana.

WBKO RADIO Not worth wasting time on that place.


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