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Warren Kiefer 03-26-2014 07:41 PM

Exit gates Duh !!
 
Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??

dbussone 03-26-2014 07:44 PM

They allow time for carts to cross without getting crushed by cars and trucks.

robertj1954 03-26-2014 07:47 PM

Slowing down traffic and for the reason previously posted.

njbchbum 03-26-2014 07:47 PM

Perhaps to insure that vehicles are at least slowed down before entering the roadway they intend to travel once outside the area? We have all read the stories here about some driver's failure to stop at stop signs.

raynan 03-26-2014 07:51 PM

In most cases it's to slow you down before entering a roundabout (rotary).

MikeV 03-26-2014 08:12 PM

To slow you down so carts can cross. With the number of broken gates I have seen you would think they would put better reflectors on the gates.

mrfixit 03-26-2014 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 851790)
To slow you down so carts can cross. With the number of broken gates I have seen you would think they would put better reflectors on the gates.

:agree: :beer3:


Do you mean like so many communities that have
installed the L.E.D. rope lights the full length of the gate arm....:wave:
.......(simply using Stainless Steel Ties.)
The electric is already in place to power the lights. :doh:

We see RED ones on EXIT Gate arms.... and .....
...............White (clear) L.E.D.'s on Entrance Gate arms.

They are lit up 24/7.

DonH57 03-26-2014 09:03 PM

I was under the impression the exit gates control the flow of traffic coming out on to the main roads like 27/441, 446, and 446A .

njbchbum 03-26-2014 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 851817)
I was under the impression the exit gates control the flow of traffic coming out on to the main roads like 27/441, 446, and 446A .

And onto Morse Blvd and Buena Vista Blvd as well!

Don't the entrance gates control incoming traffic so as to slow cars for crossing golf carts? I thought carts crossed to the inside of the exit gates.

Ooper 03-26-2014 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 851821)
I thought carts crossed to the inside of the exit gates.

Although I agree with you, not all gates have cart crossings inside them, some are on the outside. And not all gates enter into round-a-bouts.

TVMayor 03-26-2014 09:27 PM

Could it be the exit gate prevent drivers from entering in the wrong lane and causing a head on accident?

RErmer 03-26-2014 09:31 PM

All I can say is thank goodness for the exit gates...slows traffic so carts have a chance to cross!

handyman 03-27-2014 12:32 AM

Duh,were they here when you moved here?

KittyKat 03-27-2014 12:44 AM

I hate the exit gates going south on Morse just before 466. They should leave them up during the day.

Bonanza 03-27-2014 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raynan (Post 851773)
In most cases it's to slow you down before entering a roundabout (rotary).

If that's the reason the powers that be give us, it's nonsense.
Nowhere else are there gates to slow someone down when entering a circle.

Why does everyone give excuses for the way people drive here.
There are lousy drivers all over.
Is it because they all eventually move to the villages??!?

Bonanza 03-27-2014 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 851765)
Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??

The answer to your question is a big fat NO!

There is no rational reason to have gates and guards period.
Of course, there are those who will give you reasons, many of which are lame.
The streets are public which means that anyone can come and go and cannot be stopped.

We still have break-ins and burglaries.

It costs us over a million dollrs a year to have guards there, pay for repairs, utilities, etc.

alzjr 03-27-2014 07:02 AM

[QUOTE=Bonanza;851868][B][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][CENTER][SIZE="4"]The answer to your question is a big fat NO!

There is no rational reason to have gates and guards period.
Of course, there are those who will give you reasons, many of which are lame.
The streets are public which means that anyone can come and go and cannot be stopped.

We still have break-ins and burglaries.

It costs us over a million dollrs a year to have guards there, pay for repairs,

The gates have little to do with security and everything to do with safety. They are simply a choice for traffic control and no different than a stop sign meaning one must stop or a traffic light when red meaning one must stop or a speed limit sign meaning that is the MAXIMUM speed allowed or a yield sign meaning one must yield or a crosswalk meaning a pedistrian can expect traffic to stop so they may cross a street safely or a flashing yellow light meaning to use caution or a speed limit of 20 MPH before a roundabout to slow traffic to safely negotiate the roundabout.
Maybe several large speed bumps would be a better choice to slow things down!

Paulz 03-27-2014 07:57 AM

Security, license plates are photographed at exit gates. A car may enter TV and drive around for a while but in most cases exit quickly if they are involved in a burglary.

cquick 03-27-2014 08:00 AM

:clap2:yup, we need those gates, the way people drive around here. They do slow the cars down. Makes people unhappy sometimes, but it's a good reminder that it's a residential area.

cquick 03-27-2014 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittyKat (Post 851865)
I hate the exit gates going south on Morse just before 466. They should leave them up during the day.

I think those gates are to slow people down so that golf carts can cross to go south on Morse.

Cathy H 03-27-2014 08:12 AM

The official purpose of exit gates is to prevent suspicious looking people from entering TV by means of by-passing the actual entrance gate lanes.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-27-2014 08:20 AM

The gates are part of the communist conspiracy to overthrow our great nation.

TVMayor 03-27-2014 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulz (Post 851977)
Security, license plates are photographed at exit gates. A car may enter TV and drive around for a while but in most cases exit quickly if they are involved in a burglary.

How many burglaries have been solved using this security method in the last 6 months? Zero?

Warren Kiefer 03-27-2014 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 851765)
Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??

Am I wrong, but isn't it true that in most cases there are no golf cart crossings on the outside of exit gates??

Ooper 03-27-2014 09:16 AM

I thought the gates were there to provide amusement on the district government website by watching folks going through them to see how many times they could be run into.

Ooper 03-27-2014 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 852049)
Am I wrong, but isn't it true that in most cases there are no golf cart crossings on the outside of exit gates??

Most cases you are correct but there are some... Santiago gate and the Polo Ridge gate near the polo fields are just 2 that come to mind where the crossing is outside the gate.

perrjojo 03-27-2014 11:44 AM

Maybe there's something wrong with me but I don't mind the gates. They slow traffic and allow carts to cross the streets. What is wrong with slowing down a few seconds? I have never thought of them as an inconvenience. Traffic lights are unsightly and stop signs are viewed as a suggestion.

memason 03-27-2014 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 851997)
The gates are part of the communist conspiracy to overthrow our great nation.

ha ha.....I think you might be on to something :icon_wink:

Bonanza 03-28-2014 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cquick (Post 851982)
I think those gates are to slow people down so that golf carts can cross to go south on Morse.

In comparison, a stop sign would do the same thing,
and costs a lot less than a million dollars per year.

I do think that drivers here could be a little more courteous.

Bonanza 03-28-2014 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathy H (Post 851991)
The official purpose of exit gates is to prevent suspicious looking people from entering TV by means of by-passing the actual entrance gate lanes.

Are you serious???
"Suspicious looking people?"
What do you mean . . . Someone in a tie and jacket?

The Villages is like any other place in the country.
We are a series of neighborhoods. Why is everyone so paranoid?
We really are no different than other towns or cities.

We are like Main Street, USA and have far fewer police issues than any other town or city.

Bonanza 03-28-2014 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 851998)
How many burglaries have been solved using this security method in the last 6 months? Zero?

Thank you!
You hit the nail on the head.
You've said it all in far fewer words than I.

Bonanza 03-28-2014 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handyman (Post 851864)
Duh,were they here when you moved here?

Duh!
Just because they may have been here initially,
does not mean that they will always perform a good or logical function.

Many things look good on paper but in reality, they may not work well.

graciegirl 03-28-2014 04:49 AM

Boy Howdy.

PaPaLarry 03-28-2014 05:14 AM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: Gee, we haven't had Popcorn in a long time!!!

Bonanza 03-28-2014 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaPaLarry (Post 852525)
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: Gee, we haven't had Popcorn in a long time!!!

It might be a good time to sit down and enjoy about 10 bags or so.
That's how long it would take to read through all this nonsense!!!
:Screen_of_Death:

graciegirl 03-28-2014 06:49 AM

I think one should live here for at least a year and see a bunch of two for one happy hour incidents before deciding on this issue. It slows people down and inconveniences them...but....... I think they are a good thing, the gates.


Smile. You're on candid camera.


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rubicon 03-28-2014 07:16 AM

I do not know where the claims of $1,000,000 to operate gates comes from, heck it may be more or it may be less? I also do not know who has had the opportunity to be privy to police investigative reports to be able to boldly state that zero burglaries solved because of security at the gate?

One in my view has to look at the gates for what they are deterrents and an attempt at control entry and exits and lastly an opportunity on the main gates to be properly greeted and for visitors given direction upon request. The only way to be sure is to have a study conducted but then people would just refute the study anyway.

I could see how non-residents would object but why would residents? However, it would seem residents would welcome the gates because they produce more positives than negatives. there is one exception in my view the gate at Paradise. That should not be a gate but a wall.

dewilson58 03-28-2014 07:25 AM

[QUOTE=graciegirl;852541]I think one should live here for at least a year and see a bunch of two for one happy hour incidents before deciding on this issue. It slows people down and inconveniences them...but....... I think they are a good thing, the gates.


Smile. You're on candid camera.


I agree.

Can you imagine how many golf carts would drive out and get in the circles.

Warren Kiefer 03-28-2014 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handyman (Post 851864)
duh,were they here when you moved here?

i have no idea what this comment means or how it is in response to the orginal question.

TVMayor 03-28-2014 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 852555)
I do not know where the claims of $1,000,000 to operate gates comes from, heck it may be more or it may be less? I also do not know who has had the opportunity to be privy to police investigative reports to be able to boldly state that zero burglaries solved because of security at the gate?

One in my view has to look at the gates for what they are deterrents and an attempt at control entry and exits and lastly an opportunity on the main gates to be properly greeted and for visitors given direction upon request. The only way to be sure is to have a study conducted but then people would just refute the study anyway.

I could see how non-residents would object but why would residents? However, it would seem residents would welcome the gates because they produce more positives than negatives. there is one exception in my view the gate at Paradise. That should not be a gate but a wall.

If the Paradise gate was a wall, how would people get in and out of The Villages? By using any gate minus one? How did man survive when it was just a hole in the wall? How has life improved with the gate in place?


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