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Villages PL 08-21-2014 11:44 AM

A possible solution to rioting and looting:
 
When I was a young lad (1955) I remember there was severe flooding in Waterbury CT. This was because of two back-to-back hurricanes that saturated the land. This flood destroyed buildings and almost 90 people died.

What I remember is that the governor called in the National Guard and gave the following order: "If you see anyone looting, shoot to kill." I believe that put a stop to it.

Why don't we do that anymore?

buggyone 08-21-2014 12:17 PM

Because a human life is worth more than material possessions.

I presume you mean "looting" as in stealing and not "luting" as in playing a lute. That could put a different spin on the reply.

bluedog103 08-21-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 926563)
When I was a young lad (1955) I remember there was severe flooding in Waterbury CT. This was because of two back-to-back hurricanes that saturated the land. This flood destroyed buildings and almost 90 people died.

What I remember is that the governor called in the National Guard and gave the following order: "If you see anyone luting, shoot to kill." I believe that put a stop to it.

Why don't we do that anymore?

Because very few people play the lute anymore. :jester:

sunnyatlast 08-21-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 926563)
When I was a young lad (1955) I remember there was severe flooding in Waterbury CT. This was because of two back-to-back hurricanes that saturated the land. This flood destroyed buildings and almost 90 people died.

What I remember is that the governor called in the National Guard and gave the following order: "If you see anyone luting, shoot to kill." I believe that put a stop to it.

Why don't we do that anymore?

Today I'd ask "why are they not arrested, prosecuted, sentenced and put to work in sandbagging and cleaning up the flood zone, with a very small shovel?".

billethkid 08-21-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 926592)
Today I'd ask "why are they not arrested, prosecuted, sentenced and put to work in sandbagging and cleaning up the flood zone, with a very small shovel?".

NO FEAR!!!!!!! With Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, the WH and the lettered news media on their side....what do they have to worry about? Nothing.

We are continuing to water down what is illegal to allow more to get what they do not have......without having to work for or earn it.

sunnyatlast 08-21-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 926598)
NO FEAR!!!!!!! With Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, the WH and the lettered news media on their side....what do they have to worry about? Nothing.

We are continuing to water down what is illegal to allow more to get what they do not have......without having to work for or earn it.

"We" are continuing to water down what is illegal?

No, only those who pander for the votes of lawbreakers and their facilitators are watering down what is illegal.

Villages PL 08-21-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 926585)
Because a human life is worth more than material possessions.

I presume you mean "looting" as in stealing and not "luting" as in playing a lute. That could put a different spin on the reply.

Thanks. I don't know why I had so much trouble with it. Yes, I meant "looting". But at least I got a good laugh out of it. :a20:

Villages PL 08-21-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bluedog103 (Post 926589)
Because very few people play the lute anymore. :jester:

Now you got me laughing all over again! :D

karostay 08-21-2014 02:17 PM

Just hold a Jobs fair they'll all leave

rubicon 08-21-2014 02:36 PM

A possible solution to rioting and looting?

Following the Civil rights Act of 1964 the federal government has spent billions and billions on minority programs ,forced integration, forced Affirmative Action,
place minorities at the head of the line at all universities, etc and still does. We have black minorities in many executive positions around he country and elected a black president

But beside of all of that effort the riot and looting in Ferguson looks no different than the riots Watts 1965, Cleveland in 1966 and Detroit & Newark 1967 .

If someone here has the answer you might want to send a carbon copy of your post to the federal government

jblum315 08-21-2014 03:46 PM

Just play classical music over the PA system. The crowds will vanish.

SoccerCoach 08-21-2014 04:27 PM

The leadership of the country is lacking some important ingredients, mainly "character".
Character is what makes leadership possible. People cannot respect or trust those who are lacking character. The key reason these people are popular is because they make other people who lack character feel better about themselves. Lasting leadership is grounded in character. Character produces respect. Respect produces trust. And trust motivates followers. We have inept leadership!

TexaninVA 08-21-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 926563)
When I was a young lad (1955) I remember there was severe flooding in Waterbury CT. This was because of two back-to-back hurricanes that saturated the land. This flood destroyed buildings and almost 90 people died.

What I remember is that the governor called in the National Guard and gave the following order: "If you see anyone looting, shoot to kill." I believe that put a stop to it.

Why don't we do that anymore?

Agree ... that would take care of the problem.

The looters can quickly sense hesitation and reluctance by those in authority to quell the uprising, which emboldens them further. Looking at the looters literally shooting their way into a store on TV the other night ... one volley from the police and that would have taken care of it. They can use rubber bullets for the first volley, and if that doesn't work, then real bullets will.

golf2140 08-21-2014 04:53 PM

Let me get this straight. The Chief of Police was critizied because he used armed vehiles. He was replaced by Captain Johnson who walked with the folks. That didn't work, he use armed vehicle, but that was fine. They also brought in the National Guard. Why must a certain segment riot. loot and burn propertywhen they don't like what had taken place. Thy don't let the legal system take it's course.

kellyjam 08-21-2014 05:07 PM

Funny this week on the News there were 2 instances of thugs snatching pocketbooks from 2 senior women hurting both of them. One of the women beat them off with her cane. I don't remember our President appearing on TV exclaiming that either one of them could have been his Grandmother.

Paper1 08-21-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 926639)
Just hold a Jobs fair they'll all leave

Thank you. I'm sitting by myself up here in Maine in the mist of all the bad news going on and laughing out load. You should be writing material for Don Imus.

dbussone 08-21-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 926737)
Thank you. I'm sitting by myself up here in Maine in the mist of all the bad news going on and laughing out load. You should be writing material for Don Imus.


Having been born in Maine I'm wondering whether you meant "load" or mold?

Pointer 08-21-2014 07:22 PM

I prefer to focus on the fact that most of the people are law abiding and that they organized themselves into preventing any more looting by standing guard of stores and they were successful.

I find it upsetting to read stereotyping based on assumptions rather then facts.
I think that the media plays a big part in what they focus on sometimes over the best interests of safety.

My heart always goes out to the parents who have to bury a child. There's not much that is harder to bare. To many children die in this country and around the world and a disproportionate are minorities. I think that is what is at the heart of this. I can't imagine trying to raise a child with those odds.

Paper1 08-22-2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 926753)
Having been born in Maine I'm wondering whether you meant "load" or mold?

I was concerned some sharp eyed senior would pick up my load/loud spelling. Thank you for not disappointing. Where in Maine are your roots

Bay Kid 08-23-2014 06:23 AM

Take away all their "free stuff". Then they would have to get a job. Then they would be home resting to be able to go to work the next day.

Pointer 08-23-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 927350)
Take away all their "free stuff". Then they would have to get a job. Then they would be home resting to be able to go to work the next day.

The assumption that the people who are looting don't have jobs is very prejudice. Lacking in integrity would be more accurate.

graciegirl 08-23-2014 07:42 AM

I don't know why they are looting and I don't know why the victim stole something from a local store just minutes before this happened.

In fact I don't know what transpired after that to make an officer of the law shoot to kill.

I hope that we will get the whole story. I for one am still shocked and saddened about someone stealing anything. Anything.

But then I am old and very out of fashion.

mflasch 08-23-2014 09:34 AM

I just found out the reason they are not arresting any LOOTERS in Ferguson since Eric Holder's visit. He and the Justice Department have reclassified them:
They are not LOOTERS anymore,
They are UNDOCUMENTED SHOPPERS!

buggyone 08-23-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mflasch (Post 927410)
I just found out the reason they are not arresting any LOOTERS in Ferguson since Eric Holder's visit. He and the Justice Department have reclassified them:
They are not LOOTERS anymore,
They are UNDOCUMENTED SHOPPERS!

Not funny at all.

Hancle704 08-23-2014 10:13 AM

Maybe Bill O'Reilly's comments bears watching again.


O'Reilly on America's Race Problem | CNS News

janmcn 08-23-2014 10:15 AM

One way to stop rioting and looting is for police officers to stop killing young black men. Brown was picked on for blocking traffic. A NY man was strangled by police for allegedly selling cigarettes.

Hopefully, the Ferguson police officer will soon be charged with homicide by the grand jury hearing this case, as was the NY police officer. Having a police badge does not give anyone a license to kill.

graciegirl 08-23-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 927435)
One way to stop rioting and looting is for police officers to stop killing young black men. Brown was picked on for blocking traffic. A NY man was strangled by police for allegedly selling cigarettes.

Hopefully, the Ferguson police officer will soon be charged with homicide by the grand jury hearing this case, as was the NY police officer. Having a police badge does not give anyone a license to kill.


I am waiting to see the rest of the story. I have a prejudice for officers of the law.

If you had to spend the rest of your life in a small room with Michael Brown or this police officer, not knowing any more than we do right now, WHO would you choose if you were forced to choose? Will you be honest, or politically correct?

golf2140 08-23-2014 10:33 AM

Gracie for Mayor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Polar Bear 08-23-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 927435)
...Hopefully, the Ferguson police officer will soon be charged with homicide...

How can you possibly say that without actually KNOWING THE FACTS of what happened? I just don't get it.

TNLAKEPANDA 08-23-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 927437)
I am waiting to see the rest of the story. I have a prejudice for officers of the law.

If you had to spend the rest of your life in a small room with Michael Brown or this police officer, not knowing any more than we do right now, WHO would you choose if you were forced to choose? Will you be honest, or politically correct?

Let me think about that... Ok not Michael Brown~

Patty55 08-23-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hancle704;927***
Maybe Bill O'Reilly's comments bears watching again.


O'Reilly on America's Race Problem | CNS News

OMG, I can't believe I agree with Bill O'Reilly.

I've often said that a lot of today's problems stem from the breakdown of the family, that there are too many absent fathers and exhausted overwhelmed mothers. There are too many "reality" shows where the people speak so poorly they need subtitles. Too much is expected of the school system, values should be taught at home, not the classroom.

Where are the parents of the rioters and looters? We never had such things going on while growing up but I sure know if I ever even thought about such a thing I'd see my Mothers pink hair rollers coming through the crowd and beg the police to shoot me.

Yep, I agree with O'Reilly, does this mean I have to burn my ACLU card?

mflasch 08-23-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 927435)
One way to stop rioting and looting is for police officers to stop killing young black men. Brown was picked on for blocking traffic. A NY man was strangled by police for allegedly selling cigarettes.

Hopefully, the Ferguson police officer will soon be charged with homicide by the grand jury hearing this case, as was the NY police officer. Having a police badge does not give anyone a license to kill.

Let's just reiterate one more time the fundamental problem with this incident and the majority of like incidents. If the "victim" simply complied with the police officer's request, there would have been no incident. Why. oh why, is that so hard for people to understand. Had this "gentle giant" simply got out of the street and walked on the sidewalk like normal people do, things would have ended there.
And I am tired of him being referred to as a "child." This was a 6'4', 290 lb man who obviously had no regard for the law.

Hancle704 08-23-2014 11:49 AM

For some folks (like the Revs. Sharpton and Jackson), investigations to uncover the facts are not needed and don't matter.

B767drvr 08-23-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 927435)
Having a police badge does not give anyone a license to kill.

Of course it does. "To serve and to protect" means exactly that. In the appropriate circumstance, the officer's badge not only "gives" him that license, it DEMANDS he use his weapon. Think about this for a moment if this doesn't make sense to you.

Rags123 08-23-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 927435)
One way to stop rioting and looting is for police officers to stop killing young black men. Brown was picked on for blocking traffic. A NY man was strangled by police for allegedly selling cigarettes.

Hopefully, the Ferguson police officer will soon be charged with homicide by the grand jury hearing this case, as was the NY police officer. Having a police badge does not give anyone a license to kill.

You call a police officer a "killer" , yet you know NOTHING Unless of course you have the information that nobody else has.

A police officer was trying to enforce the law....isn't that what we want....
and was resisted. The policeman did not arbitrarily choose this man...he was violating the law and HE MADE THE DECISION HE WAS ABOVE THE LAW

No matter what law....it is the law.

Whether the shooting was justified or not is subject to all kinds of hearings, which are ongoing.......YET

A man is being called a killer. Now please tell me which is better.....with no facts call someone a killer, OR have a police force attempt to enforce our laws ?

Would really be interested in a response, especially the grounds for calling a man a KILLER.

If there is any response to my question, could you always say whether you would call this man a killer if he were black ? Just wondering how race related such a terrible charge might be.. Thanks

buggyone 08-23-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 927443)
Let me think about that... Ok not Michael Brown~

People should check sources before posting.

Check the photo posted and you will find out a Kansas City policeman falsely posted a picture of an Oregon murder suspect as being Michael Brown.

I would think the poster should apologize to the forum.

Rags123 08-23-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 927509)
People should check sources before posting.

Check the photo posted and you will find out a Kansas City policeman falsely posted a picture of an Oregon murder suspect as being Michael Brown.

I would think the poster should apologize to the forum.

While I think the posting of the picture is way out of line, but if everyone who posts false unverifiable information on here has to make a public apology...wow...just saying

graciegirl 08-23-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 927509)
People should check sources before posting.

Check the photo posted and you will find out a Kansas City policeman falsely posted a picture of an Oregon murder suspect as being Michael Brown.

I would think the poster should apologize to the forum.

Is this one of Michael Brown, just prior to being killed?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...37_636x358.jpg

buggyone 08-23-2014 01:00 PM

[QUOTE=graciegirl;927518]Is this one of Michael Brown, just prior to being killed?

It is supposed to be a still shot of Brown taken from the convenience store where he and a friend stole some cigars and shoved the owner.

Back in the Trayvon Martin incident, false thug-like pictures of him were posted on his Facebook page, too.

Chi-Town 08-23-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 927518)
Is this one of Michael Brown, just prior to being killed?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...37_636x358.jpg

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