So true!

I read an article a few years ago that they cleared teenagers out of a park by playing classical music. This music is foreign to many people and they do not like the complicated scores and lack of guitars.

Thank-you for being a police officer and giving good advice. You're still serving and protecting.

[QUOTE Does this photo, reportedly of Michael Brown, really look like a 6'4" 290 lb giant? If so, the man next to him must be nine feet tall.

If that is Brown in the photo, he looks like he is about 5'5". It will be interesting to hear the height and weight of the Ferguson cop.[/QUOTE]

Something smells awfully fishy. An individual (who shall remain nameless) has been on this thread claiming the white police officer killed the black Mr. Brown simply for "walking in the street", yet when shown a photograph of Mr. Brown, Mr or Mrs Nameless picked a small caucasian-looking man as the victim completely overlooking the HUGE black guy in the center of the picture assaulting the store keeper? :ohdear:

This has nothing to do with the incident that occured, but it has been mentioned on here as well as totally beat to death on the networks about the stark difference in the community and the police force as relates to race.

I decided to do a bit of looking into that....and was lucky as the St Louis Newspaper already did a little bit of research....a few interesting parts of their article..

"About 67 percent of Ferguson’s residents are African-American, but only 7 percent of the city’s commissioned police officers are black.

That lopsided representation, brought to light after a black teen was killed by a white police officer two weeks ago, has city leaders pledging to try harder to improve race relations.

The disparity is common among communities in St. Louis County with significant black populations. Many police departments do not reflect the communities they serve"

"Many reasons for the disparity are given, including difficulty in recruiting black police officers; the lack of interest in policing by minorities; and the changing demographics in North County over the past two decades."

And this fact that the networks do not talk about....I actually had the impression that this problem was years and years and decades old....

"From 1990 to 2010, Ferguson’s African-American population rose by more than 150 percent."

St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News

Just sharing

People, do you really think that a police office white or black would shoot someone in broad daylight if he / she didn't feel that they were in the fight of their life. Also what gives the folks who protest the right to burn and loot. Did anyone notice that three police officers were killed today? Where are our political leaders. I'm sorry they were white !!!!

Something smells awfully fishy. An individual (who shall remain nameless) has been on this thread claiming the white police officer killed the black Mr. Brown simply for "walking in the street", yet when shown a photograph of Mr. Brown, Mr or Mrs Nameless picked a small caucasian-looking man as the victim completely overlooking the HUGE black guy in the center of the picture assaulting the store keeper? :ohdear:[/QUOTE]


There have been a few "fishy" comments on this thread and another. Got to remember we have folks who just like to "play" and stir the pot as much as possible....facts do not apply, just stir the pot.

I think just waiting for the facts and understanding what has happened and why in context is important. As I mentioned earlier a young unarmed white man was killed by a black policeman in Salt Lake City Utah on the same day as this incident. There have been protests about the death but not much about race at all.

There is a cottage industry that is in existence only to be the centerpiece of whatever is happening.


If that industry is disrupted, Sharpton, Jackson, Crump might be out of work or have their influence curtailed.

You imply that some black person, or "they" as billethkid, karostay, bay kid, and others call them, will exact some revenge for Brown's death. Perhaps you will present us with one or several cases where the "theys" of our nation have perpetrated a murder of white policeman who had been either cleared or never charged. On the other hand of course there are hundreds or thousands of 20th century deaths of minorities by white mobs, or the KKK without trial to avenge such offenses as talking to a white woman. Those who are born with the benefit of white skin cannot begin to understand how "they" are still routinely treated differently by police than you would be. Driving while black, walking while black, shopping while black..... If there is less respect for cops, that lack of respect may have a big basis in life experience. That the OP suggests the way to take care of riots is to just shoot people sounds like a solution that the worst totalitarian governments would certainly endorse. I am not able to verify his memory of any such shoot to kill order in any online source
Flood Ravages Whole State Causing Many Deaths, Millions In Damage - Courant.com

Frankly the anti-minority postings of way too many on this forum is sickening.. play classical music, hand out job applications, take away their free stuff, undocumented shoppers, posting random photos of black people with guns as they fit your stereotype, shameful, and the reason why black Americans don't trust old white guys to be fair to them. Maybe the next generation will have less bigotry, prejudice, and animus.

Before you fall off your high horse… let me help you down with a step stool.

Genocide Watch

(For those that don't click… it's the CURRENT genocide of whites by blacks in South Africa.)

Just finished watching the final episode of True Blood. And just like the end of the series, this thread needs to meet the True Death.

You know what, let's all be totally honest for a change. What's truly sickening to me is people is who refuse to state the obvious for fear of social condemnation. To wit, it's generally not a race issue but a CLASS issue. No one cares anymore about a person's race if they are middle class in culture and share a common value set.

On the other hand, all one has to do is look at the TV footage on any network and see the rioters in action, and the underclass they come from. No one with any brains or sense of civilized order likes it. These individuals have violated the law, and in some cases used firearms. It needs to be quelled not understood.

in addition, after a half century of social engineering, it's obvious the situation has gotten worse not better for the urban underclass. I challenge anyone to deny that.

The solution is obvious ... have a Mommy and Daddy raise a family, teach the children mainstream religious values (Judeo-Christian), be sure to include the Protestant work ethic and the resultant society usually works pretty well. That's why all the illegals of the world are trying to sneak into America -- it works!

Try to douse the guilt and white privilege ideology, and just look at the world realistically and help fix it.

no looting and rioting with weapons. =. No thread

Quote, taken from entire post of Blueash;
Frankly the anti-minority postings of way too many on this forum is sickening.. play classical music, hand out job applications, take away their free stuff, undocumented shoppers, posting random photos of black people with guns as they fit your stereotype, shameful, and the reason why black Americans don't trust old white guys to be fair to them. Maybe the next generation will have less bigotry, prejudice, and animus.[/QUOTE]


Many old white people have lived a long time and have seen a lot. Many old black people have lived a long time and have seen a lot.

I have friends who are from India who have very dark skins. I have friends who are black with very dark skin.I have friends who are Chinese, and Mexican and Canadian. I don't think skin color has much to do with how most people decide who to enjoy being with or who to admire or disdain.

Look at the groundswell of love and admiration for the little girl pitcher from Philadelphia.

What people HATE is the do-less attitude of others; black, white, red, pink, yellow or green. People admire people who take care of themselves and their own.

Please stay on topic and do not address comments to or at other members.

This has nothing to do with looting.
 

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So when white people invade an area, threaten to shoot cops and other government agents, take over the streets, even claim the law does not apply to them and point their guns at cops, they will be treated no differently than non-whites? They will be shot as soon as they go for their belt, or especially if they raise a weapon? They will be prosecuted for their riot, taking of property? I give you Cliven Bundy as evidence of a difference. What would have been the response of Fox News if these people had been non-whites, armed to the teeth, pointing their weapons?

What happened recently when a very wealthy black woman, well dressed, went into a store and asked to see a very expensive purse? Was she well treated because no one saw her race, just that she shared those Judeo Christian and Protestant values? Ask Oprah.

Sure it is all just a class issues not a color issue. Although pot usage is identical in black vs white, a black person is 4 times more likely to be arrested. The black/white marijuana arrest gap, in nine charts - The Washington Post

Ask Raymond Wilford about the equal treatment of black vs white where the cops pepper sprayed and arrested the wrong person in an altercation in Seattle even as white eyewitnesses told them it was the white guy who caused the problem.
Will the Pepper-Spraying Westlake Security Guard Be Punished? by Ansel Herz - Seattle News - The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper


If you and others can't see white privilege in action every day of your life, that is no doubt because you are benefitting from it. What is truly sickening to me is people who refuse to see the obvious.

Basically, the argument of white privilege (which you have espoused more or less) says "white people are bad, they stole everything and America's been a gyp job" since the Founding ... ie my paraphrase. Hence, the ideological groundwork for continuation of white guilt and the eventual case for reparations etc. That's actually pretty obvious.

What's also obvious is the Attorney General and MO Gov rode into town, played to the mob shamelessly (by the way, do you deny it was a mob?) and did everything but offer them the rope. This is the path, if not challenged, that eventually leads to a Robespierre as each demagogue (eg Al Sharpton) raises the stakes to satiate what is essentially a very ignorant mob with easily inflamed passions.

I repeat ... the root cancer is cultural and class, not race. That truly is obvious but we can't say that or we get dumped on by the PC crowd. It's also a reflection of what happens when a civilization loses the morality that had been bestowed on it by Judeo Christian ethics and religion.

Another obvious reality ... if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets.

What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?

I know I'm stating the obvious, but what really irritates me is the looting and violence that the legitimate protestors have nothing to do with.

Peaceful protest and the demand that the shooting (and all similar situations) be fully investigated is a right, understandable, and should be protected by law enforcement.

Those that see these situations as nothing but an opportunity for personal gain, perpetrating violence and theft, either coming in from the outside (bad enough) or against their own neighborhood and neighbors (even worse), make me sick...black, white, yellow, purple, paisley...makes no difference.

I don't envy law enforcement their job in these situations. I know it's easier said than done, but sorting out the legitimate protestors from the criminals seems to be the important thing, imho.

I am tired of people holding up an example of horrible things that happened in the past as an excuse. The KKK as awful as it was but it is a mere shadow these days. That kind of hate is not tolerated by the majority of people in this country.

I think about the holocaust and think how many of my Jewish friends whose families were tortured and killed by white people yet continued on to work hard and be independent and successful and they continued to do good for minorities everywhere..and just plain do good. Their parents made huge sacrifices for them so that they could get the education or money they needed to establish an independent life.

I am just tired of all the excuses why people of any color can't make a decent life for themselves in this country TODAY, IF they are not handicapped, sick or mentally ill. Poor is not an excuse, it is a starting point.

When I see a mention of Fox news in a post, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. I never see anyone alluding to the unbelievable news coverage on MSNBC, but the minute I see the Fox comments, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. This from someone who watches neither but understands the brainwashing aspect.

There was a shooting of a white unarmed young man in Salt Lake City by a black police officer. There are in fact protestors because it appears he was unarmed and thought to be armed. Legitimate questions are raised....

NO LOOTING....NO VIOLENCE....and thus far, not a mention of RACE, and the only reason, it appears, that the race is known is that it happened on the same day as the tragedy in Ferguson. Betting that was not on anyones tv screen !!!!

There are those like Sharpton, Jackson, Crump who rely on situations like this. That is the problem that you blame on whites in general.

Is there racism ? Sure, on all sides and has been forever. In the next 10 years white will not be a majority and then can claim that minority status I suppose. The quick draw response to call everyone racism without ever ever looking at root causes, such as culture, politics, economics will allow us to drown in this sea of hate that is being "taught" to young people.

Rags I happen to agree with you. However the WSJ recently reported that for the first time ever minority enrollment in schools surpassed white enrollment

I also agree with your opinion concerning TV broadcasts. I refuse to watch any of the alphabet stations not because of their liberal bias but because they have gotten so bold as to re-frame news events to their political likings .

Race continues to be a problem because liberals continue to pander to minorities for votes and in exchange gives them free stuff. How can America move forward if on one hand we demand equality and in the other continue intimating to minorities that they are victims

No one was ever shot because the threat, "shoot to kill" kept people away. That was the point I was making.

You do not understand white privilege. It says absolutely nothing about white people being bad or reparations. It says nothing about ethics or civilization or the attorney general (did you know he is a Black man?) White privilege is the fact that if you are white our culture our cops our schools our juries in an unconscious manner give you an advantage which you would not be given if you were black. It means that if identical papers are given to a teacher to be graded and one is written by Susan and one by Shenequa that the paper by Susan which is no different at all, is likely to get a higher grade. Similarly studies of job applications have shown that resumes which have minority names result in fewer interviews
Employers' Replies to Racial Names
If you don't think driving while black is a real thing, The Statistical Analysis
or shopping while black see none other than Cond. Rice complain about it
A reader's guide to Condoleezza Rice: An American Life.

White privilege is real and gives a real advantage. Tall people are socially advantaged, attractive people are socially advantaged, non-obese people are socially advantaged. It has nothing to do with guilt or Jesse Jackson. It has to do with how every day being black makes life a little harder and why maybe after generations of that kind of engrained cultural bias might just make a black person more likely to get upset at the next traffic stop, or cop encounter, or salesperson following her around in a store. It does, if you're able to look at why, help to explain why when pushed hard enough black communities may push back. No I don't believe rioting is the answer and you should understand that such activity was by a tiny fraction of those involved in the Ferguson protests, and it was vigorously criticized by Sharpton

The civil rights activist, speaking at a rally Sunday afternoon in Ferguson, Mo., also urged people who are protesting the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown to remain peaceful in their actions.

“Some are angry and out of control. And others are taking advantage of it. And don’t take advantage of their child,” said Sharpton, referring to Brown’s parents. Don’t loot in Michael’s name,” he added. “We are not looters, we’re liberators. We are not burners. We are builders.”

And Jesse Jackson:
Jackson urged the crowd to continue protesting but to avoid violence."You can reshape an iron while it's hot, but don't destroy yourself in the process. Don't self-destruct," Jackson said.

But go ahead everyone, just hate on Sharpton and Jackson as agitators and ignore what they actually say. They lead the peaceful protestors including plenty of middle class looking (I know stereotype) and white protestors.

Clergy and activists help Ferguson protests remain calm

This is one of several posts that have referred to the shooting in Utah and questioned why there has not been more outrage or rioting about it. Firstly there is no history of repeated deaths of unarmed white people at the hands of black police to have established a basis for a concern of a racially motivated (even subconsciously) shooting. And while we have all been made aware of the conflicting stories as to what happened in Ferguson there is no conflict as to what happened in SLC. There was a report to the police of a young white male brandishing a handgun near a store. The police responded to the report and confronted a group of persons who fit the description. The cop ordered the person and those he was with get down on the ground with hands on your head and while the others complied the victim reached for his belt. His friends say he was adjusting his pants and did not hear the cop as he was wearing earphones. The cop saw a suspect reaching for his waist and shot as he was looking for a white male armed with a gun that was being brandished and his actions at least initially seem reasonable. And the victim in SLC, was a convicted felon with an active warrant for his arrest. This does not make shooting him ok, and it is unlikely that the cop knew that detail. I mention it only in contraposition to the completely clean criminal record of Mike Brown despite all the postings calling him a criminal or a gang member or a lowlife. He was on his way to college, had a mother and a father and yes seems to have had an altercation with the store owner earlier that day which was not part of a pattern of behavioral given his clean record.

What I don't get is why name your child Shenequa, do these people really think that will be an asset?:shrug:

Yes, I think it's about CLASS, not race, not money. I think it's about wanting more for your children than yourself.

As for the Sharpton group, google Crown Heights, Howard Beach and of course the infamous Tawanna Brawley and try to deny he's agitator.

Actually, I undertand the concept quite well that's emerged in academia over the years, and why it emerged. More importantly I understand the progessive ideology from which it truly stems. I already gave a succint summary of the practical definition so won't repeat it here.

As far as Jackson and Sharpton go, I look at their actions not just their words. Talk is cheap ... actions and results are what matter. They have perfected the art of race hustling ... I will give them credit for that. The race hustlers make it worse. What they really do is exploit the underclass who are essentially ignorant of why they are in the condition they are. Ben Carson, by contrast, worked his way up from nothing. He deserves our respect. Do you agree with that?

It's also inapprorpate for someone when discussing this to simply bring out the rehtroical device of saying 'just go on hating" etc because that's used to silence the oppositoin. I don't think that's going to work anymore.

I also asked you a question about what you would do to deal with a mob.
..." if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets. What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?"

Please respond.

Did a little TOTV search to see if anyone ever alludes to MSNBC in a negative way. And got 300 hits since July 2010 including this one posted by you.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...acture-124445/

"I have been watching both CNN and MSNBC for a bit today. I kept count, and between those two channels, I have heard the event in question called an execution 17 times by either a host or guest (yes I counted them). I have never heard any of the host or guests suggest that there may have been cause for this shooting. "

Nonetheless, you are correct, when you see Fox News mentioned in a post you do know something about the world view of the poster. So we agree!

Both sides are presented in this video of Rev. Jesse Jackson and Dr. Ben Carson yesterday, presenting their insights and solutions to the problem.

Anybody who refuses to watch or discards the clear messages in this video, because of the network airing it, is just plain bigoted in my estimation.

Inside mistrust between black communities and the police | On Air Videos | Fox News

Many may have missed the fact that FoxNews reported this as an unsubstantiated rumor. CNN and MSNBC both reported it as fact.

Well, for starters I do have admiration for Dr. Carson. He is an excellent example of someone who has used his brain helped by affirmative action programs to succeed. He was an excellent surgeon. I agree with some of his positions for instance that we should continue affirmative action, get guns out of urban areas, and disagree with him on other issues. My response to what to do in a riot is that I don't know. But my life's work being looted does not justify killing a looter We don't have capital punishment for looting. We don't have capital punishment for breaking windows or stealing clothing. A store window can be replaced, stolen TV's can be replaced. A life cannot be, even a life of someone who made a very wrong decision. So I want the police and the Nat Guard to protect life not stuff. There are as I understand it rules for the use of deadly force and that does not include defending the merchandise in a mini-mart. So which of these people, or perhaps all of them, would you like to have killed now?

And we are nicely back to the original issue of this thread, just shoot the looters to solve the problem.

Thanks for pointing that out.

It is difficult to have any discussion with anyone who worships one network, one newspaper, one p.....cal philosophy, etc. they are devoid of all the facts, but do not even know it. The poster found a post by me that mentions MSNBC as being among the networks reporting, and if in caps, it was because that night there was an obvious attempt to incite everyone against all police...and it was not just MSNBC that day.

All networks made gaffes on this story...some corrected theirs, some attacked the other network for theirs, and what it has to do with ANYTHING is beyond me, which is why I mentioned the poster alluding to FOX. Experience has taught that when you attack a network, avoid the issue, then you are bowing to another network.

The inaccurate reporting on all networks, to me is a national crime. I choose not to follow the rantings of those who are closed minded, and that applies to all sides. When I post on here, I post links and quotes, and never do they offer any of those mentioned networks as references, either to support, or as could be the case many times, report the errors, omissions and downright lies.

The shame is that people decide things in their mind based on one network or another.

Only thing I will add is that...yes, there is racism.

BUT it is not always present, and should not be our very first conclusion, which in most of these riots, violence, etc has been.

You make a lot of negative judgements about a lot of people, and you credit certain individuals with things.

I suggest I can offer up so much to dispute you admiration of these so called "leaders" that you quote. I suggest that you read up on all of them to just simply be aware of their history and motivation. READ both sides, and no listening...READ, double check. I will simply say that those you mention will not come even remotely close to the pedestal you put them on. The family of Martin Luther King would disagree with you. Their are TRUE civil rights leaders who get drowned out by these folks, but based on what I have read...your mind is made up...you feel you have found the "truth"

I will agree there is racism if that makes you feel better. I, however, will read all sides on any issue and treat it IN CONTEXT and based on facts.

Fox News report regarding allegation of orbital fracture:

Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source | Fox News

"Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said"

and from MSNBC

Two key details about Michael Brown's death are still unknown | MSNBC
"NBC News has confirmed that Wilson was treated at an area hospital after the altercation, but it is unclear how serious his injury or injuries were,"

and CNN
Source: Darren Wilson did not have a fractured eye socket - CNN.com Video

"A source tells CNN that officer Darren Wilson had a swollen face but did not have a fractured eye socket."

So your post that Fox called it a rumor while CNN and MSNBC ran with it as a fact does not seem to be entirely accurate. I will allow for the possibility that there were earlier reports than the ones I cite which may have differed.

Please explain what difference it makes what network is right, part right or all wrong ? What does it have to do with the issue ?

Again, your mention of FOX at the outset is what started this entire network thing. If you are getting all your "news" and information from a singular source or sources that are or have the mindset to go after another network, then, in my opinion, your voice should be stilled as you are totally uniformed.
That opinion would apply if you critiqued MSNBC as well.

IF nobody can see the inaccuracies and bias of all these networks, we are in big trouble. PLEASE, read and verify what you read or hear. Takes time but in todays world where everyone has a bias so far from center it is necessary.

:bowdown:

Wow, am I ever advantaged! :pepper2::eclipsee_gold_cup::a040::girlneener:barf

Another network weighs in..........MTV

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/vi...CtRWxWYg.email

Regarding this in a prior post making broad accusations:

"What happened recently when a very wealthy black woman, well dressed, went into a store and asked to see a very expensive purse? Was she well treated because no one saw her race, just that she shared those Judeo Christian and Protestant values? Ask Oprah."

1. This incident and the pursuant accusations of 'racial profiling' happened in Switzerland, NOT in white society in St. Louis or Central FL or the USA.

2. Oprah recanted and said it was blown out of proportion and labeled onto much too wide a segment of society--in Switzerland and it was an isolated incident in Switzerland, and that all of that nation should not be vilified, either!

Oprah Winfrey apologizes for naming Switzerland in store racism incident: I

NO needs to mean NO... And in my opinion stuff is not ever valued as much as a human life, but stuff can be a persons livelihood and it is important in that respect. Why does one side have to respect the other and not vice versa which is how this looks to me.

I do not believe for one second that this man was killed over stuff or over race. I think he attacked that police officer. BUT I could be wrong.

I could be wrong. We will wait and see.