UK response to ISIS
 

BBC News - David Cameron outlines new anti-terror measures to MPs

Apparently UK response takes threat to civilians worth attention. Should US consider action?

Apparently our congress (unlike the British) doesn't consider the issue important enough to cut its vacation short and come back to Washington to debate the use of military force.

our system of politics does not include the citizenry as it does in the UK and many other countries of the civilized world.

Our politicians priorities, all of them, is getting re-elected and making sure thier donors and special interest groups are taken care of or not offended.

On the other hand we the people here are much more tolerable of the governments failings as evidenced by the continual re-election of do nothing, politics as usual, law makers. And all elected officials rely on the apathy and non reaction of the American people.....THEY COUNT ON IT and are rarely disappointed.

We the people get what we deserve/allow.

Apparently our president has not had a class on MS&T.

The UK is seizing passports of suspected terrorists. We are past baby games in this issue. We need to quit being politically correct and deal with this issue instead of tip toeing around it.

BTK addressed my take on this issue. To expand further I believe it is a material conflict of interest for a politician to put forth his/her interests (being elected or reelected) before the demands of voters and it reinforces the need for term limits. The only way that is going to happen is if a national referendum were on the ballot forcing by law political candidates to stipulate to term limits. finding a politician to agree to proposing such a referendum

This conflict of interest not only violates the Constitution but by virtue of the fact that politicians are protecting their own interest they are neglecting important strategies to protect this country.

Simply stated!!!:BigApplause:

Please stay on topic of US/UK response to ISIS .... the majority of the posts thus far discuss general political process. If this continues, the thread will be closed.

Not much you can say here is there?

I remember a popular song when I was a little girl, when the US and the UK were fighting the Nazi's.

you tube. praise the lord and pass the ammunition - Bing Videos


I so believe in being allowed to say what is in our hearts. That is what freedom is.

I thought this thread was closed. I didn't sleep well last night I thought about the second young man slain on camera so the film could be sent to the world, but particularly us.

The United Kingdom is trying to deal with this realistically. They are taking passports from suspected terrorists. Which means of course that they are profiling.

PLEASE do not bring up the crusades. This is NOW and we are in real danger; every man, woman and child in the U.S. who is not Muslim and maybe those peaceful Muslims too.

And I just said don't bring up history, but last night as I was unable to sleep, I kept thinking...Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

1. The President does have the constitutional authority to call congress into session if he feels it is important.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/...raSessions.pdf

2. Congress is asking for action and plans despite on recess.

"In the wake of ISIS’s latest alleged killing of an American journalist, leading lawmakers from both parties are calling for a bigger role in the U.S. war against the terrorist group.

Leading lawmakers in charge of foreign policy reacted Tuesday to the reported beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff by increasing their calls for more congressional involvement and oversight of President Obama’s war on ISIS.

The latest apparent ISIS atrocity against an American citizen added to the congressional anger at the Obama administration for what many critics call an incomplete and unclear plan to confront the group both in Iraq and Syria, ....."

After Steven Sotloff Murder, Congress Demands a Vote on Obama

I, frankly, support the President insuring a master plan is together....that is based on the premise that he will have a plan to first of all as is his JOB....secure the borders here to insure the threat does not reach our shores. This is his first and primary job and it concerns me greatly that there is no more said about this.

Also, despite those who professed here yesterday that the middle east and Iraq specifically was a calm nice place prior to our invasion of 2003, this violence in the area has been going on for centuries......Iraq has invaded countries, used gas on its citizens, etc well before we even saw the lights of Baghdad. Syria has been killing its own children for years now. Point is that this violence is not new and our threats are not going to scare anyone away.

Secure our country first in a serious and meaningful way and do it so everyone is aware we are doing it.

Then come together and decide even though it will not get votes, the best thing FOR OUR COUNTRY is a long term commitment of some kind to insure that these radical groups cannot get a foothold. As I said many times...we live in a very small world now, and the protection of our country is now something that does not stop at our borders.

In my opinion, we cannot walk away from this. This region has been bloody and dangerous for so many years.....we need a presence there, even if we do not like that idea. Our absence is, has, will cause so many vacuums for these groups to fill that it will become so much more dangerous. And, trust me...these groups WILL COME HERE FIRST CHANCE. If you do not believe that....if you believe we can live in this modern world as on an island, well.....I just do not know what to say.

This being added later...the above is long term and must be supplemented by saying that we need to raise h.ll at the UN..I am not speaking of making statements but a real firestorm of demands for action. The support I give to the President is on the assumption he is putting together a coalition much like we did when Iraq invaded Kuwait and President GW Bush was able to put together a coalition. This particular coalition will require a lot more freedom of action and thus becomes a bit more difficult.

In the mean time...use the allowance in Iraq to bomb whatever ISIS locations into obliviion. Get Iraq back under control and then concentrate on Syria, which is much more tricky at this point.

Response to Graciegirl
I too had a restless and sleepless night due my thoughts repeatedly "replaying" the barbaric acts being perpetrated by ISIS with impunity. Beheading, crucifixion and other horrific ways by which to kill their enemies underscores ISIS contempt for "non believers". This tidal wave of death and destruction is headed our way, and my sleeplessness was driven by fear and a feeling of helplessness. Sadly, I sense our country is adrift with no solution to this horror. "Leader" in the dictionary is : a person or thing that leads. and a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group. Think what is to come in a very few years. A mere 30 years ago, terrorism was something which occurred "somewhere else", certainly not in America. What do we have to "look forward to" in the next 30 years. With many of us being in our sixties, our futures do not look as bright and shining, carefree and comfortable as we once thought.

I understand your feelings Sandra. I kept thinking about the images I saw awhile back of Muslims blocking traffic in London. And wonder why?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/sites/default/...is-streets.jpg

In the UK (and USA) officials are elected by their constituants and represent the wishes of that community. Thus the majority populace legally elect their own officials. Sharia Law is now adopted into the British Legal system. Some cities legally bar non believers from entering those designated areas posted with "Sharia Law

Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs - Telegraph

This is a factual response to a question raised on this thread of "why" and is not a slur or insult aimed at anyone. To quote Rodney King "Why can't we all just get along"

"SLOW DOWN' ---- I am a Muslim and dont like your bashing all Muslims --------- I am asking the moderator to close down this post -----if the same old people who have a great hatred for all Muslims--do not stop bashing ALL Musllims --- I do not hate all Christians

Please forgive me for being skeptical.

Many stir the pot posts on here. Many directed at ME particularly.

Again, hope for meaningful discussion of a topical and important event in today's news and in history is thwarted.

I understand that. It isn't right that some will do anything to stop a topic that is on all of our minds. If you read back on posts from posters who ONLY want to stir the pot, you see the same over and over and over. Disagreement with topics that most people here agree with.

I am going to look up what Contrarian means. And I will bump Sandra's post. By the way Shrandell is an American Citizen born in the U.K.

bumping back to topic.

Posting a picture that shows the reality is a reason to close down the thread? A reaction like that is symptomatic of the problem.

Re Gracie:
Sometimes I just really wish this site had a "like" button, a la Facebook!

As a Muslim may we hear your views on the recent ISIS beheading of Americans?
And their intent to do more as well as killing as many Americans as they can?

Still waiting for a reply BTK?...

Thank You

I think TexaninVA's point was regarding the desire to close down the thread as a reaction to posting a picture that speaks a thousand words.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE with you. It's amazing to me that our leaders are so completely unprepared and caught off guard on this subject. As it so happens I watched a show on Cinemax last night called THE UNTOLD HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. It was very interesting to see the negative portrayal of both of our last 2 presidents on foreign policy issues. Take a look if you get a chance. I guess thats what we get when we have no objective criteria for candidates for public office in order to qualify to run.

The silence is deafening!

Methinks that post was one of those used on this site to derail adult conversation if subject is drifting contrary to those of their "affiliations" !

Kudos to admin for trying to allow adult conversation on current events as long as possible in the face of people becoming "flamers" in lieu of having honest, non affiliated conversations.

Keep in mind that while we all concentrate on Iraq and Syria, that the evil and turmoil is world wide.

This is VERY scary....in Libya....commercial airplanes taken by terrorists....I am not by nature an alarmist, but wonder why not much is being made in the USA about this...the media I am speaking of...

"Libyan Islamist rebels pose with planes seized from Tripoli airport as U.S. officials warn they could be used to carry out terrorist attack on 9/11 anniversary"

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"September 11 not only marks the anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center but it will also be the second anniversary of the raid of the U.S. Ambassador's compound in Benghazi, Libya.

Four Americans were killed in the attack, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

Ansar al-Shariah, the group Washington holds responsible for the attack, have also seized parts of the Libyan capital and are known to work with terrorists from ISIS."

I haven't seen this but I read the reviews/ratings on imdb.com and I intend to watch it. I like facts just as any other thinking person should. HOWEVER,

I see in the reviewers 10-star reviews this burning desire to DIVIDE us all--half on the left and half on the right--and mockery with the words "hey all you rush-bots" etc. shows the obvious slant and agenda with which the series was made. The synopses say that this exposes BOTH partisan sides' guilt, but I think we know Oliver Stone's slant. That said,

When are people going to wake up and heed what Lincoln and other forefathers of this great nation said, based on the admonition so aptly recorded in the words of Christ in the Gospel of Mark, and reiterated in Lincoln's most famous speech and passage:

"The best-known passage of Lincoln's speech is:

A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free."

"Origins of the phrase "House Divided"

In Mark 3:25, Jesus states, "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand", in response to the scribes' claim that "by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils."

Also, in the gospel of Matthew 12:25, KJV:

25 And Je'sus knew their thoughts, and said unto him, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Thomas Hobbes, in his 1651 Leviathan (Chapter 18), stated that, "a kingdom divided in itself cannot stand."

In Thomas Paine's 1776 Common Sense, his description of the composition of Monarchy, "this hath all the distinctions of a house divided against itself . . ."

During the War of 1812 a line appeared in a letter from Abigail Adams to Mercy Otis Warren: "... A house divided upon itself - and upon that foundation do our enemies build their hopes of subduing us."

The "house divided" phrase had been used by Lincoln himself in another context in 1843.

Most famously, eight years before Lincoln's speech, during the Senate debate on the Compromise of 1850, Sam Houston had proclaimed: "A nation divided against itself cannot stand."
(wikipedia)

STOP trying to divide us or we'll all hang together as "The Exterminated"!
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We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.

Benjamin Franklin

That's the answer, seize the passports of US citizens suspected of being terrorists. That would have stopped Douglas McAuthur McCain from San Diego, from joining ISIS and being killed last week. Certainly a known terrorist name by any account.

Last count I saw was 120 US bombing missions on ISIS. How many have the Brits flown? They have more UK citizens in ISIS than we do and say there is an imminent threat to the UK. So they are grabbing passports? Big deal. Don't they have the RAF?

As disgusting as the death of 2 Americans is, ISIS has killed thousands of people in their reign of terror. The vast majority are Muslims. So how do you feel about that? Ratio probably 800 to1 Muslims versus US citizens killed.

I slept extremely well last night!

Most of us are appropriately concerned. I imagine that the villager whose grandson was killed in the Boston Marathon bombing and whose little granddaughter had her leg blown off did not rest well.

If the nationality of those murdered is the single most important thing to prompt action then we can relax until they get to us I suppose. WOW..no more worrying about the children of the world being murdered...Russia/Ukraine is not a problem any longer. We just wait until it is our turn.

And those christians murdered by them I suppose you are counting as Muslims to make your point ?

Thanks

I would most certainly think that all US government facilities worldwide - and the military - are prepared for anything that may come on this Sept. 11 and will be standing by on the highest alert levels.

The NSA and other agencies will be listening to increased chatter levels and hopefully be prepared. It is not a good idea, in my opinion, to let it be known to the general public that increased chatter has been detected or how preparations are being made. Too much information gives the enemy the information, too.

If you still can't sleep, take an Ambien - but only one! :faint:

"I would most certainly think that all US government facilities worldwide - and the military - are prepared for anything that may come on this Sept. 11 and will be standing by on the highest alert levels. "
Wish I shared your confidence...historically our enemies have struck in the most original and dare I say unexpected/unanticipated ways imaginable. Time will tell

This does not make sense. We are not being prepared? Yet are enemies strike in unexpected/unanticipated ways.........how do we prepare for that?
What do you propose? Or are you just rambling?

My post begins with "wish I shared your confidence ".

Well said, BTK.

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Yes, leadership is about the next generation, but it is also about now. I am counting on this POTUS to execute a well thought out plan that considers all contingencies and exit strategies.
Germany is arming the Kurds. Al Qaeda has no use for ISIS, and world opinion is against them and their cause. I would not risk one more American soldier for these radicals that have fought for centuries. We have sent our troops into slaughter and trauma for people unwilling to stop ideological/theological wars amongst themselves. When will it end? It is so tempting to send in a Minotaur IV with an exciting payload and be done with it. Glass the place. Unfortunately, this scenario would only cause others to rise up to resume the fight. All we can do is hope that the think tanks can work out a solution for this horrible mess...if there is a solution.