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dewilson58 12-30-2014 05:31 PM
Packing Pastor
 
Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.

Officials say Parangan was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

Deputies are investigating the shooting as a case of self-defense. Authorities say charges are pending against Parangan.

Earlier this month, Pastor James "Tripp" Battle was fatally shot at his Bradenton church.


And they don't reserve seats in his church either.

dbussone 12-30-2014 05:39 PM
Reminds me of the Clint Eastwood movie. Pale Rider

sunnyatlast 12-30-2014 08:53 PM
Sounds like a crazy situation, but the pastor probably knew the employee quite well and knew how volatile the employee is, and thus the pastor packed accordingly. Firing people is dangerous nowadays. Even if the pastor had fired him in the presence of police, the guy could have come back later at any time on a shooting rampage.

Jimturner 12-31-2014 05:13 AM
And fortunately the paster had the good since to carry.

ureout 12-31-2014 07:30 AM
really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired

The20Percent 12-31-2014 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 988127)
really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired

Yes, he was very smart to be carrying his weapon and even smarter to use it to protect his own life. Thanks to this pastors quick reaction in using his carry weapon, this raged shooter did not get the opportunity to fire anymore bullets into the pastor or into any children in the day care facility, be it by accident or not.

MikeV 12-31-2014 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 988127)
really....he was smart to carry a weapon???? you do know they reported that there was a day care facility there also...luckily no children were shot from the stray bullets that were fired

Ah, yup!

Sandtrap328 12-31-2014 10:19 AM
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?

dewilson58 12-31-2014 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 988211)
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?

And that mother gives her two year old keys to the golf cart and she reserves chairs at SS.

dbussone 12-31-2014 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 988211)
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?



It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.



Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.



Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?

Yes they do. There are numerous examples every month. Perhaps you should subscribe to the NRA monthly magazine. Might open your eyes.

Chi-Town 12-31-2014 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 988211)
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
Another Darwin Award candidate to close out 2014.

ureout 12-31-2014 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The20Percent (Post 988169)
Yes, he was very smart to be carrying his weapon and even smarter to use it to protect his own life. Thanks to this pastors quick reaction in using his carry weapon, this raged shooter did not get the opportunity to fire anymore bullets into the pastor or into any children in the day care facility, be it by accident or not.
first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt

dbussone 12-31-2014 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 988283)
first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt
If the police are called to assist in firing someone, I doubt they would come. Let's say they did though, what is the person who did the firing supposed to do thereafter? Ask for permanent bodyguards from the police? So maybe your kids are not around when something happens, but someone else probably will be when the individual returns. I seriously doubt this was the first time the pastor had fired his weapon.

dbussone 12-31-2014 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 988283)
first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt
Let's change things up a bit. What if your kids were in that school and someone entered the school with the intent of harming the children and had a weapon. Would you still not want anyone around who was carrying?

janmcn 12-31-2014 02:47 PM
The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!

dewilson58 12-31-2014 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 988339)
The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!
A lot of times over the last 50 years, I needed protection from myself.

:22yikes::22yikes:

lamplighter 12-31-2014 02:57 PM
Something happens...we only learn a few facts....but humans are good story tellers...we fill in the blanks ...

dbussone 12-31-2014 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 988339)
The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!
Please provide the source data for your supposition.

Serenoa 12-31-2014 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 988339)
The person most likely to be shot by your gun is you, which is why you need a gun, to protect yourself from yourself.

The best article in the NRA magazine last year was about the Tennessee man who was trying to holster his gun while driving down the road and shot off his *****. OUCH!!!
He must have been a sharpshooter to hit something so small.

Everyone knows that most gun nuts are just.....compensating.

patfla06 01-04-2015 02:42 AM
Wasn't surprised to hear the Pastor was packing when I
heard it was in Poinciana.

skip0358 01-04-2015 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 988283)
first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt
So with the schools that are starting to let Teachers & Principals carry you wouldn't want your kids going there? How many students could be hurt by a crazed nut job before 911 was called and arrived ? Someone pulls a gun on you bang your dead. Besides I really don't blame the Pastor for carrying there's money to be had in churches and who would expect him to be carrying. JMO

Sandtrap328 01-04-2015 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 989996)
So with the schools that are starting to let Teachers & Principles carry you wouldn't want your kids going there? JMO
If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".

skip0358 01-04-2015 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 990039)
If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".
So I spelled it wrong! Actually spell check corrected it! I didn't say I agreed with it just that it's starting to happen and IF your school does it you can't stop sending your child there. You have no idea how many people are packing a piece and where they might be including church. That's what I'm saying.

graciegirl 01-04-2015 10:21 AM
Sandtrap you won't change anyone's mind who feels the need to own and carry a gun.

I am 75 years old and none of my teachers, nor any of my pastors or sunday school teachers felt the need to carry a gun. Glad I got here when I did, and seem to be scheduled to leave at the right time too.

I don't have one, but I may see the need to change my mind.

No use arguing....Take it on a case to case basis.

We are very safe here, but when we had all those break in's I had to think that those young punks were foolin' with the wrong group.

dewilson58 01-04-2015 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 990091)
Sandtrap you won't change anyone's mind who feels the need to own and carry a gun.

I am 75 years old and none of my teachers, nor any of my pastors or sunday school teachers felt the need to carry a gun. Glad I got here when I did, and seem to be scheduled to leave at the right time too.

I don't have one, but I may see the need to change my mind.

No use arguing....Take it on a case to case basis.

We are very safe here, but when we had all those break in's I had to think that those young punks were foolin' with the wrong group.

You're correct, this is "one of those topics" where it is difficult to change minds. I don't know if my pastors or teachers carried, I think I might be surprised. I'm glad my sixth grade teacher didn't carry, I KNOW she would have shot me..........spanking was not enough. :a040::a040:

Glad in this situation, it worked out.

billethkid 01-04-2015 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 988211)
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
The isolated incident is so noted!

How about wondering how a two year old knew how to hold, aim and shoot.
I suspect like too many modern families there is very little control over what kids watch or hear any more. And of course the worst crime of all using the television as a baby sitter.

Acknowledge the isolated incident and let's do something about the real problem of how our permissive society, do not deny anybody anything don't upset anybody and above all there shall be little or no enforcement.

Yes, I would like to know how a two year old knows what to do with a gun!!!

And yes a packing pastor demonstrates the wisdom of his decision. As well as being ready to protect his flock as and if ever needed.

bluedog103 01-04-2015 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 987896)
Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.

And they don't reserve seats in his church either.
This time a good guy had a weapon too. All too often it's only the bad guys.

Jimturner 01-04-2015 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 987896)
Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.



Officials say Parangan was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

Deputies are investigating the shooting as a case of self-defense. Authorities say charges are pending against Parangan.

Earlier this month, Pastor James "Tripp" Battle was fatally shot at his Bradenton church.


And they don't reserve seats in his church either.
I love a story with a happy ending.

Jimturner 01-04-2015 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 990039)
If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".
Not as quick or as often as a nut bag will assault a school where no one can defend the children.

Loudoll 01-04-2015 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 988211)
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
Did the pastor save his own life by shooting the guy who tried to kill him? This is a yes or no question.

Loudoll 01-04-2015 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 988211)
Did anyone read the article on Fox news site that a two year old killed his mother?

It seems that the 29 year old mom had a loaded pistol in her purse. The child was sitting in the shopping cart, rummaged through mom's purse, found the pistol, and shot mom - killing her. This took place in a Walmart in Idaho.

Yep, the mom had a concealed carry permit.

Yep, those pistols really save lives, don't they?
The two year old did not have a permit to carry, sorry. No points.

Loudoll 01-04-2015 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ureout (Post 988283)
first let me start by saying i'm not against an individual having a concealed weapon permit....what I am against is that they are carrying the weapon where my kids are being cared for.....if he was carrying it because he thought there may be a problem when he fired this individual he should have called the police in for help.....he (rambo) just got real lucky no one else was hurt
So you don't want your kids protected?

billethkid 01-04-2015 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 990039)
If teachers are allowed to carry pistols, just how soon would it be that a student gets the teacher's gun and kills a teacher or a student? Or that a teacher has a really bad day and starts shooting students?

By the way, look up "principle" vs. "principal".
While doing the research be sure to include the incidents of soldiers shooting soldiers or police shooting police.

Does it happen? Of course....ISOLATED INCIDENTS.....do not a case make!

If none of us ever left the house we will be much safer than the rest of you who venture into the unknown. And we would only be subject to all the things that could happen to us in the home. The operative word "could". Reality? Go out and enjoy life with the other risk takers who are facing the world.....and all that "could" happen out there.

Isolated incidents just do not form how we live our lives or affect the decisions we make. Worthy of note and be aware....of course.

Monkei 01-06-2015 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 987896)
Florida pastor shoots armed former employee

KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say the pastor of a central Florida church shot and wounded an employee during a gunfight after the employee learned he was being fired.

The Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a news release that Living Water Fellowship Church Pastor Terry Howell had been meeting with maintenance worker Benjamin Parangan Tuesday to terminate Parangan's employment with the Kissimmee church.

Witnesses say Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Howell. He wasn't hurt but returned fire with his own weapon and hit Parangan.

Officials say Parangan was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

Deputies are investigating the shooting as a case of self-defense. Authorities say charges are pending against Parangan.

Earlier this month, Pastor James "Tripp" Battle was fatally shot at his Bradenton church.


And they don't reserve seats in his church either.
Why can't some of these guys target the Pat Robertson's of this world? Or any of the other hundreds of TV pastors who make a buck off religion but still practice the speech of hate.

sunnyatlast 01-06-2015 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 991532)
Why can't some of these guys target the Pat Robertson's of this world? Or any of the other hundreds of TV pastors who make a buck off religion but still practice the speech of hate.
Is that supposed to be tolerant and accepting speech????

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

dbussone 01-06-2015 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 991533)
Is that supposed to be tolerant and accepting speech????



:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

Amen.

Sandtrap328 01-07-2015 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 990187)
While doing the research be sure to include the incidents of soldiers shooting soldiers or police shooting police.

Does it happen? Of course....ISOLATED INCIDENTS.....do not a case make!

If none of us ever left the house we will be much safer than the rest of you who venture into the unknown. And we would only be subject to all the things that could happen to us in the home. The operative word "could". Reality? Go out and enjoy life with the other risk takers who are facing the world.....and all that "could" happen out there.

Isolated incidents just do not form how we live our lives or affect the decisions we make. Worthy of note and be aware....of course.
Exactly right! School shootings are so isolated that they do not form the good basis for teachers or principals to carry pistols.

dbussone 01-07-2015 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 991675)
Exactly right! School shootings are so isolated that they do not form the good basis for teachers or principals to carry pistols.
If even one incident is avoided or minimized, it IS worth it to me.

Sandtrap328 01-07-2015 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 991680)
If even one incident is avoided or minimized, it IS worth it to me.
...and if even one incident is caused or heightened in some way by a teacher carrying a pistol - will THAT be worth it?

billethkid 01-07-2015 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 991690)
...and if even one incident is caused or heightened in some way by a teacher carrying a pistol - will THAT be worth it?
does that "in some way" logic apply to police? How about all the hunters with guns in the fields among us?


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