Illegal Immigant Welfare Benefits
 

This is NOT a political post - This is an informational post! Please keep politics to the political site.

It seems as many believe that illegal immigrants to the US contribute nothing and are just takers of our welfare system. Read the attached link from CNN Money from 2014. 5 immigration myths debunked - Nov. 20, 2014

This excerpt from Politifact gives some more information, "Another theme we've seen: that illegal immigrants are freeloaders taking advantage of federal welfare programs.

Those types of charges are often repeated in anonymous chain e-mails, on blogs and Facebook.

"More than 43 percent of all food stamps are given to illegals," said a typical claim, this one from a Facebook post promoting "10 Illegal Alien Facts."

When PolitiFact researched the numbers, though, we found the claim ridiculously false and rated it Pants on Fire. About 46.4 million people receive food stamps, so 43 percent of that number would be just under 20 million. That significantly exceeds estimates for how many illegal immigrants are in the country. The Pew Hispanic Center put the number at 11.2 million in 2010.

On top of that, most social welfare programs bar illegal immigrants from receiving benefits and require proof of immigration status. That includes food stamps, as well as cash welfare assistance, Medicaid, and even the new health care law.

It's true that some children of illegal immigrants qualify for benefits if they were born in the United States and are citizens. (Critics derisively call them "anchor babies.") But there aren't nearly enough of those types of children -- an estimated 4 million -- to account for 43 percent of food stamp recipients.

Another claim is that illegal immigrants dominate public housing run by the U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department, or HUD. "Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties in the U.S. are illegals," the Facebook post said.

That statement too earned a Pants on Fire, because it would require half of all illegal immigrants in the country to live in that housing. And again, HUD requires proof of legal status.

Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-immigration group America's Voice, said that these kinds of anonymous attacks aren't typical of the public's views of illegal immigrants, but they are out there.

"Polling shows that attitudes toward immigration are improving. But the people who don’t like it are really nasty," he said. "The haters have gotten more intense."


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You will see that they do pay into our Social Security and most will never collect from it. You will see that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps - unless they have an American born child. You will see they do not take jobs from American workers.

Do some Googling research and you will find that the illegal immigrants are not a drain on our welfare system.

Thank you for sharing this very interesting information.

Yes, thank you for helping to debunk these myths. But some people won't see the truth even when it's smack dab in front of their face. I wonder how long it will take for the haters to get on this thread and voice their propaganda.

Is it not enough to just be opposed to _illegal_ immigration because...well...it's illegal?

You post says "More than 43 percent of all FOOD STAMPS are given to illegals". Then PolitiFact talks about the number of RECIPIENTS. If one guy gets $100 worth of food stamps and another get $200... wouldn't that mean that 50% of the recipients are receiving 66% of the stamps?
How about this... even 1% is too much.
Oh... wait... this must be some of that "hater propaganda."

Typical far-left propaganda that illegals somehow benefit the US. Nice try. :1rotfl:


"In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar."

Too bad that the house of representatives passed the 'clean' bill to fund the department of homeland security today. This was the congress best chance to defund Obama's illegal immigration order. Speaker Boehner lead them over that cliff, and they caved.

You don't seem to understand that people object to Immigartion that is done illegally

Illegal means against the law

Like its a no-no ... as in don't do that

After some one stands in line and enters the US legally (read that last word again) then we can talk about cost/benefits contribution etc

I LOVE your post!

Sometimes it's necessary to talk to liberals like they're 4-yr-olds! EXCELLENT avoidance of the use of big words that would just soar over their heads anyway.


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Just a reminder, for those who didn't grasp the concept of the thread, the original post wasn't a political post about whether or not people are here legally, or whether you object to their presence or not. It was to present facts showing that immigrants do contribute to the US in their services, labor and tax contributions, and that propaganda about taking from the welfare system is just that, propaganda. In other words, just setting the record straight. Oops, too many long words. Sorry.

Just a reminder... What you posted was a fairy tale fantasy of the far-left... that illegals somehow "help" the average US taxpayer. That is pure political fantasy.

You posting FANTASY as fact is what Obama does, and I have come to expect it from democrats. The TRUTH is illegal immigrants are a HUGE net DRAIN on US taxpayers as posted previously.

No, your words are not too long ... just reflective of the confusion with which you approach this "non-political " topic

Also, just so you know, there is no tooth fairy either

While we are being distracted to all the positives of illegal immigration (sounds oxymoronish).....how about some of the supporters of ILLEGAL immigration prepare a disertation on why it is OK to allow hundreds of thousands to come across the boarder without so much as a question being asked?

Please include why it is OK that those who enforce the boarder are continually being directed to look the other way?

And last of all enlighten us about how this open boarder keeps those who would kill the likes of any one of us when they get the chance.

Feel free to use as much back up material as the original post above.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Obviously just a hater (with bad spelling).

How about some commentary about the subject of illegal immigration VS doing it the right way (LEGAL)?

You KNOW you're RIGHT when their comeback involves mis-spelling a word or where a comma should be inserted!

:1rotfl:

So far the only facts supported by a reputable source are those posted by the OP. The rest of it is just a bunch of small minded opinions that sound like regurgitated faux news. Yawn.

So far no response from the supporters of this administration regarding why it is OK for the open border allowing thousands to come across without a question. And why it is OK to all but eliminate enforcement.

You must still be doing your homework.

If you have a grandparent who emigrated to this country 100 years ago, what were the requirements for entry at that time? How much education and training and English was needed? Was your grandparent from an ethnic group that was blamed by the WASP majority for excess crime, low IQ, poor housing upkeep, refusal to give up their old country ways, being dirty and smelly and stuck taking menial jobs? And within one or two generations, did they not mostly produce children who have melted into the American melting pot? And were our borders slammed shut for reasonable economic reasons or xenophobia and bigotry?

Are you zealots ready to change our quotas to allow a few million a year to enter this country "legally" or are you determined to keep the fences up? When people enter this country without authorization they are not "illegal" people. Their action was illegal and the adjective your side has chosen tells much about your perception. And much about the empathy you display toward those who had the courage and determination to try to better their lives and those of their families.

I also noted that discrepancy in the numbers. However I think Politifact was saying that it would be unreasonable to assume that all 11 million illegals are receiving food stamps, and even if they were, they would each have to be receiving an astonishingly large amount to make the 43% number believable.

Here are some numbers I got from the GAO. About 46 million people a month get food stamps. The average amount each receives is about $125.

10.3% are Hispanic. (about 4.75 million) Let's unrealistically assume that all 4.75 million of those Hispanics are illegal. They would each have to collect $520 a month ($400 above average) in food stamps for them to account for 43% of the total. That's probably why the 43% number is considered laughably ridiculous.

But, since you would be dissatisfied with even 1% waste, I can see that this won't placate you. Please let me know when you find ANY program, public or private, that can achieve 100% efficiency.

The words are being twisted again to suit a purpose. The law dictates what is legal or illegal. Before the political correctness crowd tried to put a shine on the illeagality by calling it something else the term used most often was illegal aliens. Then more shine to call it illegal immigration. And now the latest push is to try to eliminate the fact of the matter by removing any reference to illegal.

If they did not get the proper documentation like many of our lineage did when coming into this country, then the entry is illegal. The person doing so is an illegal immigrant....no matter how you cut it or paint it or want to make it something else.

NOBODY is denying anybody the right to seek a better life....we only insist it be done legally as it has and still is for the majority coming here.

Why is it OK for hundreds of thousands to come across the border every day without any documentation?With not even having to go through a checkpoint?
Why is the boarder patrol being coerced to not enfoce the laws of entry.
Why are those who are breaking the law entitled to benefits that our own citizens do not have access to getting.
Why is it OK to have an open border policy that literally allows terrorists that are intent on killing Americans come in freely?

Why is all the above OK.

The silence on the matter is deafening except for the party faithful rhetoric that has not one thing to do with the reality of the issue. The supporters are obvious in their reluctance to answer why it is OK with them.

I do hope the supporters know and understand that you, your family and neighbors do not get a free pass from those who would come here to kill us all....you and your loved ones would be in the carnage along with the other innocents. You do know they don't care if you are a dem or what ever.....right.

Why is that OK?

We've got people talking about different things here. The OP was about the fallacy of illegals getting huge amounts from our welfare system. That some illegals get some benefit from our welfare system is probably true. That they are a huge drain on it is probably untrue.

In rebuttal others have posted about the net drain on the US taxpayer for providing schools, roads, police protection, fire protection, etc. to illegal households. That is probably also true. Although I wonder how many roads and parks etc. we've built for their exclusive use.

And while $200 a year per adult taxpayer (that's how much their $14,000 tax deficit per illegal household comes to.) isn't something to sneeze at, I don't think it's a "HUGE DRAIN" on taxpayers.

In the end the two arguments are not apples to apples.

I wasn’t sure what you meant by the word “hater” in this context, so I looked it up in the Liberal Lexicon of Loony Lingo.

Here’s how it’s defined: when you can’t respond intelligently to a point made by a nutjob, right wing, faux news fan, simply call them a “hater.” It makes no sense of course, and is not true, but as Saul would say “who cares?” Also, if “hater” doesn’t work, then try “racist,” or “extremist.” If all else fails, then point to someone else, like George W. Bush, and blame it on him.

How feverish is your psyche today?

There are hundreds of thousands a day? Foolishness not just hyperbole. Revealing the complete unfocused exaggeration of this situation in your brain. Since the Reagan amnesty there have been an estimated additional 12 million undocumented immigrants.

I will not be pulled into the liberal defective traps. Simply stated illegals are illegals and they should be sent back home. America has a number of programs available to bring in legal immigrants and programs to help them secure jobs, get temporary assistance.

By arguing for illegals you essentially are agreeing to force taxpayers to support people who have not earned their way to be Americans. You are placing the country in a dangerous position because you have no way of knowing who is crossing the border.

If you are parents working hard to raise a family the last thing you need are squatters taking over your home and demanding you continue to work and work harder to support them

All of our economic social problems are being drained and soon these programs will collapse.

Send them back and let them take their kids with them even if they entered illegal but had a child here. In other words if you want your kids to be citizens then work toward legally entering America.

Haven't we learned anything from Europe's immigration problems

My post:

Why is it OK for hundreds of thousands to come across the border every day without any documentation?With not even having to go through a checkpoint?
Why is the boarder patrol being coerced to not enfoce the laws of entry.
Why are those who are breaking the law entitled to benefits that our own citizens do not have access to getting.
Why is it OK to have an open border policy that literally allows terrorists that are intent on killing Americans come in freely?

Why is all the above OK.

OK so I got the typing ahead of my wording. We both know that is not what was the intent. Remove the red words above.

A little more than weary of labeling, demeaning, name calling, wrong conclusions and re-stating to suit the never ever devisive agenda.

Hence forth posts with the tyical ear marks for aggitation will not be engaged. It has progressed from a challenge to humorous to untolerable non engaging BS.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Ok please share your wisdom with us ... what is your recommended daily quota of illegal aliens that should be allowed to illegally enter the country each day ( hint: the correct answer is zero)

Why did Speaker Boehner refuse to bring the comprehensive immigration bill, which was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support out of the senate in 2013, to the floor for a vote? This bill, if passed, would have corrected so many issues like border security while giving immigrants already in the US a pathway to citizenship.

At the time he said he wouldn't be able to abide by the Hastert rule, ie needing democratic support to pass. Guess what, yesterday he broke the Hastert rule when he needed democratic support to pass the 'clean' homeland security funding bill.

Apparently, republicans never want to win back the White House because it is becoming mathematically impossible with such a small bloc of voters.

This is 100% true. But it costs money to send them back home. Every year all the money that is appropriated for deportations is spent. If Congress appropriated more funds, more illegals would be deported. At the current rate it would take 20 years to deport the illegals that are already here.

Blame Congress for not providing the funds.

Getting "rid" of illegals is so simple and won't cost US taxpayers a dime. ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS against hiring illegal aliens through the existing E-Verify System. If an employer is found to have hired an illegal alien, his first fine is $25,000, second is $100,000 and third is $500,000. I guarantee no business is willing to hire an individual (that is not verifiable through E-Verify) if the fines for noncompliance are steep enough. (I just picked those numbers out of the air as an example.)

Illegal aliens will self-deport looking for work elsewhere. Adios! :wave:

An easy solution that is already in practice and obviously nobody objects is to copy and implement Mexico's immigration policies and enforcement.

From the Center for American Progress:

"expanding it for use in every business presents a number of logistical and costly problems."

• 770,000 legally authorized Americans would lose their jobs because of errors in the system.
• Another 1.2 million to 3.5 million Americans would have to visit a Social Security Administration office to fix erroneous information to avoid losing their jobs. CAP estimates this will cost $190 in lost wages and transportation per person—a jobs tax on ordinary Americans.
• If made mandatory, E-Verify would decrease federal tax revenue by $17.3 billion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
• Mandatory E-Verify would cost small businesses $2.6 billion a year, according to a recent Bloomberg Government study.
• The Department of Homeland Security estimates it would require $765 million to $838 million over four years to operate E-Verify.
• The Social Security Administration estimates it would require $281 million over five years to operate E-Verify.
• While the purpose of E-Verify is to detect unauthorized workers, E-Verify does not do its job: 54 percent of unauthorized workers for whom E-Verify checks were run were erroneously confirmed as being work-authorized.
• This means that even though businesses follow the law and use E-Verify, they could have unauthorized workers


So I guess maybe it's not so simple and cost effective.

Let us do the easiest and most cost effective first.

Stop hiring illegals today. Cost nothing.

Stop allowing the open border policy. No cost.

Enforce existing immigration laws. No cost.

Then budget the closing of the border. Yes, a fence that forces any and all to come through the official gates. Then budget what work force it takes to man the new barrier, effectively.

I do not understand why the border crossing enforcements are different depending on location.

There is absolutely no rational reason for allowing the hords to come in to our country as easily as we pass through state to state as USA citizens.

The problem is easy to fix. However it starts with wanting to fix it....which we obviously do not.

You are talking about one of Gary Morse's (may he RIP) favorite hiring sources. Who will ever forget the day that ICE pulled the bus up to TDS Cement and loaded up 50 people and took them off to an undisclosed location.

Probably took them to the welfare office, then Obamacare, then enrolled their illegal children in school! :1rotfl:

WOW! We all know how incompetent government is, but man that just reinforces my belief that private enterprise is the answer. I'd outsource E-Verify to a private profit-driven company and that mess would be straightened out in no time.

In essence, E-Verify is nothing more than a large database (of legal workers). Hmmm...can anyone think of a successful company that maintains a large, secure database? There are thousands!

Get government out of EVERYTHING!

Thanks for posting that information about how incompetent our government is. Unfortunate, but not at all surprising.

How competent are they at getting your welfare check (Social Security) out to you every month?

Get the government out of paying for your knee replacement, back surgeries, and heart valves and buy your own with your own money.

I'm the poster you're referencing and I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

Social Security should be privatized - google the country of Chile and how they took their bankrupt social security private and see for yourself how it is now flourishing.

Medicare is medical welfare for seniors - never understood it. Why not create medicare for children who have their entire lives AHEAD of them? :confused:

And yes, I have worked hard, saved, and would be happy to pay for healthcare in exchange for eliminating my HUGE tax load. Let Americans keep more of THEIR hard earned money and let them make the choice to purchase or not purchase things. (I'm VERY libertarian.)

Since we paid our money into Social Security and and paid our share into Medicare for many, many, many years we are only collecting what is rightly ours.

How about a chant about the growth by multi millions of food stamp recipients and other welfare programs....being paid to far too many who do not have one dime invested.

And paid for by the rest of us who worked and are working most of our entire life.

For social security and medicare the government just happens to be the bank doing a payout as required.......

The continual reference to SS and medicare as a government hand out is just another political red herring.