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janmcn 03-12-2015 05:52 PM

Villages Expansion in Marion County
 
According to the on-line news, The Villages is annexing 64 acres in Marion County just south of 42 and will build 300 new homes there. This was announced by Gary Moyer at a District 4 meeting last night.

The new area will be golf cart accessible and have their own rec centers and pools. Additional shopping is planned for that area. Read all about it in a recent article.

Bizdoc 03-12-2015 06:05 PM

Well, so much for the well worn "they'll never build again in Marion County" declaration.

TheVillageChicken 03-12-2015 06:26 PM

Just what I needed...another few hundred folks wanting to play Nancy Lopez.

villager 03-12-2015 06:40 PM

And we had our own little piece of paradise here in the North - no awful traffic, Publix not crazy crowded, quiet, etc. I will enjoy some additional restaurants and/or shopping, though.

xcaligirl 03-12-2015 06:47 PM

Additional shopping and restaurants will be nice... :-)

rdhdleo 03-12-2015 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by villager (Post 1027658)
And we had our own little piece of paradise here in the North - no awful traffic, Publix not crazy crowded, quiet, etc. I will enjoy some additional restaurants and/or shopping, though.

I agree!
Yes we did, sigh....... maybe it won't be bad, time till tell. I'm fine with driving to other restaurants and shopping, Truly hope we don't end up with the congestion they have north of 466. :(

Jim 9922 03-12-2015 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1027652)
Just what I needed...another few hundred folks wanting to play Nancy Lopez.

And NO talk of building another executive course. Crowding will be worse than on Lopez.:Screen_of_Death:

LndLocked 03-12-2015 07:36 PM

well that's a bummer

dbussone 03-12-2015 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizdoc (Post 1027642)
Well, so much for the well worn "they'll never build again in Marion County" declaration.

Maybe they have plans to petition Sumter for annexation.

chuckinca 03-12-2015 07:46 PM

64 Acres = Around 500 houses, 1K people.

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graciegirl 03-12-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckinca (Post 1027695)
64 Acres = Around 500 houses, 1K people.

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OP said three hundred homes, didn't she? Chuck don't you live in Stonecrest?

mtdjed 03-12-2015 07:58 PM

How does The Villages annex? It is not a city, town. They must be buying.

chuckinca 03-12-2015 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1027698)
OP said three hundred homes, didn't she? Chuck don't you live in Stonecrest?


I just guessed 500 homes.

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NYGUY 03-12-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1027699)
How does The Villages annex? It is not a city, town. They must be buying.

The article says The Villages already owned the land. That makes it sound like they had just not previously intended to build on it and have now changed their minds (maybe because they couldn't sell it (just speculation on my part)).

sunnyatlast 03-12-2015 11:55 PM

They wouldn't be building more if there weren't buyers chompin' at the bit to buy new homes. Priced in the middle range, they'll all sell in a month.

onslowe 03-13-2015 12:26 AM

Does anyone here have an idea as to the proposed site(s) of these new Marion sites? I am guessing that they would be in the northwest side nearer to The Baptist Church and 301, but I know there's more possibilities more to the east going along 42 to 441, past the VA.

Hope it's only 300 homes… yes, I too am spoiled by our little 'forgotten' piece of paradise. It's better that it be The Villages than some other entity though.

Okay, I just saw an aerial photo and there's one village on the east and the western sides. Neither looks enormous. I'm confused by the red outlining (online paper) since both parcels are set way in from CR42, almost like 'flag lots.' I wondered if the areas abutting 42 and outside the red line were also owned by The Villages but are to remain undeveloped by houses. Maybe they're for future stores/offices?

bimmertl 03-13-2015 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xcaligirl (Post 1027661)
Additional shopping and restaurants will be nice... :-)

You need to actually read the article outlining the proposal. There is no mention at all of additional restaurants. When a resident at the meeting complained about possible overcrowding at the Mulberry Publix Villages legal counsel Steve Roy said the Villages is "hoping" to attract another grocery store to the area.

As usual, TOTV posters create their own set of facts that thrive throughout a thread.

graciegirl 03-13-2015 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 1027808)
You need to actually read the article outlining the proposal. There is no mention at all of additional restaurants. When a resident at the meeting complained about possible overcrowding at the Mulberry Publix Villages legal counsel Steve Roy said the Villages is "hoping" to attract another grocery store to the area.
As usual, TOTV posters create their own set of facts that thrive throughout a thread.


Here is how it works. The Villages is NOT the only people to provide buildings for business around here. When there is a need, people open businesses. Take any city....business comes when the need arises.


The Villages is a success because the Morse family provided at the beginning most of the things that a bunch of folks would need out in the middle of nowhere. Now that we are a big bunch of people, we are a desirable place for grocery stores and other businesses.

Did you just read that Homegoods, Kohls, and Steinmart are soon breaking ground? I will be so glad when every soul who lives here gets the restaurants and businesses they so long for.

I hate negativity.

And I am a big fan of free enterprise.

Madelaine Amee 03-13-2015 06:18 AM

The unmentionable online newspaper gives the following details from last night's meeting ..............

The announcement was made Thursday evening at a special evening session of supervisors of Community Development District 4, where the 300 new homes would be located.

The two new parcels of land making up the combined 64.27 acres are located south of County Road 42. The Villages already owns the parcels.

Motor vehicles will enter these new sections via County Road 42. Golf carts will travel by Clearview Avenue near the First Baptist Church. There is an existing treeline there now.


This is in a beautiful area of TV and I am sure the new homes will complement the existing properties. Marion has stricter building codes than Sumter and requires more land per home.

Cisco Kid 03-13-2015 06:39 AM

So does this delay the build out date ? :loco:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-13-2015 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 1027828)
So does this delay the build out date ? :loco:

Build out is a myth.

Biker Dog 03-13-2015 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1027834)
Build out is a myth.

:agree:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-13-2015 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1027698)
OP said three hundred homes, didn't she? Chuck don't you live in Stonecrest?

62 acres divided into 1/8 acres lots would give you 512 lots. But, that is a very small lot. I think that most of the lots in The Villages are a bit larger. More importantly, that does not take into account room for roads, recreation centers and pool. 300 is a much more realistic number. If anything it might be a bit ambitious.

What I'm confused about is that, after looking at the map, it doesn't appear that you will be able to access this part of The Villages by car through the rest of The Villages. I think that this would make it the only section, other than one of the family villages, that is cut off from the rest of the development. You would have access by golf cart, but apparently not by car.

villages07 03-13-2015 07:54 AM

There is an article in today's Sun in the A section.... it says they will all be Courtyard villas, so numbers and size make sense.



The online news said each area would have its own pool.... I find that hard to believe given how small each area is.



Stay tuned for more details, I suppose.



I was surprised at this new development, having heard before they would 'never' again build in Marion.



Given their sales volume, 300 houses would only extend buildout by a couple of months.



It's been interesting to watch all this unfold.

Madelaine Amee 03-13-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 1027846)
There is an article in today's Sun in the A section.... it says they will all be Courtyard villas, so numbers and size make sense.
The online news said each area would have its own pool.... I find that hard to believe given how small each area is.
Stay tuned for more details, I suppose.
I was surprised at this new development, having heard before they would 'never' again build in Marion.
Given their sales volume, 300 houses would only extend buildout by a couple of months.
It's been interesting to watch all this unfold.

"Never build again in Marion" - new head of the Morse family bringing new ideas???? Each generation brings their own ideas to the table and I think that is great and good for TV.

champion6 03-13-2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1027699)
How does The Villages annex? It is not a city, town. They must be buying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYGUY (Post 1027733)
The article says The Villages already owned the land. That makes it sound like they had just not previously intended to build on it and have now changed their minds (maybe because they couldn't sell it (just speculation on my part)).

According to the Marion county website, the eastern parcel (near VA clinic) was purchased by TV about a year ago - March 2014. The western parcel (near First Baptist Church) apparently was just recently purchased by TV because the owners are still shown to be John & Connie Wise. I don't know how quickly the website is updated.

Both parcels extend up to CR42, so it is easy to picture TV developing the areas along 42 as commercial.

zcaveman 03-13-2015 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1027844)
62 acres divided into 1/8 acres lots would give you 512 lots. But, that is a very small lot. I think that most of the lots in The Villages are a bit larger. More importantly, that does not take into account room for roads, recreation centers and pool. 300 is a much more realistic number. If anything it might be a bit ambitious.

What I'm confused about is that, after looking at the map, it doesn't appear that you will be able to access this part of The Villages by car through the rest of The Villages. I think that this would make it the only section, other than one of the family villages, that is cut off from the rest of the development. You would have access by golf cart, but apparently not by car.

The Hacienda of Mission Hills (sic) and Bridgeport on 466 (in the middle of the Palmer Riley course) are not accessible through the Villages and neither are the two villa sections right behind the Publix on 42. They are all outside the gates.

Z

champion6 03-13-2015 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 1027846)
There is an article in today's Sun in the A section.... it says they will all be Courtyard villas, so numbers and size make sense.
The online news said each area would have its own pool.... I find that hard to believe given how small each area is.
Stay tuned for more details, I suppose.
I was surprised at this new development, having heard before they would 'never' again build in Marion.
Given their sales volume, 300 houses would only extend buildout by a couple of months.
It's been interesting to watch all this unfold.

These might be like the courtyard villas near Brownwood. Both Antrim Dells and Alden Bungalows are villa neighborhoods with pools.

bagboy 03-13-2015 09:06 AM

Who here heard anyone from the Morse family state they would never build in Marion County again?

2BNTV 03-13-2015 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1027879)
Where is 446?

I think Z meant 466, as 446 was a typo.

I agree with the final build-out date is yet to be determined, as the Morse family ideas continue to evolve. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of land to build additional houses, but what do I know?

Another 300 homes wouldn't kill the master design of TV, as 600 people is a blip on the population radar. I think those people that live in the northwest corner, will be somewhat affected with the additional population, as they like less congestion, in that area.

With the 1920 homes being built in Fruitland Park, that would add another 3,800 people, (accounting for single people buying homes), to the total population. Hopefully, the total population would stay at 115,000 when the snowbirds are here and about 75,000 when they leave. That seems big enough to me but who's to say what is in TV future?

Bonny 03-13-2015 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1027813)
Here is how it works. The Villages is NOT the only people to provide buildings for business around here. When there is a need, people open businesses. Take any city....business comes when the need arises.


The Villages is a success because the Morse family provided at the beginning most of the things that a bunch of folks would need out in the middle of nowhere. Now that we are a big bunch of people, we are a desirable place for grocery stores and other businesses.

Did you just read that Homegoods, Kohls, and Steinmart are soon breaking ground? I will be so glad when every soul who lives here gets the restaurants and businesses they so long for.

I hate negativity.

And I am a big fan of free enterprise.

I think you meant to type Marshalls, not Kohls, of course, unless I missed something which I do a lot. LOL

janmcn 03-13-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 1027808)
You need to actually read the article outlining the proposal. There is no mention at all of additional restaurants. When a resident at the meeting complained about possible overcrowding at the Mulberry Publix Villages legal counsel Steve Roy said the Villages is "hoping" to attract another grocery store to the area.

As usual, TOTV posters create their own set of facts that thrive throughout a thread.


The Marion County portion of The Villages was completed and sold out in the early 2000's. Mulberry Grove Publix opened in 2003. After over a decade, who really thinks that another grocery store is going to open because of 300 additional homes? IMO Attorney Roy's statement is just blah, blah, blah.

zcaveman 03-13-2015 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1027879)
Where is 446?

oops!! I meant 466. I will correct original post.

Z

Cisco Kid 03-13-2015 12:08 PM

From the way expansions go over, the next on will be off of RT 666

graciegirl 03-13-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1027906)
I think you meant to type Marshalls, not Kohls, of course, unless I missed something which I do a lot. LOL


I did mean Marshall's Bonny. Thank you. I will correct my original post.

rubicon 03-13-2015 03:31 PM

The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. It doesn't matter if they do include additional amenities and they are not suppose to, the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.

Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

champion6 03-13-2015 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1028031)
The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. <snip>

I don't think this is what they plan to do. I think there will be 300 home spread over both parcels - the one near the church and the one near the VA clinic.

Grandfinch 03-13-2015 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1028031)
The 300 homes will be built somewhat behind the Villages Baptist Church 0n 42. It doesn't matter if they do include additional amenities and they are not suppose to, the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.

Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

If you say it, I believe it. Now, what is your opinion as to property values as building space becomes tighter and less available. Would that cause values to go up or down. I just have no idea.

Supply goes away, demand goes up?
Overcrowding and The Villages looses its appeal?
I would love to hear opinions fro experts.

rubicon 03-13-2015 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grandfinch (Post 1028035)
If you say it, I believe it. Now, what is your opinion as to property values as building space becomes tighter and less available. Would that cause values to go up or down. I just have no idea.

Supply goes away, demand goes up?
Overcrowding and The Villages looses its appeal?
I would love to hear opinions fro experts.

I agree . I have friends who bought in Florida and sold because the area in question became overcrowded Think Tampa area along hwy 19. I don't view this as a "I got mine and I don't want you to ave yours" thing. Residents had an opportunity to vote this type of mismanaged expansion down but the developers and real estate industry circulated enough money to defeat it statewide.

So they complain that there is a need for water conservation so The Villages utility has a three tier system to punish people and yet they expand. and this same water district allow Nestle to draw free millions of gallons a day for bottle water being sold elsewhere Florida prides itself for having sunshine Laws but some people aren't aware that there is the meeting and then there is "THE MEETING" which one do you think becomes public record?

Financially in my view it would be economically a poor decision to sell my home for a number of reasons. I do like TV and do understand that others would too but overcrowding kills the golden goose every time

Polar Bear 03-13-2015 04:15 PM

Villages Expansion in Marion County
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1028031)
...the fact is simply that this means more people in the area and its cramping quality of life. This family of developers is going to build either resident or commercial on every stinking inch of property they can get their hands on and the heck with the effect it has on people living in the area.



Now that's not negative that's just plain reality

"The fact is", "not negative that's just plain reality"??

The fact is...those are statements of your opinion, nothing more.

And to call your post "not negative"? Yeah right.


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