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BobnBev 03-14-2015 03:33 PM

Who actually owns
 
Lake Sumter?

The County?
The Villages?
The Morse Family?

Is it considered a "Navigable Waterway" for Coast Guard authority ?

Is there any law enforcement on the Lake?

graciegirl 03-14-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1028603)
Lake Sumter?

The County?
The Villages?
The Morse Family?

Is it considered a "Navigable Waterway" for Coast Guard authority ?

Is there any law enforcement on the Lake?

THAT is a very good question. I always point out to our guests just visiting here that we have a lighthouse that guides all Ocean Going Ships.:D


We are so lucky.

DougB 03-14-2015 03:48 PM

I believe Lake Sumter Landing is just a name created by The Villages. Isn't it actually "Cherry Lake"?

JoMar 03-14-2015 03:58 PM

Sumpter Landing CDD

graciegirl 03-14-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 1028612)
I believe Lake Sumter Landing is just a name created by The Villages. Isn't it actually "Cherry Lake"?


NOOOOO. Then I would have to say; There is no pee in Lake Cherry?

pbkmaine 03-14-2015 05:37 PM

Which would also be true.

Bizdoc 03-14-2015 05:48 PM

It isn't navigable and isn't directly connected to a navigable body of water. It is also entirely inside a single state. Coast Guard would have jurisdiction for pollution ("waters of the United States") but not for boating enforcement. No. they don't have a boat or cutter assigned to Lake Sumter (or whatever the heck it really is).

billybye 03-14-2015 05:49 PM

Lake Sumter is a retention pond - there is only two lakes in the villages, Lake Miona and one other that I can't remember

twoplanekid 03-14-2015 06:29 PM

Lake Deaton might be that other lake?

TheVillageChicken 03-14-2015 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizdoc (Post 1028672)
It isn't navigable and isn't directly connected to a navigable body of water. It is also entirely inside a single state. Coast Guard would have jurisdiction for pollution ("waters of the United States") but not for boating enforcement. No. they don't have a boat or cutter assigned to Lake Sumter (or whatever the heck it really is).

I'm voting for Coast Guard have nothing at all to do with it and EPA being the govt agency having an interest in pollution.

graciegirl 03-14-2015 07:14 PM

Lake Sumter
 
I swear I heard a rumor that her majesty Queen Elizabeth was sailing in on the QE2 and she would run the CDD NORTH of 466. She was going to buy it from the IRS and the POA.

And that the Royal Navy with Prince Harry was going to head up the CDD south of 466.

And Taylor Swift was going to run the area south of 466A where all the YOUNG people live.

DonH57 03-14-2015 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1028702)
I swear I heard a rumor that her majesty Queen Elizabeth was sailing in on the QE2 and she would run the CDD NORTH of 466. She was going to buy it from the IRS and the POA.

And that the Royal Navy with Prince Harry was going to head up the CDD south of 466.

And Taylor Swift was going to run the area south of 466A where all the YOUNG people live.

Hope the Royal Navy brings back issuing tots of Rum. Yeah.:thumbup:

virgind 03-14-2015 07:44 PM

Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)

graciegirl 03-14-2015 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)


You like it???

dbussone 03-14-2015 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1028702)
I swear I heard a rumor that her majesty Queen Elizabeth was sailing in on the QE2 and she would run the CDD NORTH of 466. She was going to buy it from the IRS and the POA.



And that the Royal Navy with Prince Harry was going to head up the CDD south of 466.



And Taylor Swift was going to run the area south of 466A where all the YOUNG people live.


Woo Hoo! Who is Taylor Swift?

billethkid 03-14-2015 08:59 PM

And if you don't have a Boat you can walk across Lake Sumter or Lake Miona they are so shallow.

Home to many a gator and many, many more snakes!

CFrance 03-14-2015 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1028727)
Woo Hoo! Who is Taylor Swift?

Watch a couple minutes of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

I don't think she's gonna be running anything south of 466A any time soon!

CFrance 03-14-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)

Do you live in The Villages, virgind?

Polar Bear 03-14-2015 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
...When will people realize every thing here is fake...

Oh no...does that include all the joy it brings so many people?!? :22yikes:

Mleeja 03-14-2015 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)

Oh no! i paid $500,000 to live on a retention pond? Get me those POA lawyers.:cryin2:

justjim 03-14-2015 10:42 PM

Real Lakes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)

Lake Denton and Lake Minoa were here long before The Villages. I'm not sure what you mean by everything is fake. :(

jblum315 03-15-2015 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1028773)
Lake Denton and Lake Minoa were here long before The Villages. I'm not sure what you mean by everything is fake. :(

many of the bodies of water that look like lakes are manmade. Doesn't deter the alligators from using them
Nearly all the cutesie signage in the squares is fake.
The decorations in most of the rec centers are repro, not old (Except Eisenhower)
The lovely flowers are not fake - but they are replaced the minute they begin to fade.
Most of the residents are not fake happy - they really are happy

TheVillageChicken 03-15-2015 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)

Holy Smokes! So you're telling me that the Panama Canal is fake? Damn! I paid good money to cruise that bad boy.

Mleeja 03-15-2015 07:24 AM

What is the purpose of the original post? Is the lake sinking and the question is who has to pay to fix it? Did some cut down some trees to improve their view? Or did they ask a question just to see what they could stir up?

graciegirl 03-15-2015 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1028861)
What is the purpose of the original post? Is the lake sinking and the question is who has to pay to fix it? Did some cut down some trees to improve their view? Or did they ask a question just to see what they could stir up?

Reading Bob and Bev for some time, I am guessing that they meant it as a light hearted jest.

At least that is how I took it.

And as for the fake stuff. I call it whimsical and fantasy in the most enjoyable way. Katie Belle was not an historical figure. Spanish Springs was meant to look like an old Spanish Town and Lake Sumter was meant to look like an American town from yesteryear and Brownwood is supposed to be a tribute to the Brownwood store in Michigan, still run by Gary Morse's sister who makes fresh donuts daily.

It's all good.

Mleeja 03-15-2015 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1028866)
Reading Bob and Bev for some time, I am guessing that they meant it as a light hearted jest.

At least that is how I took it.

And as for the fake stuff. I call it whimsical and fantasy in the most enjoyable way. Katie Belle was not an historical figure. Spanish Springs was meant to look like an old Spanish Town and Lake Sumter was meant to look like an American town from yesteryear and Brownwood is supposed to be a tribute to the Brownwood store in Michigan, still run by Gary Morse's sister who makes fresh donuts daily.

It's all good.

Stirring the pot eh? :smiley::smiley:

graciegirl 03-15-2015 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1028883)
Stirring the pot eh? :smiley::smiley:

lol......A year ago I had a gathering for TOTV'rs around Christmas time and some very nice person who had spent quite a bit of time at Brownwood growing up, came to the get together just to tell me that the Morse family were very nice folks as I had suspected and recently she sent me a clipping from the local Brownwood, Michigan paper showing. Mar making her donuts.

I strongly suspect, that the Morse family are a decent bunch of nice folks.

Pretty much like you Mleeja.

Greg Nelson 03-15-2015 08:20 AM

It's a good fantasy

graciegirl 03-15-2015 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Nelson (Post 1028894)
It's a good fantasy


Ah yes. But a reality for us who live here every day. So glad I got old enough to be here.

virgind 03-15-2015 08:31 AM

When I say fake I mean like Disney, its there to make you feel good. Dont mean anything bad. Look at the day markers in the lake ( channel markers) they are not needed but to some one coming from a coastal area it makes them feel good like being back from where they came from. Yes I live here, 10 years now.

graciegirl 03-15-2015 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028904)
When I say fake I mean like Disney, its there to make you feel good. Dont mean anything bad. Look at the day markers in the lake ( channel markers) they are not needed but to some one coming from a coastal area it makes them feel good like being back from where they came from. Yes I live here, 10 years now.

Wonderful post.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-15-2015 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1028713)
Lake Sumter or what ever you call it was a cow pasture. When they dug it to fill it they used the water from from Miona. But then they really got in trouble. When will people realize every thing here is fake. ( Fantasy land)

I tell my visitors that all the time. I also tell them that I enjoy every inch of it. I love living in fantasy land.

BTW, I was told that Lake Sumter is indeed a retention pond and was built to drain some area so that homes and other properties could be built.

pbkmaine 03-15-2015 09:43 AM

Someone needs to collect all the snippets of "history" from those plaques on the sides of the buildings and write a tongue-in-cheek history of the Town Squares.

Bonny 03-15-2015 10:11 AM

I love my fantasy land !!! Couldn't imagine living anywhere else.
Don't know and don't care who owns what. Just sayin' :D

Bizdoc 03-15-2015 10:51 AM

Of course, if you really want a Coast Guard cutter on Lake Sumter, GSA is selling a couple of decommissioned 110 foot Island class patrol boats. There are also a number of 41 and 47 foot former Coast Guard boats up for sale by private firms.

Mleeja 03-15-2015 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizdoc (Post 1028993)
Of course, if you really want a Coast Guard cutter on Lake Sumter, GSA is selling a couple of decommissioned 110 foot Island class patrol boats. There are also a number of 41 and 47 foot former Coast Guard boats up for sale by private firms.

Now that would be cool. The Villages could have its own Navy!

graciegirl 03-15-2015 11:41 AM

I heard a RUMOR that the new John Rohan Regional Recreation Center will house a history of how the Villages grew.

Polar Bear 03-15-2015 12:06 PM

Drainage facilities are rarely all natural. Even if there is a large natural water body adjacent to a development, runoff must be retained and treated to meet water quality requirements before it can be discharged into public waters. This is the norm for any development. Only the very smallest may be exempt or not have a need to provide ponds or other retention/treatment facilities to provide for runoff from the site.

There are very specific permitting requirements which must be met also. Just digging a hole is not even close to enough. Wetlands and other habitat areas are to be avoided, but if there are what development codes deem to be unavoidable impacts, compensation must be provided, usually in amounts more than the impacts they are compensating for. Many of the ponds, wetlands and other habitat areas in TV fall into this category...man-made facilities created as compensation for impacts in other areas of TV.

dolpterry 03-15-2015 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1028743)
And if you don't have a Boat you can walk across Lake Sumter or Lake Miona they are so shallow.

Home to many a gator and many, many more snakes!

Please don't try to walk across Lake Miona, much of it is 8 to 10 feet deep. don't want to pollute it anymore then it already is.

virgind 03-15-2015 12:54 PM

A little off the subject did you know there really are 4 town squares


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