7,000 animals?
 

The average meat eating person eats 7,000 animals in their life time.

or 70 billion a year are killed for food

The number is staggering, but that's where YOU come in.

Choose vegetarian/vegan and help bring this number down

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I am very fond of you Jimbo. Just eat what is on your plate and don't pay any attention to your sisters and brothers plates. Be grateful there is food and don't start something. We are all tender hearted enough.

What I found astounding is the amount of water it takes to bring an animal to slaughter. According to the article below, we need to seriously consider our future use of limited resources required to support meat production. Very interesting read.

Meat’s large water footprint: why raising livestock and poultry for meat is so resource-intensive | FoodTank.com

The earth is 70 percent water...give or take...

Cows, chickens and sheep eat corn, grass, etc. So I must be a vegetarian?

If you eat a vegetarian are you still a meat eater?

Around 70% of the surface is covered with water, but that's not the same as its composition

Just 2.5% of the Earth's water is fresh, and two thirds of that is locked up in glaciers and ice caps.

The earth may be 70% but 97% of that water is salt. They have already built a $1 billion plant in southern california to desalinate and are charging the population $5 a month for their water.
It isn't going to affect us but as the saying goes: The world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children.

Eat more pickles.





(Hey, that's three words............I'm going to the other thread!!)

For thousands of years man has been eating animals. In the Bible, God instructs people to kill and burn animals. All of the people in the Bible ate animals including Jesus. Why, all of a sudden in the past 60 years or so, are we supposed to change this? I believe that God put animals on this earth to nourish his people.

"If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did He make them out of meat?"

Homer Simpson

We need to get the word out to the cats.

Simple statistics show that there is a direct link to disease and death not only from meat but the way they are treated with drugs for starters.

We now know a meat-heavy diet contains the equivalent of 2 1/2 pounds of saturated fat a week!

Fact!
World War II provided a graphic example of how the ravages of these diseases could be totally halted. Norway was one of several western European nations occupied by Nazi Germany during the conflict between 1939 through 1945. The Germans removed all animal livestock from these occupied countries. The native population subsisted on whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruit. Almost immediately death from heart attacks and strokes in Norway plummeted. With the cessation of hostilities in 1945 animal products became available as well as an immediate return to the prewar levels of deaths from these illnesses.

your second comment "God put animals on this earth to nourish his people"

I think he also put plants ie vegetables on earth also to nourish his people, but it is up to to you to choose which to be nourished by.

It was never in his plan to factory raise, torture and abuse these living creatures.

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There is some compelling research that indicates that a plant based diet can have a significant impact on reducing heart disease and cancer. While we do fall off the wagon occasionally, my wife has pretty much switched us over to a vegetarian diet. One of my favorites is a "tuna salad" made from garbanzo beans.

One way to think about this is your life expectancy without civilization would be much shorter. So short, on average, that diseases such as heart blockages and cancer never develop in the average person. People are living much longer because of modern medicine - viruses, infections from wounds, and broken bones are no longer fatal, as well as dramatically decreased infant mortality. People are living so long that heart disease and cancer now have a chance to develop. A plant based diet appears to be an effective way to combat those diseases as you age. Prevention is always better than treatment.

I appreciate your kind thoughts as I appreciate prayers. I try not to what is that word that starts with P???????..prosellalize or something like that. Live and let live and wish for good things for others. Here it is; http://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/proselytize.htm

You can't teach many old dogs new tricks. Care for a carrot?

Not to be contrary but I believe stoning was advised in the bible as well but we have outgrown that thinking. It also said pork was prohibited but I doubt many follow that either.

We should just use our heads and make considered choices and not just thinking how yummy that tastes. Although, I will be really upset if dark chocolate starts getting bad press.

If you count shrimp and oysters as fish, I am well ahead of the 4700 fish lifetime average. When I was in college, I ate three goldfish, but I ain't counting them as food.

Dark chocolate is good....


Humans are naturally plant-eaters

humans are optimized for eating mostly or exclusively plant foods, according to the best evidence: our bodies. We're most similar to other plant-eaters, and drastically different from carnivores and true omnivores.1,2,3 Those who insist that humans are omnivores, especially if their argument is based on canine teeth, would do well to look at what the evidence actually shows.

see here for more on this point

Why is it that people who are primarily vegans obsess over other people's menu selections? Why don't they just live and let live? Why do they believe it is their religious duty to convert meatatarians

Why is it now that medical experts reversed their thinking concerning saturated fats, meat butter, etc, salt levels, coffee...............? leading to the latest the refrain of "a steak a day keeps the doctor away"?

Why is it that vegans never talk about the fact that meat is a very important source of nutrition and consumption of a little goes a longer way than a vegan diet and is especially essential to older people whose rate of absorption is compromised as they age?

What meat is the most consumed in the world? Goat meat and that has not even been mentioned in this thread.

Seniors biggest challenge is ensuring they are geting proper nutrition (period)

:agree: Well said.

Who's obsessing, shoot the messenger he's a vegan. I post, your choice to read.

Meat is not an important source. Where the heck did you get that from?

And goes a longer way????
what goes a longer way?

Interesting meat is harder to digest than any vegetable

If we were designed to eat only plant based food, pregnant vegans would not need to take protein, calcium, iron, folic acid, and vitamin B12 supplements in order to have a healthy baby.

This is true. We weren't designed to live this long so the human body wasn't designed to last this long. This is why knee and hip replacements are very common. Our joints just weren't designed to last twice what our life expectancy was.
Interesting to think about but since medicine has keep us alive so much longer than nature intended, then why did nature give us a brain good enough to develop advanced medicine to keep us alive this long?

That's correct except for B12, what's your point?

There's room on this planet for ALL Gods animals.. Right alongside of my mash taters..

My point is that your assertion that we are designed to be only plant eaters was naively conceived and incorrect.

the reason humans have large brains is because our distant ancestors ate cooked meat, which provided much more energy than plants or uncooked meat - and the brain uses a lot of energy

while it would clearly take thousands of generations for the brains of modern humans' on a vegan diet to shrink noticeably, I'm glad our forbears stuck with eating meat

maybe those Neanderthals liked veggie-burgers?

You're kidding, right?!?

I was trying to read what you said with an open mind. But with that statement, all credibility just went bye-bye.

Old myth, look at primates, do they have large brains?
they never eat meat.

If you think meat has more energy you are mis taken on that point as well certain plants have more protein than steak

Not kidding at all, it is not needed in our diet at all.

Vegetarians and vegans have longer lifespans by 10 & 15 years respectfully.

We haven't had red meat in over 20 years, no other types in over 5 years.

We take no meds. When we go the Village heath care we are told by our Dr we are the only patients out of his almost 1200 that have no scripts for meds

It's not the sunshine!

I have eaten red meat all my life and at 70, have zero prescriptions, and all my indicators are excellent, but unlike you, I realize that anecdotes don't advance argument. You know, the sad thing about cultural stereotypes is that they are better than 80% accurate, and the one about arrogant vegans is no different.

7,000 animals?
 

Longer than what?

Again, if you had credibility it might mean something to me. (Read TVC below.)

Good for you, so you must be getting near that 7,000 killed animal number

Which primates do you think are as intelligent as humans?

(I assume that you are referring to gorillas etc. rather than certain bishops)

Diehard vegans/vegetarians cannot accept the live and let live philosophy. They believe their life style choice is the only one and have zero tolerance for others. As seen in this message, when confronted with different views, they attempt to make others feel guilty and embarrassed.
I think the, there is room for all gods creatures....next to my mashed potatoes comment is the best possibly response to these fanatics.

With a better diet, many people might not need the advanced medicines that have been developed to treat symptoms. For example, statins are widely prescribed. There is a fundamental difference between drugs such as antibotics which treat a one time infection vs. statins which attempt to treat symptoms and must be taken for the rest of your life and have side effects. The evidence would suggest that a plant based diet will prevent a number of problems. Take a look at plant based diets. I agree they don't taste as good ;-)

A fact that evokes no emotion in me whatsoever.
Do you realize that vegan farts are destroying the ozone layer. Following your lead, I present this as fact without evidence.

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I bet this thread will be closed by morning! It has a familiar ring.

To what limited resource are you referring?

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