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outlaw 07-10-2015 06:43 AM

Roundabout Solution!!!!
 
Replace those ridiculous RB signs with a simple sign stating "Yield to the inside lane at all exits". Wouldn't that provide a more consistent rule of engagement than those current signs? The current signage allows exiting from the inside lane at every exit depending on where one enters the RB.

TNLAKEPANDA 07-10-2015 07:13 AM

People on the main road think they have the right of way going through the round a bouts.
Alway proceed with caution. Then need a sign that says "watch out for wondering idiots"

MikeV 07-10-2015 07:17 AM

You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

golfing eagles 07-10-2015 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1084856)
Replace those ridiculous RB signs with a simple sign stating "Yield to the inside lane at all exits". Wouldn't that provide a more consistent rule of engagement than those current signs? The current signage allows exiting from the inside lane at every exit depending on where one enters the RB.

Given human nature, this would probably lead to two lanes of traffic entering the RB fighting for the inside lane in an effort to be "first"

tuccillo 07-10-2015 07:35 AM

I agree. The signs are perfectly clear.

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1084874)
You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?


redwitch 07-10-2015 07:43 AM

And then there's the question of which is the inside lane. I've heard more than one discussion of this subject. Duh!

outlaw 07-10-2015 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1084874)
You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

The confusion, IMO, is that depending on where you entered and where you want to exit determines what lane you should be in. So you can only assume that the cars around you may or may not be exiting at the next exit. It is somewhat of a free for all. Might as well have no signs and no rules. Maybe a sign that says "Enter at your own risk." Unless I am missing something in the signage????

outlaw 07-10-2015 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1084891)
And then there's the question of which is the inside lane. I've heard more than one discussion of this subject. Duh!

I would think the inside lane of a two-lane circle would be evident...but apparently not.

Bonny 07-10-2015 07:59 AM

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Here is the picture for the roundabouts from The Villages.

DeanFL 07-10-2015 08:00 AM

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A solution - replace each roundabout with below. May be a bit costly, but hey - this is TV...
Or, each TV residential car/cart gets a toll-free wireless transmitter. Non-residents must pay .25 toll to go thru each one.

golfing eagles 07-10-2015 08:14 AM

The other problem/solution arises from a failure to follow traffic law in general: Upon entering a RB, or any multilane road for that matter, you MUST yield to traffic in BOTH lanes--this would ensure adequate spacing (for those with common sense) to accommodate those exiting from the inside lane who have gone 1/2 way around "in front" of those who entered 1/4 way around later and are going straight. How many times do you see a driver pull out of a parking lot, or make a right on red into the right lane when traffic is coming in the left lane? This is clearly against the law, and somewhat dangerous. How many trust that driver not to be swinging out into your lane?

billethkid 07-10-2015 08:42 AM

Signs are certainly not the answer.
Proof? How effective are the stop signs and speed limit signs?

tuccillo 07-10-2015 08:46 AM

Signs do nothing but provide information. Enforcement of laws is another issue. The signs are doing a fine job. If people choose to ignore the law that can't be blamed on signs.

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1084927)
Signs are certainly not the answer.
Proof? How effective are the stop signs and speed limit signs?


billethkid 07-10-2015 08:52 AM

Signs will not do the job.
Proof? Stop signs and speed limit signs are throughout TV doing their job of informing drivers what they should do or not do.

Still they do not work because there is lack of enforcement.
THEREFORE: adding new signs directing round about traffic will be no more effective that the existing signs without proper enforcement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

tuccillo 07-10-2015 08:57 AM

In my opinion, we don't need any new signs. The current signs that indicated which lane you should choose when entering the roundabouts are clear. What we need are better drivers who pay attention and follow the law. I am not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1084931)
Signs will not do the job.
Proof? Stop signs and speed limit signs are throughout TV doing their job of informing drivers what they should do or not do.

Still they do not work because there is lack of enforcement.
THEREFORE: adding new signs directing round about traffic will be no more effective that the existing signs without proper enforcement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D


Karen R 07-11-2015 12:15 PM

YIELD, if you are about to cross a dotted white line. You have the right of way if you are not crossing the white dotted line.

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2015 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1084874)
You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

This is the right answer, no more, no less.

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1084896)
The confusion, IMO, is that depending on where you entered and where you want to exit determines what lane you should be in. So you can only assume that the cars around you may or may not be exiting at the next exit. It is somewhat of a free for all. Might as well have no signs and no rules. Maybe a sign that says "Enter at your own risk." Unless I am missing something in the signage????

Why would there be cars around you if the Yield signs are obeyed?

Bonny 07-11-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Karen R (Post 1085393)
YIELD, if you are about to cross a dotted white line. You have the right of way if you are not crossing the white dotted line.

Actually the Villages states that if there is an accident, the person on the outside will be determined to be at fault.

Karen R 07-11-2015 12:29 PM

Bonny, that does not always hold true. A car on the inside lane cannot cross the dotted white line into a right lane occupied by another car. The white dotted lines require a yield to move into an occupied lane.

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2015 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Karen R (Post 1085393)
YIELD, if you are about to cross a dotted white line. You have the right of way if you are not crossing the white dotted line.

Who is on first?

Karen R 07-11-2015 12:32 PM

Chapter 4, Florida Driver's Handbook, "Broken White Line
A broken white line separates two lanes traveling in the same direction. Once you have signaled, and if it is safe to do so, you may cross this line when changing lanes."

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1085400)
Actually the Villages states that if there is an accident, the person on the outside will be determined to be at fault.

You did mean a person outside The Villages..........right?:wave:

Bob McKeever 07-11-2015 12:34 PM

The safest rule to follow is NEVER overtake another car from either side in a traffic circle.

justjim 07-11-2015 12:39 PM

Been here nine years---never had an accident in a roundabout. Ooops---did I "jinx" myself?

Bonny 07-11-2015 12:40 PM

This is on the Villages Ideas Page
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If there’s an accident, the car in the right lane will be at fault. Odd, but that’s what was reported in the paper. The car in the left lane should still look and make every effort to turn in a safe manner. This turn is probably the cause of most of the accidents in the roundabouts in The Villages.

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1085416)
This is on the Villages Ideas Page
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If there’s an accident, the car in the right lane will be at fault. Odd, but that’s what was reported in the paper. The car in the left lane should still look and make every effort to turn in a safe manner. This turn is probably the cause of most of the accidents in the roundabouts in The Villages.

What is the Villages Ideas Page?

Bonny 07-11-2015 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1085425)
What is the Villages Ideas Page?

Roundabouts - The Most Dangerous Place In The Villages, Fl

Karen R 07-11-2015 01:07 PM

The article was not quoted accurately. It does not say that cars on the outside lane will be at fault. It says, "Cars in the right lane must yield when you are exiting. If there’s an accident, the car in the right lane will be at fault. " It was a context specific statement, not a generalized rule of thumb.

rubicon 07-11-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Karen R (Post 1085406)
Chapter 4, Florida Driver's Handbook, "Broken White Line
A broken white line separates two lanes traveling in the same direction. Once you have signaled, and if it is safe to do so, you may cross this line when changing lanes."

Rules of the road are pretty standard across the country. also the vehicle to your right has the right away

round-a-bouts are easily navigated and I believe the people who experience problems are less confident about entering them then the average driver. I suspect they also have trouble with on/off ramps

You just have to have a leap of faith and trust every driver is doing his/her part and then verify :D

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1085429)

Thats just another person's opinion that was posted on that site. Sorry Bonnie, no different than all the "experts" opinions posted on here.

Bonny 07-11-2015 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1085458)
Thats just another person's opinion that was posted on that site. Sorry Bonnie, no different than all the "experts" opinions posted on here.

They said that this is what was printed in the paper. I remember when they put that article in the Sun.
That's okay when this thread dies down, we only have to wait a month or so then there will be a new thread started about it. LOL :loco:

Karen R 07-11-2015 01:53 PM

Good grief Rubicon, cite a FL statute to support your statement that a vehicle to your right has the right of way - in a roundabout- you are not going to find one.

Bonny 07-11-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1085445)
Rules of the road are pretty standard across the country. also the vehicle to your right has the right away

This is definitely not true.

Polar Bear 07-11-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1085458)
Thats just another person's opinion that was posted on that site. Sorry Bonnie, no different than all the "experts" opinions posted on here.

Yep. Just looks like another post on one of the many roundabout threads.

Polar Bear 07-11-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1085445)
...the vehicle to your right has the right away...

Not sure where you picked that one up.

blueeagle65 07-11-2015 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1084874)
You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

Thanks Mike. You said it all.

Hunger Mountain 07-11-2015 03:24 PM

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Yield schmeld, lets just hang tires on the side of our cars to bag some fun!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-11-2015 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1084856)
Replace those ridiculous RB signs with a simple sign stating "Yield to the inside lane at all exits". Wouldn't that provide a more consistent rule of engagement than those current signs? The current signage allows exiting from the inside lane at every exit depending on where one enters the RB.

First of all, you're implying that there is a problem with the round abouts that needs a solution. I disagree. They're fine the way they are.

But, addressing your "solution" people in the right hand lane going to the second exit should not have to worry about people in the inside lane taking the first exit. Drivers int he left hand lane should not be taking the first exit. I see your idea causing more problems then it solves.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-11-2015 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1085400)
Actually the Villages states that if there is an accident, the person on the outside will be determined to be at fault.

Really? a driver on the inside lane takes the first exit and causes a collision with a car in the right hand lane whose intention it is to take the second exit the the car on the outside is at fault?

Where did you read this?

Even if some document that The Villages produces says something like this, it doesn't supercede state law.


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