However, it could be the SECOND exit for the driver in the left lane if he started 90 degrees to your left, while it is the first exit for you

Mike, you're correct and your first sentence says it best.

But you wouldn't/shouldn't have entered the RAB if someone was approaching from your left. So, if it did result in a crunch, it would still be your fault. That's why you yield to all traffic coming from your left before entering the RAB.

Exactly. :agree: Which was my point in post # 11

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We don't need a "solution" to the roundabouts. All it takes to negotiate them is a minimum of common sense. In addition, if you want to play it safe, never attempt to pass another vehicle while in a roundabout. If you really need to pass some one, do it on the straight aways.

There is this crazy invention in cars now-a-days called a blinker or indicator. It allows people to know if you plan on turning. This crazy concept would solve HALF of the problems with the RB's. Leaving a RB is no different than turning right or left off of a street (not that people religiously let other drivers know when they are doing that either). If people would use them to let others know when they are exiting the RB, it would allow the "outside" lane know, and also incoming traffic as well, so that traffic can flow smoother.....the whole point of a RB. There is no correcting bad drivers and lack of common sense, but I whole heartedly believe that every buyer (new or used house) and renter in TV should receive a piece of paper on how our RB's work. There are many people that have never driven in one until coming here. For some reason driving etiquette seems to disappear when arriving in TV. The signs make perfect sense, that is not the problem.

What is all the problem With the roundabouts? The crazy people here who Just don't get it. That's the problem ...
Only and I repeat ONLY here in the villages do you get people who think it's ok to not yield and drive straight onto the roundaboutdespite traffic already in the RB circle and better still those in the circle. Or those who slow down or STOP in the circle to allow cars to enter the roundabout .. This is where the cops should be giving tickets - ignorance is no excuse to Endanger other peoples lives. ?

I'm not surprised that no one mentions using your turn signals. So many drivers, both cars and golf carts, don't use their turn signals. In cars in roundabouts, using your turn signal helps communicate your intentions but still, the best action is to drive carefully and defensively. Be alert for the other cars maybe doing the wrong thing.

Thanks to modern technology the RB will be saved by the Autonomous Automobile. While your texting and sipping a cool drink on the way to the golf course your AA will be navigating the RB without the need for your intervention. Truly, a brave new world.LOL

Bridges are not only super expensive, but require much land for the approaches. You're looking at 40 acres at least for a RB like that. Wouldn't fit in TV.
Problem is people making left turns from the right lane. They stay in the right lane all the way to the third exit, and if someone is in the inside lane expecting them to exit at no2, you have a problem. They think its easier because they don't have to change lanes. The system works if people follow the rules. Of course there's many who don't - give them a ticket - word will get around -fast.

Perfectly said. :BigApplause:Can I have an Amen for JohnFromMaine?

Here's an example of a Dutch roundabout. The striping makes it pretty obvious what lane to be in, and you can see how an inside lane essentially becomes an outside lane (unless one veers inside where appropriate) depending upon the position one is in inside the RB:

http://i1.tinypic.com/xm8k1w.jpg

Here's a Google Earth image (you can zoom in/out on this) that shows a similar RB in Vancouver, WA that while not quite as clearly striped as the Dutch version, IMHO, looks familiar:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Va...91e3f3!6m1!1e1

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Whatever you all decide please please use directional indicators so drivers, waiting till the last second for you to make up your mind, can start off, instead of sitting like spare dinners until you have made your turn. Please don't assume we are all clairvoyant !!

From your perspective, it may be the first exit. From that driver's perspective, it may be his third exit. It depends where the driver enters. Consequently, all four exits can be accessed legally from either lane. Thus the dilemma.

Roundabouts can be confusing to explain but common sense can prevail. I find two common issues most dangerous. 1/ When in the roundabout approaching an incoming road, cars incoming are supposed to yield. Always expect that they may not yield. 2/ When in a roundabout, cars in the outside lane are expected to turn right or go straight and those on the inside should go straight or turn left. Expect both to do the unexpected.

This makes more sense to me. It gives the right of way to the inside lane at each exit and forces the outside lane to exit at each exit...I think.

I agree with Bonny. The Police will tell you the same. :BigApplause:

That agrees with my initial post; "yield to the inside lane".... I feel better now.

Not so sure this is a great example. Looks like the white car and the dump truck at the top of the picture are 1/2 sec away from an "incident"

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I always thought you exit from the outside lane not the center lane. Imagine if cars would be allowed to exit the interstate from the center lane. It should be the responsibility of the car that wants to exit to get to the right lane and if that means you must go around the circle a second time - so be it. Exit only from the right lane!

Once in the roundabout, you don't want to be changing lanes. :eek:

That's not the way RBs work.

Does seem simple, doesn't it? Yet I have seen just about everything you can imagine except for people actually backing around the round-a-bouts, and I'm pretty sure one day that too will happen.

absolutely right on !!! Yielding to the inside traffic is really dumb. This gives the inside driver permission to cut off other drivers in the outer lane. Take highway 27/441 for instance, is it acceptable for a driver traveling in the inside lanes to make a right turn exit in front of the traffic in the outer lane.

I was on 441, in Leeburg, the other day. There is a fork in the south traveling lanes. The right lane is forced to take the right fork. The "inside" or left lane has the option of taking the left OR right fork. That's kind of how you have to view the RBs; each exit is a fork in the road. At least, that's how I view them.

You're not exiting anything. You're simply staying in your lane. It's as if interstate off ramps had two lanes and the rule was that you can exit the interstate or stay on form the left hand lane, but you must exit if in the right hand lane.

And what you're suggesting is not the law. The law says that if you intend to turn right, you must use the right hand lane. If you intend to turn left, you must use the left hand lane. If you are going straight, you may use either lane.

Bingo! I'll repeat myself. In the case of a roundabout, you are not exiting a roadway. It's much more like a two lane fork in the road.

The ra's are to small to use properly. If you enter from the right side you should enter the first right turn, if you are going to the second entrance you should enter from the left side and proceed to the right before the entrance. There just isn't enough room to do so properly so those on the left (using their directional signal) should enter their exit turn from the left. It is confusing and somewhat dangerous. Many of the problems could be solved by having only one lane in the roundabouts (but that is not feasible for several reasons) and then people using their turn signals, but that seems unlikely.

Yes, but the only problem is that there are way too many people who don't know the meaning of the word "YIELD"

Can you imagine those same people looking at those "map" signs and thinking "what the ..." just as they enter the RBs?

Better still is to have only ONE lane going around and eliminate the wonder if the middle lane is going to turn or not. It works well in other places I have been with the RB's!!!

Yes. I agree. But many on TOTV have not experienced single lane RBs and dismiss them immediately as not viable in TV.

Roundabout Solution!!!!
 

I agree....using signals is definitely a good thing. But it is mentioned in the roundabout threads regularly.

There isn't a middle lane, only left and right lanes. Just follow the signs. This isn't rocket science.

simple one rule solution
 

So simple, one rule....If you cross a dotted line (or solid) you must yield to the lane you are moving to. That simple......and that is just what the law says. No concerns where you enter or where you exit. Just yield when you cross a line. If you want a second rule it would be......Be careful, many people don't follow rule one.

Most people moving here have been driving for at least 40 years. They drive as if nothing has changed since they got their first divers license, and they are completely unwilling to learn to handle anything new. Everything should be changed to accommodate how they drive.

Regarding crossing a dotted line, I believe that is already a law. Also, you can't cross a solid line.

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AMEN to that

New York, Michigan, Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Viet Nam, Louisiana, Alabama, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Nebraska, Korea, Texas (think I have you beat)

Agreed -- Solid line = do not cross. broken lines = must yeild to cars already in lane into which you intend to move. Same law everywhere in US.
No difference if the road is straight or circular.

What is not clear?