Iran Deal Done
 

According to the Fox News website, President Obama has the Democrat number to make the Iran Nuclear Deal veto-proof.


Chalk up another win for President Obama.

And the majority of we the people lose another one.

I guess a black presidents to do and "I" did list is a much higher priority.

Shame on all the congressional lemmings who rolled over. The quis quo pros are also a higher priority than we the people.

End result? America and the world are much less safe. America takes another step backwards in stature, out foxed by terrorist criminals and a radical, arrogant, incompetent president.

It was a foregone conclusion. Just like the ACA, there were complaints but no alternative.

A bad deal is NOT better than NO deal. Too bad that liberals only see black on all issues that require some form of action or decision, when the option does not have to be just black or white, but could also include several shades of gray. To liberals, the ONLY alternative is the lie that the left keeps trying to convince us, that if not THAT deal, then war. Not even close to the truth. You don't have to have to have a degree in foreign policy to understand this. On the other hand, we are dealing with way too many liberals, that do not understand the terms compromise, negotiate or investigate.

We have too many liberals? The majority of voters elected Pres. Obama. Majority rules!

Liberals do not know compromise? Horse hockey! Don't forget that the Republicans have tried to deny just about all of the ideas of the President and the nickname for Republicans is "G'Noper".

OK, so no deal. Iran is then free to to proceed unabated to develop a nuclear weapon. And don't worry, China and Russia will be more than happy to fill in economically. Of course, there is always war.

Where did you get that idea? When we had sanctions on them, it made it harder for them to build a nuke. Now, they won't even have to worry about building one, because they will have their money released to them and they will be able to buy one from Russia. Now, they have arranged it so that they get to do their own inspections of military sites, and the IAEA have to give them 24 days notice/warning before inspecting.

No, this was a bad deal, made by idiots that didn't know squat about negotiating. This is one time they should have had Trump on their team, but they had a treasonous anti-war coward instead.

One factor that shouldn't be ignored is Israeli determination. They took out Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 (Operation Opera) and Syria's nuclear reactor in 2007 (Operation Orchard). I have a feeling that there is an Operation name for Iran also.

It wouldn't break my heart if Israel bombed'em. They've(Iran) been a thorn in our flesh for a long time. Sooner is better than later, though.

Get off the liberal rant. Not all liberals think this is a good deal, let alone one that should have ever been negotiated. Believe it or not, some of us are just as scared as the conservatives. Intelligence and common sense do not just belong to one side or the other.

Republicans merely attempted to stop the transition of our FREE nation to socialism. The president never had a good idea. They did exactly what we elected them to do and I am glad they listened some of the time. Obama was a criminal drug abuser prior to his being elected and if not for being elected, he would never have qualified for a security clearance. I call it irony. To tell you the truth, I thought he would have done more damage to the country than he did. Thank goodness the economy bounced back in spite of him and his stupid cronies, Reid and Pelosi. Hopefully, the Republican controlled congress can keep Obama under control until he vacates the White House.

Prove it....:jester:

BS.
What do you call yourself when you do not accept a deal....in personal life....stop looking for the political potential as there is none.

We are OK in your book if we agree, go along, play dead and do not give an opposing position. If we do anything other than say yes or the preceding we qualify only for the name calling.

But does that mean you name callers never ever reject anything?
Are you like the baby birds in the nest with their mouths open wide just waiting for your powers that be to drop something in?

I will close the same way I started.....BS!

:agree: :thumbup:

Here's an Obama conspiracy chart for you.

Attachment 54592

Yet another.....

Disapproval from American public. Majority of congress not agreeing or some manipulation of rules to get past congress, yet we end up with it.

How proud.

Liberals don't know how to compromise. You win the prize for that one. You have the Republican Senate for six years that filibuster just about everything. Not to be out done, the Republican House has the Hastert rule. No bill hits the floor unless it has the approval of the majority of the majority. Compromise doesn't even exist in your own party. How the hell do you except the Democrats to compromise with closed mind individuals?

Take that "we the people" nonsense, and stick it. Try this one "we the people that lost the two presidential elections". That is much more appropriate.

The economy recovered despite this president and his cronies. What was the economy recovering from the great recession! The prize of the great recession goes to "W", and his cronies. The party that had a great deal of responsibility in the great recession was the Republicans, and we should run back as fast as we can to their insane policies.

Is a free nation one that lets a few screw over the many without suffering any consequences? Free to do anything that you want is stupidity of the highest order.

Be careful what analogies you use. Baby birds with their mouths open. The Republicans are fed catch phases, talking points, and key words all the time. They parrot them all the time on order.

Concerning the Iran deal, so much misinformation is being spread on it that "we the people" don't have a clue what is real is what is not real. The Republicans keep treating the Iran deal as if we are the only party negotiating with Iran. Sanctions were placed against to get them to the bargaining table for a nuclear deal. P5 plus 1 approved the deal. It wasn't all about us. Do you think for a second the other countries in the P5 plus 1 with UN approval would have issued sanctions against Iran, if the goal was stop, and close all nuclear power plants in Iran? The cost to most of the countries was a hit to their economies.

The Democratic Senators looked in the Iran in great detail before they made their vote known. They also gave the reason for their vote. Can you say the same for the Republicans, who were against it before they even knew what was in it? If Iran cheats on the agreement, then lay them to waste. No questions asked, and no warning.

It's a not a win ... it's the pathway to a new war in about 5-10 years.

We'll call it the Obama-Iran Nuclear War of 2021 .... courtesy of a President who didn't have the backbone to do what was needed and swept the problem into the inbox of his successor

Well, then Mr. ArmChair General when the war starts you can enlist

If you're too old, or you have some other cockamaee excuse why you can't serve (because it seems you ArmChair Generals ALWAYS have an excuse why you can't serve) I am sure you'd be willing to sacrifice YOUR kids or grandkids.

Right, General???

Actually, it's Admiral just so you describe it correctly ...

Your argument is the same one weak minded, and often overly emotional, people have made for generations. If we don't give away the farm, we'll have war etc.

The lessons of history are straightforward ... it's better to deter war through strength (like Reagan did) vs blunder into it like Obama is setting up his successor to do. Try to remember that when your grandkids, and mine, end up getting involved because of Obama's decisions today.

Boy, they sure have you brainwashed. How's it feel to be oblivious and ignorant. Did you hear anyone in D.C. denying anything that I mentioned? Nope, because it is true. But, ignorance flourishes in those of you that live in Obama's mental utopia. You are so brainwashed that you actually believe the unbelievable. SO much for common sense and motivation. You are too lazy to even do your own research to prove the validity of statements made on here. I guess if you deny something long enough, you might be able to believe it's true eventually. No matter how much powdered sugar Obama sprinkles on a pile of manure, it's still sh.. by anyone's standard.

Compromise? You mean like how Obamacare got pushed through illegally? They didn't have the vote so they "deemed" it (Pelosi speak). Or how Reid let a hundred House passed bills sit on his desk, refusing to allow a vote on them.
It was only the "Great Recession" because of how it was handled by the amateur. When the market crashed after 9/11, how long did it take to recover during BUSH's administration? And don't forget all the reasons that we had the recession. Don't forget Barney and his refusal to allow Fanny and Freddy to be audited after Bush requested it several times. I won't go into that, because it's over your head. You have chanted "it's Bush's fault" so many times in sync with your messiah in D.C. that you believe it.
Truth is a foreign idea to liberals. All you understand is "black lives matter" killing babies is a woman's right, and it's too hard to deport the illegals. Such a weak and pathetic bunch of needy people, the liberals. No motivation, no morals, no ethics and no self reliance.

The Iran deal is a bad deal for the world, and it will only hasten another war. I will predict a major air strike by Israel within the next year to two years. We could have avoided that, but we have weak minded leaders non-negotiating with Iran. And they laugh at us and parade in the streets, burning our flag and chanting death to America. Don't worry though, we still have a small military to protect you liberals when the doo doo hits the fan.

Accordingly then, Israeli air strikes in Iraq in 1981 and Syria in 2007 could have been avoided except for weak minded leaders.

I do not understand your "accordingly then"....

Could you explain ??

Thanks

Nothing about this deal will stop Iran from acquiring a NUKE, they don't have to make one. With the 160 billion in freed assets , they can buy one. Pakistan,N.Korea & the former soviet union member states will sell a nuke if the price is right.

Iran already possesses an un stopable delivery system. All they have to do is put the nuke in a diplomatic airplane and say they're going to the UN for the opening of the General Assembly. NYC is the prime target, not Israel.

The disruption to life in the U.S. would be unmeasurable & combined with the fact that there are over 1 million Jews in NYC, Iran looks @ it as a twofer.

The anti treaty demonstrations in Iran are a faint, Iran is a dictatorship--nothing happens without the consent of the Ayotollahs.

So-If you have loved ones in NYC--Tell to get out ASAP

I don't know how it feels to be oblivious and ignorant. Since you are the president of oblivious and ignorant fan club of the Villages, why don't you tell me? Which post number are you referring about things that you mentioned?

Do you think that your total nonsense bothers me? All I do is consider the source. What is your standard for sprinkling sugar on manure? I am totally ignorant to that standard, but you must the expert in powered manure from your experience with it..

How many of these House bills 50+ were repelling ACA? How stupid do you have to be to keep sending bills on the same subject, that you know aren't going anywhere?

The Great Recession was handled by an amateur, but it took a real pro to get us there in the first place. You are trying to compare 9/11 recession to the 2008/2009 recession., You have to be kidding. Since it is over my head, you explain it to me? I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

When B. Frank, and C. Dodd found out, what the banks and mortgage companies, what did they do? Passed legislation to prevent it from happening again in the future. Who fought this legislation? The Republicans! The same people that caused the great recession to begin with. Save your cheap personal shots for someone that actually gives a crap.

To hard to deport illegals. So, President Obama hasn't deported illegals, and you get your facts from where the seat of your pants. Only an idiot thinks you can deport 11/12 million illegals, and then bring the good ones back.

Concerning conservative, you can find your ass with both your hands.

Nothing but rpeat and repeat BS!

Take one example from your post; the 11.5 million illegals. All your type do is hammer at the opposition about the illogic of trying to deal with the 11.5 million and then procede to belittle anything remotely related to illegal immigration.

Why have we not heard from the democrats, you included a plan to stop the tsunami of illegals coming in every day?
We will give you the 11.5 million already here. What is being done to make sure that number does not double? NOTHING! What is being offered to help get control of the open border? NOTHING!

None one improvement toward getting the free flow of illegals into this country. Now just why is that ?

It is a :censored: joke. The US border patrol does a great job of making sure Americans, RETURNING to the USA only bring one bottle of booze back.....while just a little way down the road the MEXICAN and anybody else coming through mexico is parading across the border.....good guys and gals and kids and rapists and murderers and terrorists.......NONE of which have to account to anybody for leaving their country or coming into ours.

So instead of beating the dead horse about whatta we gonna do with the 11.5 million and do something to stop the problem?

The BS as usual talking points are a bit worn out.

And has nothing to do with the thread.....as if that matters.

Enforcing law never seems to be discussed as a possible solution to much of anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illega..._United_States

It appears that you are guilty of what you are charging me with.

The numbers of immigrants entering the country under Obama doesn't come anywhere near what you are charging him with. Tsunami! Hardly. It is like a summer rain storm here. It lasts for ten minutes, and then disappears. Per Wikipedia, illegal immigrants in Jan, 2011 was 11.5 million, and in Jan. 2012 11.4 million. In 2006, the number of illegals immigrants was 11,555,000. The number has remained fairly constant from 2006 through 2012.

The tsunami, that you referring to, was in 2014, when Obama issued his executive order concerning illegals. That is your Village summer rain storm. Most of these illegals were turning themselves in upon entering the US.

Sure, build a fence, if that makes you happy, but it can't stop there. Do something about making the illegals here legal. Don't give them a path to citizenship, if you are worried about them voting Democratic. End this seemly endless discussion by doing something. Trying to deport all the illegals is insanity of the highest order.

Don't you think that you should back up your comments with facts? The numbers do not support your argument. Illegal immigrants has remained constant through out the Obama years.

Lies, damned lies, and Obama

This article gives you an idea of how politics clouds the truth. Truth is whatever you want it to be.

We are off the thread topic, but who cares. It's not like people were talking about it, when we changed the subject.

I keep asking the same question over and over with no response.

I am not interested in blaming Obama nor making excuses for Obama.

WHY ARE WE NOT ENFORCING EXISTING US IMMIGRATION LAW AT THE BORDERS AND WITHIN ?

Seems simple instead of all the twisting of facts...

We want to enforce only selected laws....ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW

Got that right.

The flow of the invasion is slower now because of lack of jobs...thanks to Obie.

Obie. My goodness why haven't we been calling him that from the beginning? Great name for him.

And just how does one get such a specific count on those here illegally?
So specific as to be able to discuss year over year increases, or not.
Is there someone at all crossing sites with one of those little clickers to count who is coming in each day?

The forecast by the government earlier this year was to excede 250,000 coming in. Again how does one forecast such an elusive number?
Again where is the count taken to validate how many came in.

I for one do not believe there is any way of knowing or tracking people who have entered this country illegally. To discuss it as though it were a census like knowledge is just a bit naieve.

I agree ... never thought of it but it certainly fits ... an immature little kid who can't do anything correctly, and often sulks if spoken to with the slightest hint of criticism

In the category of stretching to find a silver lining, after Obie allows every Central American, Mexican, Chinese and Sudanese into the US illegally, and after we all become "equal" as in equally poor, the immigration invasion will finally stop.

The one thing the liberal elites forget ....once the barbarian 3rd world immigrant hordes are here, and in numbers, they will storm the strongholds of Malibu, Beverly Hills, the Hamptons and other such white privilege places. The irony will be worth seeing if nothing else. Also, gays will be persecuted unbelievably harshly esp by the Muslims. But, no worries for now right?

Ouch!! Almost anticipatory....almost.