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virgind 09-04-2015 06:19 AM

Side striping of the golf cart path
 
Some one please tell me why the side stripping of the golf cart paths have to be done. Thats an expence that is a waste of money.

Topspinmo 09-04-2015 09:11 AM

Funny, I read the other day it had been voted down?

billethkid 09-04-2015 09:32 AM

As long as residents or more likely representatives find a way to pay for something that is all that is needed to not follow the decisions made?

The consistency we have enjoyed these many years is now a neighborhood by neighborhood decision?

It was nice while it lasted these many, MANY years!

TheVillageChicken 09-04-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1108664)
Some one please tell me why the side stripping of the golf cart paths have to be done. Thats an expence that is a waste of money.

I believe the pro-striping folks are being telepathically manipulated by aliens who want to use the paths as runways for their space craft.

PennBF 09-04-2015 09:59 AM

Cdd 8
 
I read that CDD 8 had the courage to go ahead and vote it in for their District. Like it or not you have to give them credit for taking action on something they want and the Village's District Management did not want them to have. Actually if we are being clear we could say the people who live outside The Village's did not want them to have.:BigApplause:

virgind 09-04-2015 10:33 AM

Still my question is why is it needed. You cant see the side of the path? Come on people.

JAKES2173 09-04-2015 10:49 AM

It would be nice if the folks spending our money surveyed the residents of their district first. Almost everyone i speak to feel it is a waste of money.

tomwed 09-04-2015 11:01 AM

Isn't this a great opportunity for the rest of the villages to see if the number of accidents go down?

If it doesn't improve safety, which admittedly is hard to measure, close calls and all than maybe the rest of the districts could help chip in to defray the cost. That may set up a president. So the next time an idea comes along one district could try it out and the other districts would help defray the cost if it fails or add the same service if it doesn't.

This strikes me as an opportunity to try new ideas out.

Philip Winkler 09-04-2015 11:31 AM

This is a complete waste of our money to stripe the sides of the multi-modal paths in our district (CDD 8).

I am very much opposed to this. There are no proven benefits to doing this. There are no facts that back up this poor decision.

The issue of golf cart safety needs to be addressed through education and more communication.

If others feel the same; email your district 8 supervisors: 'dist8board@districtgov.org'; 'sal.torname@districtgov.org'; 'Victor.ray@districtgov.org'; 'dennis.hayes@districtgov.org'; 'Ray.banks@districtgov.org'; 'Joe.Elliott@districtgov.org'

Bogie Shooter 09-04-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1108779)
I read that CDD 8 had the courage to go ahead and vote it in for their District. Like it or not you have to give them credit for taking action on something they want and the Village's District Management did not want them to have. Actually if we are being clear we could say the people who live outside The Village's did not want them to have.:BigApplause:

Courage?

Bogie Shooter 09-04-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1108814)
Isn't this a great opportunity for the rest of the villages to see if the number of accidents go down?

If it doesn't improve safety, which admittedly is hard to measure, close calls and all than maybe the rest of the districts could help chip in to defray the cost. That may set up a president. So the next time an idea comes along one district could try it out and the other districts would help defray the cost if it fails or add the same service if it doesn't.

This strikes me as an opportunity to try new ideas out.

Are there a lot of accidents now?

Navy (SSBN 633) 09-04-2015 12:07 PM

I live in District 8 and DO NOT want striping. I cant believe our "esteemed" supervisors voted for this after voting it down project wide. Unbelievable waste of OUR $$$$$!!!!!

tomwed 09-04-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1108838)
Are there a lot of accidents now?

Who knows?

Buckeye Bob 09-04-2015 12:44 PM

From what I've read on this issue, the cost is less than $1 a year per household so I don't know that it's that much of an issue. My opinion is if there is striping to be done at all, it makes a lot more sense to have it in the center rather than the sides. :mornincoffee:

johnnyb 09-04-2015 01:22 PM

very sad day when the people who live in district 8 have no say as to how our money is being spent.
where is this 1 mile of path that is so dangerous located?
complete waste of money

TheVillageChicken 09-04-2015 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyb (Post 1108898)
very sad day when the people who live in district 8 have no say as to how our money is being spent.
where is this 1 mile of path that is so dangerous located?
complete waste of money

Here's how that works. A majority of voters elect an official. That official now has the proxy authority to spend all the voters' money. My advice is to worry more about how this process unfolds on a national level.

manaboutown 09-04-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1108906)
Here's how that works. A majority of voters elect an official. That official now has the proxy authority to spend all the voter's money. My advice is to worry more about how this process unfolds on a national level.

Boy do I concur with this!

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of the cart path striping will be as far as cart drivers are concerned. Will they like it? Will they not like it? Will carting become safer?

It seems to me that after experiencing driving some striped cart paths folks will know whether to stripe or not elsewhere in The Villages.

Callaway Guy 09-04-2015 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1108779)
I read that CDD 8 had the courage to go ahead and vote it in for their District. Like it or not you have to give them credit for taking action on something they want and the Village's District Management did not want them to have. Actually if we are being clear we could say the people who live outside The Village's did not want them to have.:BigApplause:


I could get pretty damn courageous if I had the power to make a decision to spend RETIRED people's money, who wouldn't? The PWAC is not going to spend a dime on this idiot decision; the RETIRED residents of CDD 8 are going to have to pay for this. I'm really p/o about this; I didn't work hard all my life to come to a place where three people want to frivolously spend RETIRED folks money so they can puff their chest out and say "look what we've done". It's easy as hell to do when you spend RETIRED folks money to do it. Oh, did I mention they're spending RETIRED folk's money to do this????? I live in CDD 8 and there are plenty of people here who thinks this rogue decision to paint side stripes is STUPID.

virgind 09-04-2015 02:39 PM

Shall we check some pocket books. Just like the tree issue. Almost. Problem if one district does the others will follow.

memason 09-04-2015 03:07 PM

No one is gonna come to your door and ask for $5 to pay for the stripes! These funds are already sitting there and you are not going to get a refund. It's your amenity fees that you pay every month. They are spent to maintain and make things better for all of us.

Personally, I am happy that they spend that money on things I can see. Marking the paths is a good thing, in my opinion. I would rather have the silver reflectors along the side of the paths, but that is just my personal preference. Any markings are better than none.

Like others have said, I am a little disappointed that these districts cannot agree on something this simple and keep the Villages consistent.

Callaway Guy 09-04-2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by memason (Post 1108950)
Like others have said, I am a little disappointed that these districts cannot agree on something this simple and keep the Villages consistent.

4 up north has yellow stripes down the center; 8 will have white (who knows) stripes down the sides. What's next, alternating center and side stripes with another CDD? I can hear it now after an accident, "I felt too crowded on the side with those stripes, that's why I was driving over the center". Yea, a center with no clear definition.

billethkid 09-04-2015 04:28 PM

If you live in the area in question and are not happy with the decision and you have not called or contacted the representatives....shame on you.

Those elected, even at this level are special interest, politically or in some other way motivated. They need to be overwhelmed by the majority.....which never seems to happen....therefore they get to do what they want.


Hmmmnnnn that all has a familiar ring to it!

Polar Bear 09-04-2015 04:52 PM

Side stripping of the golf cart path
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1108994)
...Those elected...need to be overwhelmed by the majority.....which never seems to happen...

Big assumption here...what if the majority are silent because they have no objection?

Bogie Shooter 09-04-2015 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1108860)
Who knows?

Then what does your idea accomplish?

bagboy 09-04-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1108814)
Isn't this a great opportunity for the rest of the villages to see if the number of accidents go down?

If it doesn't improve safety, which admittedly is hard to measure, close calls and all than maybe the rest of the districts could help chip in to defray the cost. That may set up a president. So the next time an idea comes along one district could try it out and the other districts would help defray the cost if it fails or add the same service if it doesn't.

This strikes me as an opportunity to try new ideas out.

Sir, we are talking one mile of MMP in district 8, not a good test sample in my opinion.

bagboy 09-04-2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1108860)
Who knows?

The district knows and it has been published. 67 accidents in 4 years, 12 fatalities, and I think only 3 or 4 accidents after dusk in those 4 years.

bagboy 09-04-2015 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob (Post 1108879)
From what I've read on this issue, the cost is less than $1 a year per household so I don't know that it's that much of an issue. My opinion is if there is striping to be done at all, it makes a lot more sense to have it in the center rather than the sides. :mornincoffee:

I remember my days living in Ohio. And I also remember various levies proposed to be on the ballot for schools, public works, etc. And the selling point was..it's only $32 dollars per $100,000 home value, and then it's only $79 per $100,000 home value. And before you know it, your yearly tax bill goes from $1800 per year to $7500 per year. Been there, seen that.

alurb 09-04-2015 05:56 PM

side stripping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by virgind (Post 1108664)
Some one please tell me why the side stripping of the golf cart paths have to be done. Thats an expence that is a waste of money.

Just a center stripe like on the G.C. bridge for safety please...

OCsun 09-04-2015 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Callaway Guy (Post 1108932)
I could get pretty damn courageous if I had the power to make a decision to spend RETIRED people's money, who wouldn't? The PWAC is not going to spend a dime on this idiot decision; the RETIRED residents of CDD 8 are going to have to pay for this. I'm really p/o about this; I didn't work hard all my life to come to a place where three people want to frivolously spend RETIRED folks money so they can puff their chest out and say "look what we've done". It's easy as hell to do when you spend RETIRED folks money to do it. Oh, did I mention they're spending RETIRED folk's money to do this????? I live in CDD 8 and there are plenty of people here who thinks this rogue decision to paint side stripes is STUPID.

The cost amounts to approximately 20 cent per home per year. :loco:

bagboy 09-04-2015 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1108994)
If you live in the area in question and are not happy with the decision and you have not called or contacted the representatives....shame on you.

Those elected, even at this level are special interest, politically or in some other way motivated. They need to be overwhelmed by the majority.....which never seems to happen....therefore they get to do what they want.


Hmmmnnnn that all has a familiar ring to it!

Yes it does. I contacted my reps and district this morning via email. I did get a response from one district supervisor and his stance was...it's only .20 per household. And so the next whimsical project will be how much per household?

virgind 09-04-2015 06:08 PM

Impeachment get the rope

njbchbum 09-04-2015 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1109017)
The district knows and it has been published. 67 accidents in 4 years, 12 fatalities, and I think only 3 or 4 accidents after dusk in those 4 years.

Thanx for those stats...are they just for District 8? If not, do you have the stats just for that District?

tomwed 09-04-2015 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1109012)
Then what does your idea accomplish?

Someone sees a need in all the districts. i.e. Cart Passenger Safety
They propose a solution. i.e. Stripes
My idea is simply to add stripes in one district and see if it improves safety.
If it does not work than the other districts share the expense of the experiment.
If it does improve safety, less accidents, the other districts adopt the solution. i.e. Stripes

You asked me if there was safety problem. Is there too many accidents?
And I asked the group who knows how many accidents there were?

I asked "Who knows?".

virgind 09-04-2015 07:02 PM

Probably all those fatalities were with an automobile maybe one or two were cart to cart. One was a mans wife fell out as he was turning into a tunnel. Probably going to fast. I doubt any of the deaths were because of no center line. Many I would say was because the driver was drunk. Lets be honest about this stuff. This is beginning to sound like Washington. Just a way to squander away money. If that is the only way to get rid of overage on funds then cut the amenity fees .

JoMar 09-04-2015 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navy (SSBN 633) (Post 1108857)
I live in District 8 and DO NOT want striping. I cant believe our "esteemed" supervisors voted for this after voting it down project wide. Unbelievable waste of OUR $$$$$!!!!!

Remember this when elections come around. The problem is, as it is everywhere, the strong don't run, and stuff happens. A supervisor position anywhere takes intestinal fortitude to do what makes sense and very few have that anymore. They want the position but don't want the personal exposure that comes with it.

JoMar 09-04-2015 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memason (Post 1108950)
No one is gonna come to your door and ask for $5 to pay for the stripes! These funds are already sitting there and you are not going to get a refund. It's your amenity fees that you pay every month. They are spent to maintain and make things better for all of us.

Personally, I am happy that they spend that money on things I can see. Marking the paths is a good thing, in my opinion. I would rather have the silver reflectors along the side of the paths, but that is just my personal preference. Any markings are better than none.

Like others have said, I am a little disappointed that these districts cannot agree on something this simple and keep the Villages consistent.

It's not simple because there are a lot of us that see no need for stripping.

JoMar 09-04-2015 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1109017)
The district knows and it has been published. 67 accidents in 4 years, 12 fatalities, and I think only 3 or 4 accidents after dusk in those 4 years.

But not on the MMP's. I believe the issue is the MMP's not the collisions with cars on the roads.

Villageswimmer 09-04-2015 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyb (Post 1108898)
very sad day when the people who live in district 8 have no say as to how our money is being spent.
where is this 1 mile of path that is so dangerous located?
complete waste of money

Agree and, yes, we contacted the supervisors before this passed and asked them not to vote yes on this. I don't know anyone in 8 who wants it.

tomwed 09-04-2015 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCsun (Post 1109025)
The cost amounts to approximately 20 cent per home per year. :loco:

I lose more than that in my couch every week.

golf2140 09-04-2015 08:19 PM

I just drove home from Brownwood in the dark and got home safely without lines in the paths !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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