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looneycat 10-01-2015 10:54 AM

I will not go pink
 
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

graciegirl 10-01-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%



Give to all of them. When you are diagnosed with any of them you are really scared.

looneycat 10-01-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1122582)
Give to all of them. When you are diagnosed with any of them you are really scared.

when I give, and I do, I give to cancer research

kansasr 10-01-2015 11:23 AM

While I don't know the source of your data, I can tell you that, among women, breast cancer is the second leading cause of death, exceeded only by lung cancer and greater than colorectal cancer. (US Cancer Statistics Working Group).

As the second leading cause of death among women, I for one have no trouble wearing pink to support this cause.

Villager Joyce 10-01-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

If you don't wish to support breast cancer, that is your right. I don't understand your need to come on TOTV and spew your hatred. A large percentage of tbe population has or had breast cancer or a family member has or was lost to breast cancer. It has nothing to do with boobs. It has to do with cancer. I'm trying to keep this civil enough so the admin don't remove it. Just know what I think would not pass mustard.

Lovey2 10-01-2015 11:31 AM

YIKES! to the person diagnosed, and their families, any cancer can be, and often is, deadly. You have a right to not play, but it's not so cool to make light of an awful disease that has killed so many, and usually disfigured those that have lived thru it. I don't think it is a boob "obsession". Methinks the boob issue is not where you lay it.

jnieman 10-01-2015 11:34 AM

I don't see the need to post those statistics on this board.

justjim 10-01-2015 11:56 AM

I was under the impression that wearing pink on Fridays during October was just showing support for an overall cancer cure. Oh well, I will wear pink anyway for whatever........

Jima64 10-01-2015 12:37 PM

Pleast remember that breast cancer is also a male problem. It is not a "boob" thing!

Jima64 10-01-2015 12:41 PM

Thank you
 
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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1122592)
While I don't know the source of your data, I can tell you that, among women, breast cancer is the second leading cause of death, exceeded only by lung cancer and greater than colorectal cancer. (US Cancer Statistics Working Group).

As the second leading cause of death among women, I for one have no trouble wearing pink to support this cause.

I hope the poster of the statistics realizes that by hacving these "popular events" women are sometimes fortunate to detect the cancer early enough to treat and survive it. Sometimes I wonder why a person would have a problem with another persons efforts to help people. Again thanks for your posting.

looneycat 10-01-2015 01:22 PM

so that is all you haters take away from my post. I guess your blind knee jerk reactions are stronger than your reading skills. make light? preclude other cancers? where do you get this crap. kansar I don't know where you get your stats but mine ARE accurate. I feel sorry for anyone who has cancer but would love to see the majority of the money donated going towards the most lethal forms and breast cancer, thanks to past donations, is not even close. breast cancer is most lethal when it has spread and become one of the other forms...and no, money given to breast cancer usually stays with it.According to to american cancer society ther were 40,000 deaths in 2014 from breast cancer...there were 163,000 deaths from respiratory cancer and 148,000 digestive system cancer.

looneycat 10-01-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1122592)
While I don't know the source of your data, I can tell you that, among women, breast cancer is the second leading cause of death, exceeded only by lung cancer and greater than colorectal cancer. (US Cancer Statistics Working Group).

As the second leading cause of death among women, I for one have no trouble wearing pink to support this cause.

I doubt their numbers are for mortality, you are quoting incidence not mortality, only 10.8% of breast cancer cases cause death. read with your brain not just your eyes. I say this afterreading the uscwg stats at the cdc website.

looneycat 10-01-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1122596)
If you don't wish to support breast cancer, that is your right. I don't understand your need to come on TOTV and spew your hatred. A large percentage of tbe population has or had breast cancer or a family member has or was lost to breast cancer. It has nothing to do with boobs. It has to do with cancer. I'm trying to keep this civil enough so the admin don't remove it. Just know what I think would not pass mustard.

when the daily rags front page is all about pink ribbons I felt it necessary to post, not that that is your business. the only hate here is yours. I did not say I don't support finding a cure for cancer quite the contrary, I said we need to spend more of the money on other forms, and to those who aren't so mean spirited, that would resolve quite a few of the breast cancer mortalities since those often are due to the cancer morphing into other forms and spreading. and yes I say boobs because any honest man will tell you that is why they support it as well, because its easy if it is of interest to them...I did say honest man, and yes men die of it too 400 of the 40,430 deaths in 2014 were men.

fred53 10-01-2015 01:41 PM

Well your screen name...
 
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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

is certainly appropriate...don't go pink...who cares?

looneycat 10-01-2015 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovey2 (Post 1122598)
YIKES! to the person diagnosed, and their families, any cancer can be, and often is, deadly. You have a right to not play, but it's not so cool to make light of an awful disease that has killed so many, and usually disfigured those that have lived thru it. I don't think it is a boob "obsession". Methinks the boob issue is not where you lay it.

make light by showing how many people actually die? you call that making light?? where did I say any of what you inferred? that's pretty flawed thinking that just because the word boob was used in the place of breasts it means I take this lightly? what i see is someone quick to attack. shame on you.

looneycat 10-01-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jima64 (Post 1122658)
Pleast remember that breast cancer is also a male problem. It is not a "boob" thing!

so you don't have breasts? please explain. where did I say it was not a male issue? .01 of the breast cancer deaths are male.

Lovey2 10-01-2015 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122694)
make light by showing how many people actually die? you call that making light?? where did I say any of what you inferred? that's pretty flawed thinking that just because the word boob was used in the place of breasts it means I take this lightly? what i see is someone quick to attack. shame on you.

I don't wanna fight with you. Apparently I'm not the only one that "misread" your post. YOU said it was a boob obsession, and most recently said most men only support it because its boobs. The word you used doesn't matter...boob, breast, tata...whatever, YOU called it an obsession. I know several men who's wives have had their breasts removed and could not give a damn about the "breast", it's their wife they are concerned with. Again, I think YOU have the boob issue. And I return: Shame on you!

looneycat 10-01-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovey2 (Post 1122715)
I don't wanna fight with you. Apparently I'm not the only one that "misread" your post. YOU said it was a boob obsession, and most recently said most men only support it because its boobs. The word you used doesn't matter...boob, breast, tata...whatever, YOU called it an obsession. I know several men who's wives have had their breasts removed and could not give a damn about the "breast", it's their wife they are concerned with. Again, I think YOU have the boob issue. And I return: Shame on you!

sigh! again I repeat what is it about boob obsession that means any of the things you have assumed? and yes I said men get behind it because they like breasts, so? it is true. it means it is something they can get behind because they are familiar with breasts. if you called it vagina cancer they would be squeamish to be involved. I won't argue that point it takes honesty to admit it and those here that would deny it do so only to argue.And if you say that those same men whose wives had to go through the pain and anguish associated with breast cancer never were attracted by or stimulated by their wives breasts you are living in fantasyland.I stand by my statements.

outlaw 10-01-2015 02:55 PM

What color goes with prostate cancer month?

Lovey2 10-01-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122739)
sigh! again I repeat what is it about boob obsession that means any of the things you have assumed? and yes I said men get behind it because they like breasts, so? it is true. it means it is something they can get behind because they are familiar with breasts. if you called it vagina cancer they would be squeamish to be involved. I won't argue that point it takes honesty to admit it and those here that would deny it do so only to argue.And if you say that those same men whose wives had to go through the pain and anguish associated with breast cancer never were attracted by or stimulated by their wives breasts you are living in fantasyland.I stand by my statements.

You have sexualized breast cancer. I have no words for that. Suffice it to say, I am shocked and feel badly for you. I can't imagine your outlook on so many other issues if this is how you look at breast cancer. Clearly we will never agree, so stand by your statements, it's your right, and I will bow out of this thread. I sincerely hope this never hits home for you or any of yours.

graciegirl 10-01-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122699)
so you don't have breasts? please explain. where did I say it was not a male issue? .01 of the breast cancer deaths are male.



I know you mean well. I think I understand what you are saying.


When cancer strikes it devastates anyone associated with it. So breast cancer badly harms men who love women who get it and lung cancer tears apart the lives of family members who don't have it. Cancer SUCKS. All kinds.


It is all as scary as hell. It all can kill and does kill and anyone dealing with the diagnosis, either hearing they have it or someone they love has it are rendered frightened to death and hopeless for awhile. Some cancers almost always kill and others kill too often. I don't think we should be arguing about where our money goes.


Just give your support and prayers to all affected and your money to what ever one feels right for you. It all will help. Someone.


Sending my caring thoughts to anyone fighting cancer right now and to the people who love them. Helene and I are survivors. 13 people in my family have survived cancer.

looneycat 10-01-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fred53 (Post 1122680)
is certainly appropriate...don't go pink...who cares?

as yours is unimaginative. and that is correct if you don't care that is your prerogative.

Villager Joyce 10-01-2015 04:15 PM

Gracie, you proved what a good person you are by trying to explain the actions of a lunatic, I mean looneycat. Unfortunately LCs responses proved over and over the reality that the responding posters did not misread the OP.

looneycat 10-01-2015 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1122754)
I know you mean well. I think I understand what you are saying.


Sending my caring thoughts to anyone fighting cancer right now and to the people who love them. Helene and I are survivors. 13 people in my family have survived cancer.

what I offered was perspective. what I found, astonishingly, was people affronted because their cancer issue was far from the most deadly. I did not and would never say that any form of cancer is not an awful experience. I have lost several female relatives to cancer, my sister has had breast cancer so yes I'm very familiar with the anxiety and fear it produces.

Barefoot 10-01-2015 05:58 PM

Nevermind.

jscottb 10-01-2015 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1122596)
If you don't wish to support breast cancer, that is your right. I don't understand your need to come on TOTV and spew your hatred. A large percentage of tbe population has or had breast cancer or a family member has or was lost to breast cancer. It has nothing to do with boobs. It has to do with cancer. I'm trying to keep this civil enough so the admin don't remove it. Just know what I think would not pass mustard.

It's not hate, It's facts.

Retiring 10-01-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jima64 (Post 1122658)
Pleast remember that breast cancer is also a male problem. It is not a "boob" thing!

I lost a good friend to breast cancer. He was 49 years old. He had been in remission for about 5 yrs, that horrible thing came back and took him. About 400-500 men die each year of breast cancer. Sounds like a small number, until you’re one of them. RIP EJ.

redwitch 10-01-2015 06:47 PM

LC, I do understand the point you're trying to make. My father died from bladder cancer, my mother from a brain tumor, my brother had been diagnosed with stomach cancer although he died in a diving accident shortly after his diagnosis, I somehow survived melanoma. Any cancer diagnosis is devastating.

I agree that more money needs to be spent on other cancers. However, if breast cancer had not come to the public's attention, it would still be one of the deadliest cancers like it was in the fifties and sixties. Public awareness has made a huge difference. Little by little, other cancers are coming into the limelight. Hopefully, they will reach the low statistics that breast cancer has today. In the meantime, I'll wear my pink if, for no other reason, than to celebrate the declining numbers for breast cancer deaths. But I'll donate to ACS for cancer research rather than for a specific form of cancer.

manaboutown 10-01-2015 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1122850)
LC, I do understand the point you're trying to make. My father died from bladder cancer, my mother from a brain tumor, my brother had been diagnosed with stomach cancer although he died in a diving accident shortly after his diagnosis, I somehow survived melanoma. Any cancer diagnosis is devastating.

I agree that more money needs to be spent on other cancers. However, if breast cancer had not come to the public's attention, it would still be one of the deadliest cancers like it was in the fifties and sixties. Public awareness has made a huge difference. Little by little, other cancers are coming into the limelight. Hopefully, they will reach the low statistics that breast cancer has today. In the meantime, I'll wear my pink if, for no other reason, than to celebrate the declining numbers for breast cancer deaths. But I'll donate to ACS for cancer research rather than for a specific form of cancer.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

Until almost three years ago I had not really given any type of cancer much thought. My parents (and my father smoked for 80 years!), aunts, uncles and cousins had not, to my knowledge, suffered any cancers although some friends had. Then my daughter developed stage IV GBM, the brain cancer that killed Ted Kennedy. So far so good but some of the patients we have gotten to know in a monthly support group have passed away. Several of them had initially been hit by breast or other cancers which "migrated" and presented as brain tumors.

We do the brain tumor walks and contribute to that cause.

One just really never knows. I got hit with an early stage melanoma less than a year ago, had a Mohs procedure, and so far so good.

Much of today's cancer research which seems promising is directed toward developing immune system stimulation. Many times research can lead to different results than those sought. Corning glass and Viagra are two such examples. One just never knows. I support research for ALL cancers.

Loudoll 10-01-2015 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=looneycat;1122579]while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

It makes me sad to see in the oncologist's office all the pink ribbons, the fundraiser posters, upcoming events, etc. while my husband waits for his grueling prostate cancer treatment there. Only breast cancer matters.

asianthree 10-01-2015 07:53 PM

Op wear pink or not. Glad you are not on any three day walk to raise money. Pink for as far as you can see. There has been cancer in our family. I :BigApplause: for those who walk the walk.

Happinow 10-01-2015 08:04 PM

I have a sister who didn't survive cancer.....I have made a beautiful breast cancer wreath in her honor. I'm happy to make one for anyone who would like to honor someone who has survived or who have lost, or just to show support.

looneycat 10-01-2015 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1122850)
LC, I do understand the point you're trying to make. My father died from bladder cancer, my mother from a brain tumor, my brother had been diagnosed with stomach cancer although he died in a diving accident shortly after his diagnosis, I somehow survived melanoma. Any cancer diagnosis is devastating.

I agree that more money needs to be spent on other cancers. However, if breast cancer had not come to the public's attention, it would still be one of the deadliest cancers like it was in the fifties and sixties. Public awareness has made a huge difference. Little by little, other cancers are coming into the limelight. Hopefully, they will reach the low statistics that breast cancer has today. In the meantime, I'll wear my pink if, for no other reason, than to celebrate the declining numbers for breast cancer deaths. But I'll donate to ACS for cancer research rather than for a specific form of cancer.

:agree:

looneycat 10-01-2015 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1122884)
Op wear pink or not. Glad you are not on any three day walk to raise money. Pink for as far as you can see. There has been cancer in our family. I :BigApplause: for those who walk the walk.

as do I, for me it is not my cause specifically. I do not in any way denigrate anyone's dedication to their cause

golf2140 10-01-2015 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

Wow, do you feel better. I will support Pink because it supports cancer research

Cedwards38 10-02-2015 06:46 AM

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Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-02-2015 06:58 AM

Nothing wrong with supporting breast cancer research or any type of cancer research for that matter. I have a young niece who is now battling breast cancer and it's a horrible ordeal.

It is a bit perplexing however, how so much public attention is given to breast cancer and ovarian cancer when the number one killer of women is heart disease, causing 1 in 3 deaths each year. That’s approximately one woman every minute!

I guess the people behind the breast cancer campaign have just done a better public relations job.

wudda1955 10-02-2015 07:19 AM

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I guess the people behind the breast cancer campaign have just done a better public relations job.
Exactly. This explains why breast cancer is in the spotlight and other types are not.

RickeyD 10-02-2015 07:32 AM

Lung cancer is number three on this list. My wife had lung cancer 5 years ago. She has never smoked. There is a stigma associated with lung cancer in that those afflicted did it to themselves. My wife did nothing to harm her lungs. There is an entire wing dedicated to breast cancer at Stonybrook University hospital in NY. The oncology wing serves everyone else. It's a political football as to which disease is the disease of the decade. It use to be polio, and MS. Now its breast cancer. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The other wheels simply get f***ed.

outlaw 10-02-2015 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1123016)
Lung cancer is number three on this list. My wife had lung cancer 5 years ago. She has never smoked. There is a stigma associated with lung cancer in that those afflicted did it to themselves. My wife did nothing to harm her lungs. There is an entire wing dedicated to breast cancer at Stonybrook University hospital in NY. The oncology wing serves everyone else. It's a political football as to which disease is the disease of the decade. It use to be polio, and MS. Now its breast cancer. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The other wheels simply get f***ed.

I notice there seems to be more lung cancers going on; non-smoking related. What are the doctors telling you the probable causes are?


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