A somewhat different point of view ...
 

... from an active political scientist (not me...):

Candidates know things about each other that the rest of us will never know. Remember what they say about each other. Yes, of course it's political grandstanding, and each hopes to win, but we know before anything is definite that the losers of each party will support the winner of the respective party.

So, remember what they say about each other, because there are truths there that we would not otherwise know. This applies to both parties. Hillary carries the baggage of her husband, no matter what, and she cannot escape it. Rubio, like Obama, has had little experience other than a few years as a US senator, for those who complained all along that Obama didn't have the experience for the presidency. These are just two examples.

The political health of our country is at stake. For those who say that this is business as usual, they may be right. But we at least can be as conscious as we can about who will ultimately be our candidates, and listening to them campaigning is important in knowing not only them but their opponents as well....

You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

And with the lowering of the qualifications bar by Obama's acceptance there is no issue!

No Kennedy was 43. You are writing this on a computer....look it up. You really should do YOUR research...

You are totally right. It must have been the lack of coffee this morning. I have no idea why I said "30's" when everyone knows he was 43 years old. That was a big deal when he was elected. That and him being a Catholic.

My bad. I admit it. I am chagrined. :mornincoffee:

JFK was a member of congress at around age 30, and elected to the senate at age 36. THEN he was youngest elected president at age 43.

I was just using Clinton and Rubio as examples: Clinton having her husband as an albatross around her neck, and Rubio having the same (I should have said) US Senate experience as people have complained that Obama had and that it was inadequate. Again, these were just examples; I re-read what I wrote and see that I never mentioned Cruz.

My OP was before the Iowa caucuses. Things do change, don't they? Even so, I see the point that was made to me: to remember what these candidates say about each other. Granted we have to weed out the conspicuous lies, but beyond this, there are things they know about each other that we do not....

Don't forget about all the experience he got working for his brother-in-law.

You make a good observation. However, there is NO perfect candidate. Never will be. Everyone filters the pluses and minuses of each candidate and then picks the one they find is closest to their ideology, and with the least corruption. Other than Hillary's followers. They choose out of their belief that she will be the first female president, whether she would make a good one or not. Same thing they did with Obama. They also support Hillary, even knowing that she is a felon, that she lies, that she stays with her husband for political gain only, and that she is culpable in the cover up in Benghazi. That is much worst than merely filtering through a candidate's faults.

Now more than ever!
 

As the primaries unfold, more than ever is the importance of remembering what candidates say about each other. They know things about each other that we'll never know, and now is the time to make note of them. Though this year is certainly different, when the primaries are over and each party picks a candidate, then the losing candidate(s) will support the winner--and to some extent the truth will disappear. And who knows? This year there could even be an independent running, which will certainly make things even more strange.

Not sure what baggage you're referring to here but it to any honest observer it is totally unfair if you're referring to Bill Clinton's sexual exploits. Now you may WANT to attach it to his wife but...... like I said, no honest observer would blame Hillary.

As a progressive I love sitting back and watching republicans show the world what classless, clowns are representing their party. Truth is, these classless clowns are just a reflection of the people of their party.

All I can say is when someone throws rocks like the above....a person who belongs to a party that has as it's major choice to represent them in a presidential race....a felon.....a liar....an incompetent....professed continuation of Obama's reign....untrustworthy....self centered....unqualified....past her prime (if there ever was one)....whose only ohter claim to fame is being married to Slick Willie......

you really are high on the sauce....
you are a radical, no matter what partisan....
you have no idea what you just said.....

playing it safe would be all the above.

...and Trump, rubio, and Cruz represent class?

They are clowns riding around in circles in their Republican clown car in circles until te clown car goes over a cliff.

Hillary has testified in front of Gowdy's hearings and the Americans have seen those were totally partisan hearings that produced nothing except a waste of money.

In order to be a felon, you must be convicted of a felony. Oh, you are a Republican so you can say what you want? Get a life.

Lies? Look at Trump, Rubio, and Cruz as prime examples of liars.

Rubio will not even win his home state in the primary! He is a loser.

I don't agree with your statement that Bill Clinton is Hillary's "albatross". My god, the economy was never better under his administration. We actually had a surplus. He is enormously popular with Democrats, despite the Lewinsky thing; his poll numbers were good when he left office, and still are. He has proven himself popular with the black voters, and they are an important part of the election equation, especially in the face of Trump's racism should he get the nomination.

Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

So the downside for Rubio is listed above. However the baggage being carried by Hillary is being ignored

what a country!

Personal Best Regards:

Good economy? And you won't address the fact that he refused to kill Bin Laden when all he had to do was give the sniper that green light. He is also instrumental in the mortgage crisis, which was also part of the collapse of the housing bubble. Yep, he was a pillar, but more like a pile.......a pile of sh...

He may have held office for that time be he has a habit of not showing up for work.

So in his years in the Senate what bill(s) that he proposed, not signed on to, have been made into law?

If nobody ever heard of Obama and nobody seemed to give a damn about whether he did his job or not....why is it all of a sudden such a big :swear:
deal?

Ooooppps. I forgot Obama is a democrat....hence no problem!

BS!

When we speak about candidates and their support how do you suppose it happened that Jim Webb or Martin O'malley could not even make the needle move slightly compared to Hillary. How is it Hillary just overshadowed both these guys. Was it the message, experience, past performance, etc.? I think it is the America system of picking leaders, it is completely rigged and depends on keeping voters ignorant. The media makes so mush money from these campaigns they are not the pit bulls they used to be, or should be. I just don't see any way in a sane system Hillary could completely bury Webb and O'malley, both I think should have at least be able to make a showing.

Do we want Bill Clinton to influence the affairs of this country again. Then another scandal like before . No. And can Trump really be any worse than what we have. Maybe but then maybe not.

So what THREE(3) bills did Hillary pass while in the senate??? That's all she did in the whole time she occupied a seat in congress.

Right, let's elect Trump and have the KKK influence the affairs of this country. Not.

Ruby has been a Senator for four years during which he has missed close to 50 percent of Committee meetings and Senate votes.

In actuality he has been a Senator for less than one year.

The rest of the time he plays those who voted for him for the gullible fools they are

There are pages of things that she accomplished, that have been posted on this website. People like you just refuse to read the facts because they don't support your view of reality.

Sheesh!.....
 

Kennedy was in his 40's!!!!! You talk about someone doing their research. A simple google search proves you a maroon!!!!!

Hey, I didn't realize you were still posting. Haven't seen you in a long time. How are the cats doing? Have to get together over a Maker's Mark sometime.

Lies by the left. She has accomplished NOTHING. Anyone can embellish on a resume'. Intelligent people can see through the BS. She passed three, and only three bills in the senate and not one of them did anything that made a difference in anyone's lives. The Clintions are scumbags and leaches.

That was already addressed, idiot. Are you brainless?

Not true. Do you want to compare his record with Kerry's or Obama's, etc? He had more than one committee requirement and found it hard to show up for all of them at one time. Why don't you quit repeating liberal talking points and do a bit of your won research? That way, you don't look like an idiot. As if that would be possible.

Other than the issue of him not disavowing the KKK endorsement immediately upon hearing of it, Trump has not ever shown racial bias. I have no intention of voting for him, but if you are going to ignorantly disparage someone, I will correct you. You really should try not to parrot everything that the liar Killary says, before finding out if there is any fact involved. Surely you know by now that what she says is likely a lie.

What is wrong with being a racist anymore?
Obama has shown that playing the race card must be OK.....he has done so continuously for 7 plus years and most of his life before coming out of the shadows of being unknown.

Hollywood uses racism as a matter of course.

Sharpton, Jackson, Obama (both of them) are the racial prime movers of the day.

So if they do it it is OK? And anybody else is called on it.

BS!

Baffling.
 

I am the OP of this thread, and if anyone will read my OP, you can see that there was NOTHING partisan in it. It was an idea given to me by a political scientist to keep track of what candidates say about each other BEFORE each party finally chooses a candidate, as those comments will disappear under the rug by then. That was all I was passing on. This point gets more and more relevant as the primary season continues. Can ANYONE address a non-partisan suggestion about a political process without becoming partisan themselves--and without deteriorating into insults and name calling?

Yes, I have received many resume's embellished with fluff and no substance. I can understand why you would vote for her, if you find her references to be that good. She should get together with Trump as a team, because they are both liars. Oh, that's right they have been together in the past. He has paid her quite a few times. It's a moot point anyway, because it's only a matter of time before she is taken out of the game. Might as well start concentrating on Sanders now, because it looks like he will have to carry on for Dem party. Nice to know that the Dem party is going to us a socialist to represent them. That should be good for a very few votes.

Felon? Elaborate or take a seat!

There are too many posts that explain that Hillary is a felon that it's not necessary to consume time explaining it to you. If you are not familiar with her crimes, then you are too uninformed to vote, because you are several years behind current events. You should be ashamed to admit that you do not even know your own candidate.

For example:

CAN IT BE ANY CLEARER?? « A Nation Beguiled

We expect the attack on the source.....but if you don't like this one there are just too many to ignore.

The only savings grace Clinton has, to date anyway, is the threat of implication of Obama and others.

Otherwise she would be behind bars just as quick as Petraeus was!

:agree:...:thumbup:

This seems more and more relevant as the campaigns continue....

I pay a lot of attention to what all the candidates say.
Do you think there is lying, twisting the truth and exaggerating this time more so then in any other past presidential election?

Nope, if their lips are moving they are definitely lying.