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Chatbrat 03-14-2016 04:05 PM

Homeowner walks in on 2 burglars
 
Just read on the online paper that a homeowner, walked in on 2 burglars.
The homeowner left his residence & returns an half hour later & there were two
bad guys in his house.

Another reason to get a carry permit & carry all the time.

Walter123 03-14-2016 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1198595)
Just read on the online paper that a homeowner, walked in on 2 burglars.
The homeowner left his residence & returns an half hour later & there were two
bad guys in his house.

Another reason to get a carry permit & carry all the time.

Agreed.

redwitch 03-14-2016 04:25 PM

The is any property really worth the death of another human? Sorry, I'd be running out of the house faster than the burglars. If they start to come after me, then I'll shoot. Otherwise, I'll let the Sheriff handle it.

As the online news reported, the two burglars were masked and fled the second they saw the homeowner.

Walt. 03-14-2016 05:19 PM

Burglars? Why so harsh? It was probably the parents of some starving young child who were driven from their homes by poverty brought on by some cruel businessman (who looks a lot like the guy from the Monopoly game). They were just about to take a sandwich from the refrigerator (for their child) when the homeowner showed up. Before they could explain (and give a post-dated check for the food), the misguided homeowner jumped to conclusions and thought the worst. I think he should apologize.

Walter123 03-14-2016 05:23 PM

[QUOTE=redwitch;1198611]The is any property really worth the death of another human? Sorry, I'd be running out of the house faster than the burglars. If they start to come after me, then I'll shoot. Otherwise, I'll let the Sheriff handle it.

I agree.

Shooting should always be your last choice but it is good to have that choice.

Walter123 03-14-2016 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Walt. (Post 1198642)
Burglars? Why so harsh? It was probably the parents of some starving young child who were driven from their homes by poverty brought on by some cruel businessman (who looks a lot like the guy from the Monopoly game). They were just about to take a sandwich from the refrigerator (for their child) when the homeowner showed up. Before they could explain (and give a post-dated check for the food), the misguided homeowner jumped to conclusions and thought the worst. I think he should apologize.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

Chatbrat 03-14-2016 06:32 PM

When You startle a bad guy , hope you can shoot fast & straight- & remember to empty your weapon
When the LEO's show up-remember the following statement, " I will cooperate with you 100 % after my lawyer arrives" till then shut your mouth !!!

kcrazorbackfan 03-14-2016 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1198686)
When You startle a bad guy , hope you can shoot fast & straight- & remember to empty your weapon
When the LEO's show up-remember the following statement, " I will cooperate with you 100 % after my lawyer arrives" till then shut your mouth !!!

And don't forget "I felt that my life and the life of my spouse was in imminent danger".

tomwed 03-14-2016 08:30 PM

What did the masks look like?
[I guess that's not too important.]

buzzy 03-14-2016 10:05 PM

Wait a minute. If they are in your house and you are outside, can't they use the castle doctrine to defend themselves? Possession is 9 tenth of the law.

tomwed 03-14-2016 10:26 PM

This happened while my son was attending:
Samurai Sword | Sword Fatal To Intruder - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

The student got off. For a little while the student might have been charged since he had options. He could have just called the police. Instead he pursued the thief.

Is that the castle option?

RickeyD 03-15-2016 04:45 AM

[QUOTE=Walter123;1198647]
Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1198611)
The is any property really worth the death of another human? Sorry, I'd be running out of the house faster than the burglars. If they start to come after me, then I'll shoot. Otherwise, I'll let the Sheriff handle it.



I agree.



Shooting should always be your last choice but it is good to have that choice.


If it comes down to a last choice, is there a body part that will disable yet produce minimal blood loss ? My house, my rules.

rubicon 03-15-2016 05:13 AM

In Tennessee you can shoot an intruder in your home. Perhaps the same rule applies in Florida. I know how I would feel if I walked in on a burglar, violated, but I am not certain how I would react?

Do we know what this homeowner did or did not do?

Chatbrat 03-15-2016 05:44 AM

Say nothing -shoot to remove the threat--the police are not your friends in this kind of a situation-when they arrive -make sure you do not have any weapon in the hands & your hands are in plain sight over your head.

graciegirl 03-15-2016 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1198798)
Say nothing -shoot to remove the threat--the police are not your friends in this kind of a situation-when they arrive -make sure you do not have any weapon in the hands & your hands are in plain sight over your head.





OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

Sandtrap328 03-15-2016 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1198816)
OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

Excellent post ! :bigbow:

Fred R 03-15-2016 07:37 AM

I read comments like " if I see robbers I'll just run away and let the police handle it" or "is anyone's property worth the life of a human being" it just makes me sick to my stomach. I had no idea some folks were so gutless down here.....No wonder crime rates in this nation have gone crazy.

outlaw 03-15-2016 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred R (Post 1198840)
I read comments like " if I see robbers I'll just run away and let the police handle it" or "is anyone's property worth the life of a human being" it just makes me sick to my stomach. I had no idea some folks were so gutless down here.....No wonder crime rates in this nation have gone crazy.

Wolves, Sheep, and Sheepdogs...

Walter123 03-15-2016 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1198816)
OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

The trouble is that common sense isn't so common anymore and, it is distorted by just about everything that happens now-a-days. The situation dictates the action one must take.

Taltarzac725 03-15-2016 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1198816)
OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

Thanks, GC.

Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.

I still remember the gun toting woman I know who heard a noise in the middle of the night, pulled out her revolver from the night stand, and shot her vacuum cleaner. Probably made her dog happy as he would not have to hear the vacuum cleaner for a while.

In the ten and a little years I have been in the Villages, I only remember maybe one instance when armed intruders came into a Villagers' home and these were actually friends of their live-in daughter who got into drugs.

Maybe, there were others that I have forgotten.

In Palm Harbor, I used to house sit for a couple who told me to mind the garden as a couple of bank robbers had possible tossed their weapon into it after being corned on the roof next door. This was at night if I remember correctly and the police chopper had a very intense light on the house next door. The sirens had woke up my old house sitting clients. The neighbor hood they are in has two law enforcement officers a few doors down on one side and up a few on the other.

The nearby middle school was also on the look out for where the wayward pistol may have gone.

Never knew what happened to the weapon of the bank robbers.

eremite06 03-15-2016 07:48 AM

How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????

outlaw 03-15-2016 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1198851)
How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????

They didn't miss it. They just don't want to believe it.

outlaw 03-15-2016 07:55 AM

"Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.
"

SMH...:ohdear:

Walter123 03-15-2016 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1198851)
How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????

By luck that worked out for those woman. I told my wife to hand over her purse if that happens to her. I also bought her a non-lethal stun gun. The situation will dictate it's use.

Walter123 03-15-2016 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1198857)
"Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.
"

SMH...:ohdear:

There are apps that will send the picture to whomever you want automatically as soon as you take it, provided you have an opportunity to take a picture which is unlikely in most cases.

dave from deland 03-15-2016 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1198846)
Thanks, GC.

Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.

I still remember the gun toting woman I know who heard a noise in the middle of the night, pulled out her revolver from the night stand, and shot her vacuum cleaner. Probably made her dog happy as he would not have to hear the vacuum cleaner for a while.

In the ten and a little years I have been in the Villages, I only remember maybe one instance when armed intruders came into a Villagers' home and these were actually friends of their live-in daughter who got into drugs.

Maybe, there were others that I have forgotten.

In Palm Harbor, I used to house sit for a couple who told me to mind the garden as a couple of bank robbers had possible tossed their weapon into it after being corned on the roof next door. This was at night if I remember correctly and the police chopper had a very intense light on the house next door. The sirens had woke up my old house sitting clients. The neighbor hood they are in has two law enforcement officers a few doors down on one side and up a few on the other.

The nearby middle school was also on the look out for where the wayward pistol may have gone.

Never knew what happened to the weapon of the bank robbers.

Bad choice to whip out your cell phone and start taking pictures. What if they are armed?. As they say, 'never bring a cell phone to a gun fight or even a knife fight'.

Sandtrap328 03-15-2016 09:41 AM

I would agree that the professionally installed alarm system is the best idea. When the alarmed area is entered, an 85db alarm sounds inside the house and a 120db alarm with flashing strobe outside goes on. No burglar is going to enter that property. He runs off!

CFrance 03-15-2016 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1198816)
OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

You makin' a lotta common sense, girl.:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

graciegirl 03-15-2016 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1198851)
How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????



They were approached by an armed robber and they screamed and the bad guys ran away, just to keep the facts straight.


NOT mugged. Although it has happened. A couple bad people mugged a villager and grabbed her purse near Target a year or so ago. The three counties law enforcement worked together, used security camera footage and hunted them down in Orlando and they are now in the slammer. It wasn't their first rodeo.

eremite06 03-15-2016 10:28 AM

Someone pulls a gun on you, I call that mugged. "to waylay and assault with intent to rob."

graciegirl 03-15-2016 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1198955)
Someone pulls a gun on you, I call that mugged.



I just looked it up and you are right.


CritterLover 03-15-2016 10:46 AM

MY house, family, pets, and stuff... If you come in uninvited, for any reason, God help you.

rexxfan 03-15-2016 11:28 AM

If you're capable of it, I see nothing wrong with being the first responder and defending your own property. If you're not, it would probably be better leave it to those that are.
--
Bob C

Chatbrat 03-15-2016 11:32 AM

The old NYPD saying,"better to be judged by 12 ,than carried out by six"

" you can always hire a lawyer, you can't hire a life"

In general we're too old to run or fight--

graciegirl 03-15-2016 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rexxfan (Post 1199020)
If you're capable of it, I see nothing wrong with being the first responder and defending your own property. If you're not, it would probably be better leave it to those that are.
--
Bob C



When there was a bunch of break ins last year I was getting all nervous and jerky until Sweetie said to me.


"What could they steal that would ruin our life?"


It is just stuff.

Walter123 03-15-2016 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1198957)
I just looked it up and you are right.


Stop yelling! I'm grumpy today.:faint:

Retiring 03-15-2016 12:27 PM

.....

rexxfan 03-15-2016 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1199043)
When there was a bunch of break ins last year I was getting all nervous and jerky until Sweetie said to me.


"What could they steal that would ruin our life?"


It is just stuff.

Personally I agree, though I do not have any really valuable and/or cherished things. I might feel differently if I did.
--
Bob C

JoMar 03-15-2016 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1198861)
There are apps that will send the picture to whomever you want automatically as soon as you take it, provided you have an opportunity to take a picture which is unlikely in most cases.

Make sure you ask them to stand where you can get your best light and not to move so the pictures aren't blurred.

rubicon 03-15-2016 01:27 PM

I am inclined to agree with those who believe it is a mistake to flash a cell phone at a time like that. I mean what are you going to do take a "selfie"with them?

I am inclined to disagree with those who seem to be a bit flippant about this situation. Its a violation and it could lead to serious consequences. I think it is a big deal.

A woman who worked for me attended an event at the Fairgrounds and when returning to her car was met by a guy with a gun that relieved her of her pocketbook and then looked at her and told her to get in the back seat. She flat told him to shoot her because she would not comply turned so she would not be shot in the face and soon realize the guy disappeared.

The following morning she asked that I get a guy out to change every lock on her house and then she proceeded to erase any evidence of her existence in that city. Her husband wandered the streets for weeks looking for this guy. Finally she and her husband relocated to another city. I was relieved he never found the guy because he would have killed him


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