Omar Marteen, the Orlando mass shooter......
 

.......is the very reason I carry a concealed weapon. Praying for the victims and families; may Omar Marteen burn in hell.

Fifty people lost their lives due to one person filled with hatred. There are no words for how terrible that is.

Any religion that kills people is not connected to the God I know.

I think his name is Muhammed Omar Mateen.

Omar Mir Seddique Mateen

You are not allowed to conceal carry (even with a permit)in any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

Also, patrons are searched before entering the bar, so you wouldn't get past the front door with it unless you went in at 2 am when most people are leaving. The shooter also knew that.

That name had 7000 followers on Facebook. Scary.

I think that name is the suspects father.

What We Know About Omar Mateen, Suspected Orlando Nightclub Shooter - ABC News

Some information about this %$^%* *&^%$ *%%###

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...and was a US citizen - born in New York City and living in Port St. Lucie, Florida.

Reported on television that his father said the man had become extremely angry a few weeks ago about seeing two men kissing in Miami.

His ex-wife said he was a very unstable person and would beat her for not having daily chores done. Yet, he was employed as an armed security guard and allowed to have gun licenses? Something not right about that, is there?

The Pulse is a nightclub frequented by the LGBT community.

Leosa
 

Interestingly, the prohibition against concealed carry in an alcohol dispensing establishment does not apply to current and qualified retired law enforcement officers who are carrying under the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act (LEOSA). There are several hundred qualified carriers in The Villages.

Unfortunately, the owner of the business has the authority to exclude them, and many do. File that under "Stupid."

bad guys and rules
 

bad guys rarely follow the rules and it is to their advantage. Hundreds of unarmed victims. something not right in how we defend or are not allowed to defend ourselves.

Word is he called 911 before his and pledged support to ISIS.

ISIS called for attacks in the US during Ramadan.

For quite a while (in California) I used to hang out with a retired LA County deputy sheriff. He ALWAYS carried, everywhere, as did his LEO friends. When I was getting to know him he explained that he had arrested many violent felons who went to prison and who had vowed to kill him so he was always alert to one of them turning up to hurt or kill him. Smart man!

Oh come on!

You would be in favor of allowing guns being in nightclubs where drinking takes place among young people?

How about allowing - or actively encouraging - that handguns or rifles of any type be brought into sporting venues such as college and professional football, basketball, or baseball games? After all, some stadiums hold 60,000 or 70,000 people and would make excellent terriost targets.

What could possibly go wrong with armed spectators amped up on beer and testoserone while their team loses - or wins?

I.e., George Zimmerman.

I never go into any establishment that does not allow conceal carry - never. As long as I am able, I will do everything in my power to not let a person continue in their pursuit to harm, maim or kill people if it happens around me.

Arm the security guards for more soft targets like the Pulse nightclub as well as some movie theaters.

The stadiums have fairly tight security and are very hard targets.

The same with my wife and I........

Here is what I think I remember from the reports today;

The shooter's name is Muhammed Omar Mateen. His father,Mir Seddique Mateen, who lives in Dunedin, Florida appears on a television show out of California that supports the Taliban. The shooter has a small son and an estranged wife. She says he beat her. The alleged shooter was investigated by the FBI twice in 2013, and once in 2014 and they did not have enough to charge him with anything. He was a security guard. He made a 911 call before the shooting giving credit to Isis and El bagdaddy (sp) and mentioning the Tsaronov (sp?) who did the Boston Bombings.

I wish they had deported him and his family. But you can't do things like that. All this pain and tragedy would have been averted.

I think it matters less if he had a gun or not. He might have blown himself up, who knows.

No comparison
 

Don't compare these two.

From what I can find at this point in time the father's name is Seddique Mateen.

smh...

It's not one person filled with hate. It is a religion that preaches violence and hate. I watched a video (on channel 9?) of a visiting imam talking in Orlando in a very matter of fact tone that it is compassionate to kill homosexuals, that the consequence of homosexuality is death, and there was nothing to be ashamed about that fact. He was scary calm when he said this.

Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.

These events, including the young man killed in Spanish Springs the other night are what pushed me into finally buying a gun and applying for me CCW permit.

This just makes me think that it can't get here fast enough.

By the way, this incident brought out the fact that ISIS put out a notice a short while ago stating that it was going to target Florida.
They published a list of names that they intended to kill and over 600 of them were in Florida. So if you think that you're in a nice safe bubble, you might want to think again.

Get armed, get trained, carry daily.

There were 350 people in that nightclub. I wonder if there would have been fewer deaths if half of them were armed? If an establishment doesn't allow concealed carry then it should be mandatory that they have several armed guards. In this case it's Florida law that doesn't allow concealed carry in places that get over 50% of their revenues from alcohol. So if the state doesn't allow me to defend myself, then they should have to supply armed guards to defend me.

And he was shouting Allahu Akbar as he fired. This was, plain and simple, another ISIS terrorist attack on US citizens.

[QUOTE=Sandtrap328;1240110]Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.[/Q


Unfortunately you will always blame the gun!
It is the sick, racist, deviant mind of a maniac who killed these people. The gun was a tool - yes! If it was a bomb what would you have banned?

Please - I have owned numerous guns for over 40 years. NEVER even aimed it at someone. I am proficient with it and basically just enjoy shooting. Would I hesitate to defend my family with it? HELL NO!

Stop blaming the gun and blame the morons who just want to kill for NO reason!

But that's what worries me. I can readily see the value in CCW for personal protection. But in situations like this, or the Denver movie theater, I see a different problem. One person with a permit sees the shooter start, pulls his weapon and fires. Someone else with a permit yells, OMG there are two of them and fires at the wrong guy. And someone else sees that and starts firing. That's why LEOs have those vests with POLICE or FBI boldly printed. Hard to know who is the enemy sometimes. There is some rationale to restricting where you can carry.

Richard.

You know we don't have guns. Guns are NOT the issue in this terrible tragedy. Radical Islamic terrorism is the issue. I don't know why anti-gun people keep changing the subject.

I am tired of politically correct discussions. Of course all Muslims aren't terrorists, but nonetheless, the powers that be who protect this country are watching mosques.

Sometimes we have to abandon being polite in the face of being safe.

You rationalize gun free zones with this common hypothetical. We've tried the gun free zone-big fail. How many reminders, massacres in gun free zones is it going to take before you accept that it isn't working? How about we try something else like personal protection zones?

I am all for armed citizens if they have passed rigorous controls for buying a gun. And many types of weapons should be banned from being manufactured for anyone but the military and police.

There is no feasible way while continuing to be a representative democracy of getting these weapons now off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.

The Pink Pistols have the right idea of training heavily for firearm use and carrying. Pink Pistols – Pick On Someone Your Own Caliber

More security as well as metal detectors are needed as well as bomb sniffing dogs.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Benjamin Franklin

Well, I'm relieved to know that it can't happen the way I described. Thanks for reassuring me. And I thought casualties from friendly fire were real.

You see, I'm not a gun control advocate. I'm a people control advocate. You know. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And, while you may be trained enough, and have sufficient restraint, I'm not sure about the next guy, or the next guy. I mean, this murderer was hired as an ARMED security guard. And the result is the worst mass shooting in our history. So, how much value should I place in the training and vetting of people who are allowed to carry weapons on their persons?

You picture a scenario where the bad guy comes in and starts trouble in a crowded venue and someone with CCW permit pulls and takes him out. End of problem. I can see it happening differently. I can see collateral damage. I can see missing the target under that stress. I don't think my scenario is far fetched.

I don't know what the ultimate answer is, but I'm not sure unrestricted carry is it.

Why he did it is irrelevant to the real issue. Gun people will try to derail the real discussion with other stuff. The biggest issue is the ease with which a person can buy a weapon in the U.S. whose only purpose is to kill as many people in a short period of time as possible. Our laws prevent people on the terror watch list from flying but they are allowed to purchase guns and many of them are. Are you kidding me? We have had 8 mass casualty shootings since last June, 7 with assault rifles. This guy was a known quantity He was actively investigated and he still got a license to own guns. It's called an assault rifle for a reason. It was designed for only one purpose and we all know that. At one time in our history it was banned and no other weapon joined it on the banned list so history says because we ban one weapon the gov't will start to ban others as the NRA often says. Finally, I am not opposed to a person owning guns, I am an owner but these weapons make it too easy to inflict maximum damage and unless we can come up with a plan to keep them out of the hands of these nuts they should be banned.

Waynet - therein lies the problem.

You will NEVER stop the bad guys, nut cases, etc. from acquiring any type of gun on the black market!

Bans only affect those that are law abiding and will not try to circumvent the law.

Unfortunate? Yes - but that is the way it is!

It is looking like this was an act of terrorism, Ramadan jihad or the like. Omar could have been surreptitiously provided with weaponry via one or more terrorist organizations although he was not in this case. Alternatively he could have blown himself up in the crowded club or set bombs there or elsewhere, such as what occurred in the Boston bombings.

BTW, how our government let him hold a firearms permit is beyond me.

The Facts
 

1. The AR-15 was developed as a hunting rifle by the Armalite Corporation. The military version, the M-16 was a later spinoff. So, you see it's original purpose was not to kill people.

2. The "No Fly List" is a flawed document. It is replete with errors. Members of Congress are on the list, and experiencing great difficulty in getting off. There are infants on the list. It is not a reliable document for determining who may own guns.

There is a more cogent reason for not using the No Fly List for prohibiting gun purchases. It denies a Constitutional Right without DUE PROCESS. Being placed on the list is an arbitrary bureaucratic decision.

3. You cite eight mass casualty shootings. This, in a nation with over 1.5 MILLION so-called "assault rifles." The problem in not the gun, it is the people who did the shootings. You mention that the shooter was investigated. Apparently he was not considered dangerous when he was interviewed. Even FBI agents can be deceived.

4. You are wrong if you think only the AR-15 was banned. The original federal ban included Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (AKs) (all models), Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil, Beretta AR-70 (SC-70), Colt AR-15, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN-LAR, FNC
SWD (MAC type) M-10, M-11, M11/9, M12, Steyr AUG,
INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22, and Revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.

Subsequent proposals extended the list to dozens of other firearms, but they failed.

5. Do you really think a ban will keep these guns unavailable? If you believe that then you must think that smugglers are unable to bring tons of drugs and millions of illegal aliens into our country. Alas...... not so.

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I am in full support of the second amendment... so how to we make sure nuts like this don't get guns without giving up our freedom to bear arms?

I have to say, for once, this topic is having some rational discussions from both sides pro and con.

That's nice to see. If it ever becomes possible to have national discussions, maybe some progress could be made.

Just for the record, I am a firm believer and supporter of our constitution.

Nice discussion. Thanks