Question for Clinton supporters
 

Do you still really trust Hillary. Do the you democrats still trust this administration. Remember obamacare was shoved down our throats. This will continue if Hillary gets in office or any democrat for that matter. I'll take my chances with an unknown before I would take chances with Clinton.

I think Donald Rumsfeld has the answer to your inquiry.....


"There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."

Can't get clearer than that.

Re: Obamacare
 

NO-I DO NOT TRUST OR EVEN LIKE OBAMA OR HILLARY.

But, RE: OBAMACARE
Unfortunately people NEED to be forced to be responsible.
If, for example a young heathy person is injured in a car crash, will they scream help me or will they scream-I decided I did not need or want to pay for healthcare. The bill of my care, since I have no savings, will likely not ever be paid SO TAKE ME TO THE DUMP ALIVE OR DEAD.

Have you wondered why if you get an aspirin worth about a nickle the hospital will bill you about $15 for it? You are paying for all the people who don't pay PLUS LEGAL EXPENSES FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL SUE THEM.

We pay roughly twice as much as other industrialized countries. Our life expectancy is about the same. So we pay twice as much for the same result. Obama told us that computer record keeping would pay for obamacare.
HUH-to deal with insurance companies of government plans EVERY DOCTOR HAS TO HAVE COMPUTER RECORDS.
Besides healthcare what else do we buy where the PRICE is not posted. Hell where you will get a dirty look if you even ask what it will cost. WHY does insurance pay roughly 2/3 of what you would be billed for the same service if you decided to SELF INSURE?

Everybody knows that if you tell the hospital that you wish to pay in cash, they will give you a better deal than if they bill the insurance. And most of your billing to your insurance is based on how much Medicare says that service is worth.

And I do not buy the idea that everyone should be mandated by law to pay for something that they do not need. With car insurance, it is different. You do not have to drive, and if you do then you are required to insure your vehicle. It is unconstitutional for the gov to mandate that you pay for insurance so they get by that by making you pay a penalty if you refuse. The wealthy do not wish to pay for insurance that they will not use. They want five star service and will pay for it. Insurance will not pay for such service, so the wealthy are being made to pay either for insurance or a penalty. And there are still millions of people that can't even afford insurance and can't get medicaid. So, Obamacare was rushed/pushed through without any input from the other side and now we have a disaster that hasn't even hit us the hardest yet. Wait until next year, when it really hits us.

Really? How many people can walk to work? How is the bus service in most small towns? I disagree, I think driving is necessary.

That's your opinion, not a fact. I know of many people that do not drive, do not have a license to drive, do not own a car and do not have insurance. They are not penalized for not having automobile insurance. How many thousands of people in the villages do not drive? They have golf carts but do not need a drivers license to operate one. There are always options; buses, taxis, friends, etc.

And what about the OTHER 200 MILLION people who DO have to drive to get just about ANYWHERE? To a job, to the store, to school...

I see, YOU and your friends don't need it, so nobody else does either? You're in a bubble within the bubble...

Well with your kind of logic, I as a single person with no children, should not have to pay school taxes. Of course that is foolish thinking. We live in a democracy and we pay for things that improve the common good. The voters elected President Obama on his mandate to provide healthcare for the country. Of course the Republicans fought it every step of the way and we ended up with a compromise.

Evaluation grades for the affordable healthcare act have been improving each year it has been in existence. There are many more people insured now then there were in 2008 There are many new benefits included now that people did not have before such as elimination of pre-existing conditions, payments for prevention and screening and coverage for patients participating in clinical trials. This is all very good. And overall health care cost increases have slowed. But Obama care is expensive Depending on subsidies and employers premiums and deductibles. It is no surprise, we know there is no free lunch. But the bottom line is there has been notable progress in healthcare for some people, Although not everyone. That's the way democracies work - the common good.

Why do "I" with no kids HAVE to pay for YOUR kids? The common good being if they're educated they'll be good citizens and not muggers? Otherwise, their education is THEIR good, not mine, yet I have to pay?

Otherwise, why not "pay as you play"? If you use something, you pay, if you don't, you don't. It would save MOST of us a bundle. It's the poor who benefit from all the "free" stuff taxes pay for. Don't like it, don't be poor. I'm not your daddy, I don't owe you some standard of living I think is too high.

Again, all these healthcare changes are for the poor. They don't benefit me. My costs went up. MOST peoples cost went up because more of the poor are now covered with our tax dollars. Why do I OWE someone else medical care? If you're THAT low on the totem pole, you probably won't be missed.

Your whole second paragraph is full of crap. Stop listening to what other people TELL YOU is the truth, and start finding the truth on your own.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner...it has NOTHING to do with the "common good". Stop listening to what other people tell you is the truth and find out for yourself what is true.

That is not true. The democrats had a super majority in the Senate and a majority in the House: they had the votes to pass anything they wanted. The Republicans had no say in obamacare and could not even filibuster it because of the democratic super majority in the Senate. Lobbying resulted in several cost control vehicles, such as tort reform, being excluded from obamacare. This is entirely on the democrats.

Any, by the way, we actually live in a Republic.

Why do you speak like a child? The point was that car insurance is not mandatory. We do not have to have auto insurance so that it can be cheaper for others. OBamaCare was a lie. They made you think that the only way to make insurance affordable was to make EVERYONE purchase it or pay a fine. So, how did that work out? Insurance went up at even a higher rate than ever before. Cost of service went up. Cost of deductible and co-payment went up. We had millions that lost their insurance and were forced to purchase a more expensive replacement. They lied and you liberals still believe them. Even with all the evidence to proves they lied. And you liberals wonder why we don't respect you and think you are stupid.

No...the original point was someone said "you don't need to drive" like taking away someones license wouldn't affect them. I said it would because MOST people don't have public transportation readily available, most people NEED to drive. The original post I replied to said taking away a drivers license was no big deal.

We got crossed up along the way...

Before Obamacare insurance if you had a preexisting condition insurance companies would not insure you or charge such a rate you could not afford it. I guess you would be okay with your loved one dying, you would probably say, if you can't afford it tough.

My insurance costs went down with the ACA and I have a "Cadillac" plan. My daughter's life was saved by changes made in insurance law.

By the way, car insurance is mandatory in FL.

Famous Quotes
 

"It depends on what the meaning of is...is" William Jefferson Blythe (Slick Willie) Clinton

Why should "I" have to pay more so your daughter who is an "increased risk" due to her preexisting condition can pay less? I get a higher bill because your daughter WILL cost more than you pay in.

Health "insurance" should be no different than car insurance, the greater a risk you are, the more you pay. If you have a preexisting condition, you pay more, like a guy who speeds and gets tickets pay more. If you're fat, you pay more because you "cost more" with increased health problems. If you smoke, you pay more. There are a lot of reasons why everyone SHOULDN'T pay the same.

Would you give an inner city mid 20s black male a life insurance policy at the same rate as you would a young father with a job, house, wife, and child living in the "young people part of the villages"? One has only a 50/50 chance of making it to 30. The other, a 99% chance.

We're killing ourselves with all this "equality". LOSERS demand equality because they CAN'T compete. We're giving in to the losers.

What is your position on abortion? be careful--this is a trap

I fear no trap, for I tell the truth.

Abortion destroyed the white race. WE got abortions, 100s of millions of white babies were never born because of abortion. Minorities didn't abort, because each of their children gives THEM a bonus, more money, while ours are costly financially and emotionally.

How do I feel about it? It's a woman's body, she can do what she wishes with it and what is in it. To me, "life", human life, doesn't start until you're outside the womb and self sufficient, meaning you're not on a machine. A healthy baby once born is now a "person". Before, they were "part of the mothers body".

BUT...the woman ALSO bears ALL responsibility if she decides to keep a child that the father does not want. SHE could have kept her legs closed, contraception is virtually 100% if you use it correctly. She wasn't raped, SHE needs to take responsibility for HER actions too.

If you're going to hold a man responsible, he must have a choice.

I agree with abortion, it's better than unwanted or unaffordable children. The trouble is, abortion is too one sided. Whites have them, minorities don't, not to the same extent anyway. Lack of abortions is one of the reasons why half the population received benefits. Too many people...too many of the wrong KIND of people. Poor and violent people. And they're on their way to being the new majority. May your God help us then!

So, it took a trillion dollar bill and everyone else paying more so that a pre-existing condition could be taken care of? Smart move!

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I sincerely doubt your first statement, and the second one kind of confirms my suspicions of the first. You are not required to have car insurance in Florida unless you wish to drive. So why would you say something to stupid? And, you do not have to pay a penalty if you do not wish to drive. So, you probably are speaking out your behind.

I have a question for Hillary supporters.

How can you be so blind and stupid?

Obviously another graduate of Trump University suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome

Have never met a Trump supporter who can explain why they support him

Get your facts straight - Obamacre was not shoved down our throats.

It was passed by the US Congress, signed by The President and upheld by the Supreme Court.

This "shoved down our throats" is what all losers say

Upheld by the Supreme Court TWICE. Thank you Chief Justice Roberts.

If it was a GOP bill that had NO liberal votes, the Dems would be telling us that it was shoved down our throats.

We have not even seen the beginning of the damage that Obamacare will do when it hits us hard next year.

Right now, it has caused a lot of folks to have to pay extremely high premiums and deductibles, just so a few could have free health care. Now, we also have less coverage on the important services just so others could get free birth control pills and sex changes.

And there are near the same amount that do not have insurance that did not have it prior to it being passed. Many lost their coverage and had to go to Obamacare and pay more for less. I know a neighbor that was bragging about how his "union" plan was exempt from obamacare, and then just recently got a letter telling him that retirees will no longer be covered due to Obamacare causing it to cost too much. It was totally covered by his retirement, but now he will be shelling out almost a thousand bucks per month for him and his wife.

Obamacare helped a few folks but it is a disaster that could have been avoided IF the Dem majority would have worked with the other side and come up with a better solution, rather than "you have to pass the bill before you can read it and see what's in it."

Obamacare helped a few folks but it is a disaster that could have been avoided IF the Dem majority would have worked with the other side and come up with a better solution, rather than "you have to pass the bill before you can read it and see what's in it." You mean like the way the republicans negotiate now that they are in charge.:a20:

You are making the same arguments repubs have made against s.s, medicare,medicad and any legislation that benefited the average American. You, as a repub, are a minority group in America, move to the back of the bus. Now how do you feel!

Actually, you make me feel pretty smart. You fail to acknowledge the fact that your list is gov managed and thus, a failure and failing. You give good examples of gov incompetence.

Let me know "how you feel" once SS is reduced because of failure of the gov to manage it competently. Let me know how your medicare is doing, when you pay all your life for it and then have to pay out of your SS to continue it, if you wish more than hospitalization. And "medicaid" is state run, so you can tell me how it is doing. I don't qualify for it.

But, anything the libtards can do to spend your money for you. Because they know better how to manage your money.

Guess you hang around with too many needy liberals, or ANY Trump supporter would tell you the same reason for their support. HILLARY! Almost 100% of Trump supporters are voting for Trump as a vote AGAINST Hillary. And right now, half the Dems and a large portion of Independents. But, Trump saying he is against illegal aliens, a strong stance on terrorism and a business experience with the economy and creating jobs, gives him an advantage over any of the left.

Come on...really? NOT many average working Americans wanted this. Politics got this passed.

Corrupt people appointed by other corrupt people, what could go wrong?

The AVERAGE American? These programs were ALL for the poorest Americans. SS was started around the depression because so many had nothing in their old age. Most of these programs benefit women and minorities.

That's "government" in general...

You're all idiots...voting for the "lesser of two evils" when you have REAL choices in front of you that aren't part of the corrupt Ds and Rs. VOTE for who YOU want to win. Stop being fooled by their lies that "only one of their guys is electable". YOU do the electing, so vote for who you want...not who THEY want.

Donald Trump also has the support of every white supremacist group in the country. Just look at his recent anti-Semitic twitter post which was copied from a supremacist web-site. They will be out in full force at the convention next week supporting Trump.

The same people that deny that Barack Obama was ever elected president, that he was born in the US, and dare we say - Donald Trump supporters?

You are the one with the problem of so-called white Supremists supporting him. I don't. Muslims supported Obama, and it did not disturb your ilk. Soros contributed and supports Hillary, and you have no problem with it. I don't care who votes for Trump. I have my own reason for voting for him and it's my vote AGAINST Hillary. Plain as white bread. I won't vote for a felon, pathological liar, and thief. I will not vote for a disloyal person that does not care about national security or safeguarding national secrets. I won't vote for Hillary because she is a scumbag piece of garbage. That's my reason for voting for Trump. His Trump Univ does not bother me in the slightest. If people were too stupid to do their research before investing in it, that's their problem. I don't worry about how many wives he has had or girlfriends. After all, liberals don't care either, so? If they cared, then they wouldn't be supporting Hillary, wife of Billy the rapist.

Trump gets my vote by default. He was the last man standing out of 17 that fought each other for the nomination. He won fair and square, against great odds. And I do respect him for that. I didn't vote for him in the primary, but he did win so he has my vote.

If Hillary dropped dead right now, I would not even give it a second thought, other than I wonder who is going to run in her place.

So, if the KKK is endorsing Trump, fine. NEXT!!!!

I could not have said that better, she is scheming and scamming her way out of this mess. If Dems don't see that she is soft on terrorism, we Americans and our families can be in danger. I pray that Trump gets into office so we can build a strong, financially independent, safe AMERICA. My husband is a veteran, and recently were harassed by a Dem because we had a sign up for Trump.

I want America safe, and Hillary has no clue how to make us safe

Good luck with that...we OWE over $20,000,000,000,000, more than $60,000 for EACH man, woman, and child. We'd have to pay that off. How? We already BORROW over $1,000,000,000,000 EVERY year. You won't like ANYTHING having to do with financial independence. Think of the spending cuts with the budget being cut by more than half.

You're willing to do ANYTHING for safety. That's a woman talking. It can't be done and it's stupid to try. Stay home if you want absolute safety. Limit the number of minorities if you want absolute safety. Diverse areas are orders of magnitude more unsafe than say the villages.

Yes, of course. Throw your vote away on a third party because a loonie toon says so. If you are suggesting a vote for Gary Johnson, you are wasting your vote on another liberal, whack job. All he does is leach votes from the other candidates, because on a few uninformed would vote for him.

"People Get The Government They Deserve"
 

Obamacare the law that no one read because you had to pass it to know what was in it. A law that has a number of insurance companies going broke. a law that punishes those who refuse to participate. a law that was passed in the middle of the night by one party. a law whereby the standard bearer of the party that past it said you can keep your insurance company and you can keep your doctor. a law that has cut medicare so that it can feed ACA subscribers. a law that pays bare bones fees to doctors , many of whom are retiring or leaving their practice. et cetra et cetra et cetra

Auto insurance can be mandatory in a state and the state makes the choice and the choice is based on whether they desire to police who or who is not insured.

Obama has ruled by edict. People unaware of the importance of the US Constitution intent seem not to care or notice. That the reason America is so great because it is the only nation in man's history that was based on the fact tat it was ruled by the people and not the government. So thank to the likes of the Obama's over the years that systematically have taken away your freedoms and your right to govern we are drifting to a third world power

In my mind the fact that an individual like Hillary Clinton can get this far in a presidential election is unconscionable. To think that she will pass muster by the FBI and get elected unthinkable. but if she does then I'll have witnessed a clear sign of the final days of this great society. "People get the government they deserve"

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And if they do not have insurance on their cart, they are fools.

Same old BS from the repubs.