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Guest 08-08-2016 12:19 PM

Did anyone watch the TRump's Detroit Speech
 
It just ended.

He used teleprompters and hardly went off script.
When heckled, many times, he didn't make faces or lose composure. He just waited it out. Except for a comment about Sander's protestors.
I don't recall him using the term crooked Hillery or placing an empathizes on her being a liar. He dropped the name calling quite a bit.
He talked about her record in New York. And the difference in their economic policy.

It looked like a very different Trump, at least to me.

Guest 08-08-2016 12:20 PM

Now enter CNM ---- drum roll in his head please ................

Guest 08-08-2016 12:22 PM

It's on youtube already.

Guest 08-08-2016 12:40 PM

I like him better when he calls her crooked Hillary. He's only telling it like it is. He must be tired. Hope he didn't short circuit. Oh, that's right Hillary is the one that has the brain short circuit.

Guest 08-08-2016 01:20 PM

More tax cuts for him and the kids. More trickle down economics.

Guest 08-08-2016 02:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268520)
Now enter CNM ---- drum roll in his head please ................

CNM is in your head. This must be playing out to you like The Tell-Tale Heart. [emoji6]

Guest 08-08-2016 02:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268557)
More tax cuts for him and the kids. More trickle down economics.

Sounds like it with an even bigger military which we do NOT need. We do need repairs to bridges, railroads, roads, etc.

Guest 08-08-2016 03:00 PM

I don't care if your for or against him

It was a good speech.

Guest 08-08-2016 03:08 PM

He is worth a chance. We know what we are getting with her, a corrupt politician !

Guest 08-08-2016 03:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268611)
I don't care if your for or against him

It was a good speech.

I also don't care if you are for or against him.
My hunch is you were the only other person so far to watch it.

He was so different, I wonder who did the coaching. It was out of character. People say that he is always himself. That's the real Donald but that's not what you saw today, was it?

Guest 08-08-2016 03:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268615)
He is worth a chance. We know what we are getting with her, a corrupt politician !

:BigApplause:

Guest 08-08-2016 04:21 PM

They upped his meds so he would appear to act like a normal person.

Guest 08-08-2016 04:25 PM

BS

that is how he speaks when he gets down to biz.

Do you think he spoke any other way in his biz dealing to get rich?

Guest 08-08-2016 04:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268650)
They upped his meds so he would appear to act like a normal person.

You exposed yourself as a typical Hillary sucker!

Guest 08-08-2016 05:52 PM

So even when he sounds presidential people complain.

Guest 08-08-2016 06:19 PM

Forget his new found manner, talk about the policies he spoke about. They have failed numerous times in the past. Why will it work now? What did the last tax cut, and the unfunded wars do? It doubled the national debt. His proposals for tax cuts are going to the upper classes. He is talking about deregulating Wall Street. They worked great for us, didn't it? Trickle down economics will just go away in the minds of rich Republicans. They are all for themselves.

Guest 08-08-2016 06:26 PM

you're right the last 8 years were great

Guest 08-08-2016 06:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268611)
I don't care if your for or against him

It was a good speech.

You didn't learn from history, trickle down does not work. trump giving a speech reading is like watching the grass grow.

Guest 08-08-2016 06:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268715)
Forget his new found manner, talk about the policies he spoke about. They have failed numerous times in the past. Why will it work now? What did the last tax cut, and the unfunded wars do? It doubled the national debt. His proposals for tax cuts are going to the upper classes. He is talking about deregulating Wall Street. They worked great for us, didn't it? Trickle down economics will just go away in the minds of rich Republicans. They are all for themselves.

It won't effect you unless you are one of the entitled. What difference does it make if someone else gets to keep more of the money they earned? Do you wish to pay more taxes? No one does, so why do you think the wealthy should pay more than anyone else? People like you are a spoiled jerks. Everyone/EVERYONE should pay the same percentage, if we are going to pay ANY income tax at all. Personally, I do not think someone should be taxed on their work. Tax them on goods and services, like the "Fair Tax" commonly known as a Federal Sales tax.

Guest 08-08-2016 07:17 PM

The content of the speech was the same old hash. It was a canned speech and he just read off a teleprompter. Trump did not mean any of it.

Hillary is ahead nationally by 12 percent! Hillary is winning in all the swing states! Hillary has taken Red states back into Blue! Trump LOSES big time!

Guest 08-08-2016 07:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268753)
The content of the speech was the same old hash. It was a canned speech and he just read off a teleprompter. Trump did not mean any of it.

Hillary is ahead nationally by 12 percent! Hillary is winning in all the swing states! Hillary has taken Red states back into Blue! Trump LOSES big time!

Hmmm, makes one wonder why Hillary's little rallies are so small, a hundred or so I believe. And Trump's always has thousands that show up. Of course, Trump may say some outrageous things, but he doesn't do things that gets people killed and then lies about it. He doesn't steal from the government and made to pay back thousands with only a pat on the hand. And Trump doesn't have to worry about Stein or Johnson stealing voters and votes from him. And Trump has increased Republican turnout by over 50% to Hillary losing 20% of Democrat voters. Not to mention how many Bernit voters she can't count on.

So, learn the mantra "Make America Great Again" and say it over and over again, because you are going to be hearing it for a while. At least 4 years.

Guest 08-08-2016 08:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268784)
Hmmm, makes one wonder why Hillary's little rallies are so small, a hundred or so I believe. And Trump's always has thousands that show up. Of course, Trump may say some outrageous things, but he doesn't do things that gets people killed and then lies about it. He doesn't steal from the government and made to pay back thousands with only a pat on the hand. And Trump doesn't have to worry about Stein or Johnson stealing voters and votes from him. And Trump has increased Republican turnout by over 50% to Hillary losing 20% of Democrat voters. Not to mention how many Bernit voters she can't count on.

So, learn the mantra "Make America Great Again" and say it over and over again, because you are going to be hearing it for a while. At least 4 years.

Isn't it now "America First?"

When was the last time the slogan was "America First?"

Wasn't it 1940 and 41?"

Tell me about those years. You seem to be a student of history and well versed in politics.

Guest 08-08-2016 08:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268790)
Isn't it now "America First?"

When was the last time the slogan was "America First?"

Wasn't it 1940 and 41?"

Tell me about those years. You seem to be a student of history and well versed in politics.

Google is your friend. It's real simple. Made especially for people like you. I'm not your daddy. Do it yourself.

Guest 08-08-2016 09:33 PM

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Sounds like it with an even bigger military which we do NOT need. We do need repairs to bridges, railroads, roads, etc.


There would be plenty of money for roads/bridges if taxes specifically taxed for that wasn't wasted, mismanaged, or stolen by collectors or fed gov.

WW right around the corner with the failed Arab Spring by this zero In charge. USA will need stronger military when the terrorist rain they're terror on us do to open boarder policy of this administration. He will be out of office just like Clinton when we will be attacked again. Just like Clinton he will be directly the cause of it because of years of doing nothing but, pass it on just like the deficit. Same with health care, it will really get expense after he's out of office and the care only going to get worse .

Guest 08-08-2016 10:09 PM

Carter is very grateful that Obama came along .

Guest 08-09-2016 04:17 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268615)
He is worth a chance. We know what we are getting with her, a corrupt politician !

The parties are corrupt, that's what needs to go. No Ds or Rs...

Guest 08-09-2016 06:25 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268784)
Hmmm, makes one wonder why Hillary's little rallies are so small, a hundred or so I believe. And Trump's always has thousands that show up. Of course, Trump may say some outrageous things, but he doesn't do things that gets people killed and then lies about it. He doesn't steal from the government and made to pay back thousands with only a pat on the hand. And Trump doesn't have to worry about Stein or Johnson stealing voters and votes from him. And Trump has increased Republican turnout by over 50% to Hillary losing 20% of Democrat voters. Not to mention how many Bernit voters she can't count on.

So, learn the mantra "Make America Great Again" and say it over and over again, because you are going to be hearing it for a while. At least 4 years.

Dream on little man.

Guest 08-09-2016 06:32 AM

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So even when he sounds presidential people complain.

Thats presidential, he sounded like the buffoon that he is. He read exactly the words his handlers wrote for him. Your now getting the trump his handlers want, not the trump you misguided people went gaga over.

Guest 08-09-2016 06:46 AM

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It won't effect you unless you are one of the entitled. What difference does it make if someone else gets to keep more of the money they earned? Do you wish to pay more taxes? No one does, so why do you think the wealthy should pay more than anyone else? People like you are a spoiled jerks. Everyone/EVERYONE should pay the same percentage, if we are going to pay ANY income tax at all. Personally, I do not think someone should be taxed on their work. Tax them on goods and services, like the "Fair Tax" commonly known as a Federal Sales tax.

You literally have to the stupidest person on this board. Only a moron would think a flat tax is the way to go. You are that moron.

You want the same rate for everybody. Fine everybody starts the same, 100% inheritance tax, and free college tuition for everyone for starters. Take away the head starts for people of wealth. Do you think for a second they would want to start out, where 99% of the people in this country do, with the sole benefit as paying the same tax rate as everyone? If you do, seek help.

No person with a brain in their would push for a flat tax. The presidential candidates that did were shown the door in one big hurry. The reason being it would bring this country.

Are going to sit there in a world of your own, and say everyone starts out the same financially? Funny my father didn't die and leave me 300 million dollars.

Guest 08-09-2016 08:09 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268890)
You literally have to the stupidest person on this board. Only a moron would think a flat tax is the way to go. You are that moron.

You want the same rate for everybody. Fine everybody starts the same, 100% inheritance tax, and free college tuition for everyone for starters. Take away the head starts for people of wealth. Do you think for a second they would want to start out, where 99% of the people in this country do, with the sole benefit as paying the same tax rate as everyone? If you do, seek help.

No person with a brain in their would push for a flat tax. The presidential candidates that did were shown the door in one big hurry. The reason being it would bring this country.

Are going to sit there in a world of your own, and say everyone starts out the same financially? Funny my father didn't die and leave me 300 million dollars.

You have been spoon fed a bunch of sugar coated manure. You don't even know what you are talking about. You are just another entitled liberal that believes that anyone that is better than you has to be evil. If you are not motivated enough to earn some honest money, then that's your problem. What are you, a union member? A gov worker? It doesn't matter. If I want to leave my home for my kids, I paid for it. It's not yours. It's not the gov's. You are a pathetic crybaby that thinks that the rich should pay your way.
I don't even like the flat tax, but think it is more fair than a progressive tax. To me a progressive tax is discriminatory. Penalizing a group of people is discrimination. Penalizing the earners is discrimination. and making one group pay a higher rate of taxes than another group fits that category. I believe that the fairest tax system is doing away with income tax and adding a federal sales tax. That is fair. Some states already do that on a smaller scale and make it work.
Everyone should pay something so they all have some investment in our country.

I do NOT like death tax. Why should someone have to give up the family farm because they do not have liquid assets to pay what the gov feels they should pay for their family farm? Why should I not be able to give my kids, my home when I am gone? Why should the gov get it? What did the gov do to earn my home? Perhaps we should just call it what it is, communism. The gov would technically own your home and your business and take it back if you die. Why should I take care of it, if I know my kids won't get it?

Why am I discussing this with you anyway? You are one of the needy ones, or a libtard bleeding heart.

Trump wants successful people to advise him on the economy
Hillary, like Obama wants to hire professors to advise her. Professors/teachers usually can't do the job so they teach it. They are not successful so they teach. That's why we have had 8 years of less than 3% GDP growth, a stagnant economy. This is the ONLY administration that has not had a 3% GDP growth in history. And Hillary wants to continue with this stagnant economy; with Obama's failed policies.

Guest 08-09-2016 08:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268890)
You literally have to the stupidest person on this board. Only a moron would think a flat tax is the way to go. You are that moron.

You want the same rate for everybody. Fine everybody starts the same, 100% inheritance tax, and free college tuition for everyone for starters. Take away the head starts for people of wealth. Do you think for a second they would want to start out, where 99% of the people in this country do, with the sole benefit as paying the same tax rate as everyone? If you do, seek help.

No person with a brain in their would push for a flat tax. The presidential candidates that did were shown the door in one big hurry. The reason being it would bring this country.

Are going to sit there in a world of your own, and say everyone starts out the same financially? Funny my father didn't die and leave me 300 million dollars.

You are obviously a candidate for anger management therapy. Do you get punched a lot, or are you only brave on your computer? Not my business. What a pathetic loser!

Guest 08-09-2016 08:16 AM

How many people here watched the speech?

Guest 08-09-2016 09:40 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268945)
You have been spoon fed a bunch of sugar coated manure. You don't even know what you are talking about. You are just another entitled liberal that believes that anyone that is better than you has to be evil. If you are not motivated enough to earn some honest money, then that's your problem. What are you, a union member? A gov worker? It doesn't matter. If I want to leave my home for my kids, I paid for it. It's not yours. It's not the gov's. You are a pathetic crybaby that thinks that the rich should pay your way.
I don't even like the flat tax, but think it is more fair than a progressive tax. To me a progressive tax is discriminatory. Penalizing a group of people is discrimination. Penalizing the earners is discrimination. and making one group pay a higher rate of taxes than another group fits that category. I believe that the fairest tax system is doing away with income tax and adding a federal sales tax. That is fair. Some states already do that on a smaller scale and make it work.
Everyone should pay something so they all have some investment in our country.

I do NOT like death tax. Why should someone have to give up the family farm because they do not have liquid assets to pay what the gov feels they should pay for their family farm? Why should I not be able to give my kids, my home when I am gone? Why should the gov get it? What did the gov do to earn my home? Perhaps we should just call it what it is, communism. The gov would technically own your home and your business and take it back if you die. Why should I take care of it, if I know my kids won't get it?

Why am I discussing this with you anyway? You are one of the needy ones, or a libtard bleeding heart.

Trump wants successful people to advise him on the economy
Hillary, like Obama wants to hire professors to advise her. Professors/teachers usually can't do the job so they teach it. They are not successful so they teach. That's why we have had 8 years of less than 3% GDP growth, a stagnant economy. This is the ONLY administration that has not had a 3% GDP growth in history. And Hillary wants to continue with this stagnant economy; with Obama's failed policies.

Apparently, you aren't the person that wrote the initial post. I think that you are the person that always uses the word libtard. When someone responses to you with facts, you always disappear. However, you are follow the same stupid path that he did. You are just another far right wing Republican that always has to tag everyone that doesn't agree with you as a liberal with their hands always out. In other words, you don't know anything about me.

I worked in management all my life. The only thing that I have received from the government is social security, and Medicare. My last year of college, I was supporting my wife, and a baby. I had 20 hours days between work, and college. We qualified for the WIC program. You try existing on 4 hours of sleep a night with a new baby in the house.

There is nothing wrong with the current tax rate system. The reason that I brought up the estate tax was that he said all things should be equal. I don't believe for one second that you shouldn't be able to pass your estate to your children. even with the graduated rates, the tax system as is benefits the rich, and powerful. The money that they are paying is coming from their disposal income, which they have a hard time spending now. You are talking about increasing taxes on at least 47% of the people in the U. S, most of which couldn't afford a tax increase.

I think Trump threw a number 45% of a two person working family sending their children to daycare. These people have very little, if any, disposal income. You are talking money out of their fixed expenses, and putting it in peoples' pockets that don't need it.

45% daycare, say 18% federal and 5% state income tax, and 8% SS, and Medicare, that is 76% in taxes. The only number that could drop is daycare. You think that this is a way to live, and work. It is great, if you don't intend eat. Maybe you can go out bare ass, so you can save on clothing. Maybe as an act of common decency, the government can provide people clothing. Of course, the clothing would all have to be the same, so we will know who the deadbeat freeloaders are.

Let's talk about a flat tax. The contention is everybody should pay the tax rate as if all things are equal. They are not. So, my post was to level the field. There has a graduated income forever. You don't change that overnight, and now say all things are equal. How do you make up for the past injustices by punishing the people that can least afford it?

The flat tax would have to be gross income with no deductions. Everyone, and everything has to be equal. That eliminates all the itemized deductions, and the child tax credit.

The housing market, and the stock market would collapse. It would be a lot worse than 2008. Banks and mortgage companies would look at the losses in 2008 as the good old days. The rich would lose more in the stock market than they would gain by having a lower tax rate. What do you say to people that need the mortgage interest, and property tax deduction, and all other itemized deductions to pay for the mortgage? Sorry! We have to give the rich more money. Sure, that would fly.

As far as the estate tax, the death tax is a term Republican's use demonize it. It affects 2 out of 1,000 people in the U.S. These people have excellent accountants, and attorneys. They are getting around a portion of the tax. If it is within the law, there is no problem. Don't go out there and give the impression that elimination of the estate tax will benefit everyone.

By the way, I gave my daughter, and my three grandchildren $125,000. as a down payment on a house. You don't have to wait until you die to help your children. They appreciate it more, when the gift is given when you are living. I guess when you said I was one of the needy ones, you hit the nail right on the head.

A flat tax will never happen. It is a beyond stupid idea. Simple solutions to complex problems never work.

Guest 08-09-2016 10:20 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268994)
Apparently, you aren't the person that wrote the initial post. I think that you are the person that always uses the word libtard. When someone responses to you with facts, you always disappear. However, you are follow the same stupid path that he did. You are just another far right wing Republican that always has to tag everyone that doesn't agree with you as a liberal with their hands always out. In other words, you don't know anything about me.

I worked in management all my life. The only thing that I have received from the government is social security, and Medicare. My last year of college, I was supporting my wife, and a baby. I had 20 hours days between work, and college. We qualified for the WIC program. You try existing on 4 hours of sleep a night with a new baby in the house.

There is nothing wrong with the current tax rate system. The reason that I brought up the estate tax was that he said all things should be equal. I don't believe for one second that you shouldn't be able to pass your estate to your children. even with the graduated rates, the tax system as is benefits the rich, and powerful. The money that they are paying is coming from their disposal income, which they have a hard time spending now. You are talking about increasing taxes on at least 47% of the people in the U. S, most of which couldn't afford a tax increase.

I think Trump threw a number 45% of a two person working family sending their children to daycare. These people have very little, if any, disposal income. You are talking money out of their fixed expenses, and putting it in peoples' pockets that don't need it.

45% daycare, say 18% federal and 5% state income tax, and 8% SS, and Medicare, that is 76% in taxes. The only number that could drop is daycare. You think that this is a way to live, and work. It is great, if you don't intend eat. Maybe you can go out bare ass, so you can save on clothing. Maybe as an act of common decency, the government can provide people clothing. Of course, the clothing would all have to be the same, so we will know who the deadbeat freeloaders are.

Let's talk about a flat tax. The contention is everybody should pay the tax rate as if all things are equal. They are not. So, my post was to level the field. There has a graduated income forever. You don't change that overnight, and now say all things are equal. How do you make up for the past injustices by punishing the people that can least afford it?

The flat tax would have to be gross income with no deductions. Everyone, and everything has to be equal. That eliminates all the itemized deductions, and the child tax credit.

The housing market, and the stock market would collapse. It would be a lot worse than 2008. Banks and mortgage companies would look at the losses in 2008 as the good old days. The rich would lose more in the stock market than they would gain by having a lower tax rate. What do you say to people that need the mortgage interest, and property tax deduction, and all other itemized deductions to pay for the mortgage? Sorry! We have to give the rich more money. Sure, that would fly.

As far as the estate tax, the death tax is a term Republican's use demonize it. It affects 2 out of 1,000 people in the U.S. These people have excellent accountants, and attorneys. They are getting around a portion of the tax. If it is within the law, there is no problem. Don't go out there and give the impression that elimination of the estate tax will benefit everyone.

By the way, I gave my daughter, and my three grandchildren $125,000. as a down payment on a house. You don't have to wait until you die to help your children. They appreciate it more, when the gift is given when you are living. I guess when you said I was one of the needy ones, you hit the nail right on the head.

A flat tax will never happen. It is a beyond stupid idea. Simple solutions to complex problems never work.

I wrote the original post and I have never called anyone a libtard but have been accused 100's of times. Recently I also asked how many people watched the speech? I even gave a link so you could watch it without doing anything but click. The speech was important for both sides to see and nobody here will take the time to look at it.

Hardly anyone reads.

Guest 08-09-2016 10:39 AM

People read and hear what they want to.
the other day Hillary said in error she was raising taxes everyone cheered, they heard "lower"

I'm sure millions watched it.

I'm sure many in TV watched, it was a major policy speech.

yes I watched it and saw it as CHANGE.

Guest 08-09-2016 11:17 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1269034)
I wrote the original post and I have never called anyone a libtard but have been accused 100's of times. Recently I also asked how many people watched the speech? I even gave a link so you could watch it without doing anything but click. The speech was important for both sides to see and nobody here will take the time to look at it.

Hardly anyone reads.

The person that I was responding to called me "a needy one, or a libtard bleeding heart. Take a look at the first sentence of my post. I said that I doubted that I was responding to the person that started this thread, which would be you.

I did watch the speech, and my first post was more about details of the speech rather than his appearance, which all the respondents were to that point. Then, I got attacked by the flat taxers.

AP fact check: How does Donald Trump's economic plan hold up? | PBS NewsHour

Trump might have changed his tone, but he still lives in his own fact free zone.

Independent government agencies have put numbers on his economic proposals, as well as Hillary's. They have projected that his plan will add between 7-10 trillion to the national debt over ten years. Hillary would add less than 1 trillion over ten years.

Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton all cut taxes, but they were all revenue neutral. The cut expense to offset the loss of revenue. That was Republican 101. You don't add to the debt. Trump, and Hillary didn't cut any of the existing programs. Trump is relying totally on a doubling of the GDP. That is an incredible roll of the dice.

This is for Mr. Libtard also, who mentioned the recent recovery under Obama. Things have changed with the world economy. This last recovery took time, because of changes in the world economy. Blaming Obama for the changes are just Republican talking points to the undereducated that care less about details. Production jobs in great number have left the U.S. Making the assumption that cutting taxes will put more money in people's pockets; therefore, everything will be peachy keen again.

The tax rate cuts that he is proposing are going to the wealthy. Middle class aren't going to see much more in their pockets. The tax rate cuts will benefit the upper classes you would expect coming from the advisors that he used.

He intends to cut the corporate tax for 35% to 15%. There is a real big problem there. Professional organizations (ie. attorneys, accountants, Wall Street ) have been using the LLC laws to reduce their tax burden. Instead of paying the 39.% rate as an individual, they are paying the corporate rate 35%, and get to deduct expense they wouldn't have been able to do as a private citizen. As corporations these people that add little production to the economy will have their tax rate lowered by 20% with no benefit to the economy.

Trump didn't or include in his proposal how he was going to pay for the inter structure changes he wants to make. It has been estimated that it would cost three trillion over ten years to correct. They estimated that only 1/3 of the changes made sense due to the cost.

Again given the state of the world economy, relying of an doubling of the GDP just isn't smart.

He will probably upset many countries with his renegotiations of the existing trade agreements. The trade deal were Republican inspired that backfired for the common working man, but major corporation did just fine.

I done!

Guest 08-09-2016 11:23 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268951)
You are obviously a candidate for anger management therapy. Do you get punched a lot, or are you only brave on your computer? Not my business. What a pathetic loser!

You are another one that thinks that name calling bothers people. I only respond to name calling with name calling on my own, when the name caller deserved it.

The best response is the one that we were taught as a child. I am rubber. You are glue. Everything that you say about me bounces off me, and sticks to you.

Guest 08-09-2016 11:39 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268994)
Apparently, you aren't the person that wrote the initial post. I think that you are the person that always uses the word libtard. When someone responses to you with facts, you always disappear. However, you are follow the same stupid path that he did. You are just another far right wing Republican that always has to tag everyone that doesn't agree with you as a liberal with their hands always out. In other words, you don't know anything about me.

I worked in management all my life. The only thing that I have received from the government is social security, and Medicare. My last year of college, I was supporting my wife, and a baby. I had 20 hours days between work, and college. We qualified for the WIC program. You try existing on 4 hours of sleep a night with a new baby in the house.

There is nothing wrong with the current tax rate system. The reason that I brought up the estate tax was that he said all things should be equal. I don't believe for one second that you shouldn't be able to pass your estate to your children. even with the graduated rates, the tax system as is benefits the rich, and powerful. The money that they are paying is coming from their disposal income, which they have a hard time spending now. You are talking about increasing taxes on at least 47% of the people in the U. S, most of which couldn't afford a tax increase.

I think Trump threw a number 45% of a two person working family sending their children to daycare. These people have very little, if any, disposal income. You are talking money out of their fixed expenses, and putting it in peoples' pockets that don't need it.

45% daycare, say 18% federal and 5% state income tax, and 8% SS, and Medicare, that is 76% in taxes. The only number that could drop is daycare. You think that this is a way to live, and work. It is great, if you don't intend eat. Maybe you can go out bare ass, so you can save on clothing. Maybe as an act of common decency, the government can provide people clothing. Of course, the clothing would all have to be the same, so we will know who the deadbeat freeloaders are.

Let's talk about a flat tax. The contention is everybody should pay the tax rate as if all things are equal. They are not. So, my post was to level the field. There has a graduated income forever. You don't change that overnight, and now say all things are equal. How do you make up for the past injustices by punishing the people that can least afford it?

The flat tax would have to be gross income with no deductions. Everyone, and everything has to be equal. That eliminates all the itemized deductions, and the child tax credit.

The housing market, and the stock market would collapse. It would be a lot worse than 2008. Banks and mortgage companies would look at the losses in 2008 as the good old days. The rich would lose more in the stock market than they would gain by having a lower tax rate. What do you say to people that need the mortgage interest, and property tax deduction, and all other itemized deductions to pay for the mortgage? Sorry! We have to give the rich more money. Sure, that would fly.

As far as the estate tax, the death tax is a term Republican's use demonize it. It affects 2 out of 1,000 people in the U.S. These people have excellent accountants, and attorneys. They are getting around a portion of the tax. If it is within the law, there is no problem. Don't go out there and give the impression that elimination of the estate tax will benefit everyone.

By the way, I gave my daughter, and my three grandchildren $125,000. as a down payment on a house. You don't have to wait until you die to help your children. They appreciate it more, when the gift is given when you are living. I guess when you said I was one of the needy ones, you hit the nail right on the head.

A flat tax will never happen. It is a beyond stupid idea. Simple solutions to complex problems never work.

How did you deal with the " Gift Tax " which the IRS is looking for if you give anyone more than about $11,000 in any single year ?

Guest 08-09-2016 01:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1268994)
Apparently, you aren't the person that wrote the initial post. I think that you are the person that always uses the word libtard. When someone responses to you with facts, you always disappear. However, you are follow the same stupid path that he did. You are just another far right wing Republican that always has to tag everyone that doesn't agree with you as a liberal with their hands always out. In other words, you don't know anything about me.

I worked in management all my life. The only thing that I have received from the government is social security, and Medicare. My last year of college, I was supporting my wife, and a baby. I had 20 hours days between work, and college. We qualified for the WIC program. You try existing on 4 hours of sleep a night with a new baby in the house.

There is nothing wrong with the current tax rate system. The reason that I brought up the estate tax was that he said all things should be equal. I don't believe for one second that you shouldn't be able to pass your estate to your children. even with the graduated rates, the tax system as is benefits the rich, and powerful. The money that they are paying is coming from their disposal income, which they have a hard time spending now. You are talking about increasing taxes on at least 47% of the people in the U. S, most of which couldn't afford a tax increase.

I think Trump threw a number 45% of a two person working family sending their children to daycare. These people have very little, if any, disposal income. You are talking money out of their fixed expenses, and putting it in peoples' pockets that don't need it.

45% daycare, say 18% federal and 5% state income tax, and 8% SS, and Medicare, that is 76% in taxes. The only number that could drop is daycare. You think that this is a way to live, and work. It is great, if you don't intend eat. Maybe you can go out bare ass, so you can save on clothing. Maybe as an act of common decency, the government can provide people clothing. Of course, the clothing would all have to be the same, so we will know who the deadbeat freeloaders are.

Let's talk about a flat tax. The contention is everybody should pay the tax rate as if all things are equal. They are not. So, my post was to level the field. There has a graduated income forever. You don't change that overnight, and now say all things are equal. How do you make up for the past injustices by punishing the people that can least afford it?

The flat tax would have to be gross income with no deductions. Everyone, and everything has to be equal. That eliminates all the itemized deductions, and the child tax credit.

The housing market, and the stock market would collapse. It would be a lot worse than 2008. Banks and mortgage companies would look at the losses in 2008 as the good old days. The rich would lose more in the stock market than they would gain by having a lower tax rate. What do you say to people that need the mortgage interest, and property tax deduction, and all other itemized deductions to pay for the mortgage? Sorry! We have to give the rich more money. Sure, that would fly.

As far as the estate tax, the death tax is a term Republican's use demonize it. It affects 2 out of 1,000 people in the U.S. These people have excellent accountants, and attorneys. They are getting around a portion of the tax. If it is within the law, there is no problem. Don't go out there and give the impression that elimination of the estate tax will benefit everyone.

By the way, I gave my daughter, and my three grandchildren $125,000. as a down payment on a house. You don't have to wait until you die to help your children. They appreciate it more, when the gift is given when you are living. I guess when you said I was one of the needy ones, you hit the nail right on the head.

A flat tax will never happen. It is a beyond stupid idea. Simple solutions to complex problems never work.

Excellent post! :BigApplause:

It does however, create a problem.

Per some people, I am the only left-leaning person here.

I guess you just disabused them of that hope. :D

While taking credit for your well written and time consuming post refuting some right-wingnuts simplistic screeching, would be an honor...no way my integrity and ethics would allow that.

Once again...outstanding job! :thumbup:

:wave:

CNM

Guest 08-09-2016 01:35 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1268994)
Apparently, you aren't the person that wrote the initial post. I think that you are the person that always uses the word libtard. When someone responses to you with facts, you always disappear. However, you are follow the same stupid path that he did. You are just another far right wing Republican that always has to tag everyone that doesn't agree with you as a liberal with their hands always out. In other words, you don't know anything about me.

I worked in management all my life. The only thing that I have received from the government is social security, and Medicare. My last year of college, I was supporting my wife, and a baby. I had 20 hours days between work, and college. We qualified for the WIC program. You try existing on 4 hours of sleep a night with a new baby in the house.

There is nothing wrong with the current tax rate system. The reason that I brought up the estate tax was that he said all things should be equal. I don't believe for one second that you shouldn't be able to pass your estate to your children. even with the graduated rates, the tax system as is benefits the rich, and powerful. The money that they are paying is coming from their disposal income, which they have a hard time spending now. You are talking about increasing taxes on at least 47% of the people in the U. S, most of which couldn't afford a tax increase.

I think Trump threw a number 45% of a two person working family sending their children to daycare. These people have very little, if any, disposal income. You are talking money out of their fixed expenses, and putting it in peoples' pockets that don't need it.

45% daycare, say 18% federal and 5% state income tax, and 8% SS, and Medicare, that is 76% in taxes. The only number that could drop is daycare. You think that this is a way to live, and work. It is great, if you don't intend eat. Maybe you can go out bare ass, so you can save on clothing. Maybe as an act of common decency, the government can provide people clothing. Of course, the clothing would all have to be the same, so we will know who the deadbeat freeloaders are.

Let's talk about a flat tax. The contention is everybody should pay the tax rate as if all things are equal. They are not. So, my post was to level the field. There has a graduated income forever. You don't change that overnight, and now say all things are equal. How do you make up for the past injustices by punishing the people that can least afford it?

The flat tax would have to be gross income with no deductions. Everyone, and everything has to be equal. That eliminates all the itemized deductions, and the child tax credit.

The housing market, and the stock market would collapse. It would be a lot worse than 2008. Banks and mortgage companies would look at the losses in 2008 as the good old days. The rich would lose more in the stock market than they would gain by having a lower tax rate. What do you say to people that need the mortgage interest, and property tax deduction, and all other itemized deductions to pay for the mortgage? Sorry! We have to give the rich more money. Sure, that would fly.

As far as the estate tax, the death tax is a term Republican's use demonize it. It affects 2 out of 1,000 people in the U.S. These people have excellent accountants, and attorneys. They are getting around a portion of the tax. If it is within the law, there is no problem. Don't go out there and give the impression that elimination of the estate tax will benefit everyone.

By the way, I gave my daughter, and my three grandchildren $125,000. as a down payment on a house. You don't have to wait until you die to help your children. They appreciate it more, when the gift is given when you are living. I guess when you said I was one of the needy ones, you hit the nail right on the head.

A flat tax will never happen. It is a beyond stupid idea. Simple solutions to complex problems never work.

Well said. Economists have looked at Trump's proposals and said they would lead the country into recession. He obviously doesn't have a clue. He can change his demeanor and try to appear normal, but we've already seen what he is really like - an immature, petulant hater who picks fights with everyone. Clearly not fit to president. And the polls are now supporting that statement.


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