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Guest 08-17-2016 04:51 PM

Medicare for ALL.
 
Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

Guest 08-17-2016 05:01 PM

Medicare for all---sounds good on the surface, but....

The plan is going bankrupt with just seniors, imagine the deficit if everyone was included. Your FICA withholding would dwarf your income tax!!!!

Guest 08-17-2016 05:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273522)
Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

Guest 08-17-2016 05:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273527)
Medicare for all---sounds good on the surface, but....

The plan is going bankrupt with just seniors, imagine the deficit if everyone was included. Your FICA withholding would dwarf your income tax!!!!

it is far from bankrupt.

Guest 08-17-2016 05:39 PM

Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

Guest 08-17-2016 05:55 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273537)
I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

The richest country in the world is now trillions in debt.

Guest 08-17-2016 06:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273538)
it is far from bankrupt.

You are wrong it is bankrupt unless you call adding cost to deficit for our grand children to pay. In that case it is OK.

Guest 08-17-2016 06:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273537)
I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

Makes a point I guess. Even though it is far, far from the point.

Think about what was stated above. Only the rich can afford to have health care and get an education. Really.

Must be a talking point issued that requires no thought before using.

It is just common sense and in actuality INCORRECT!!!!!

Guest 08-17-2016 06:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273555)
Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

Guest 08-17-2016 06:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273575)
I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

Medicare has not spent a dime on me yet. I have full coverage private insurance. Medicare is a waste and if I could I wouldn't have paid into it.

Obama wanted a single payer system and thanks to Obamacare, it looks like he will see it. Believe me when I say that we do NOT want socialized medicine. I have been to and lived in many countries and have seen the nightmares. In those type of countries, only the rich make out in health care.

Guest 08-17-2016 06:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273555)
Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

Wow! Where the :censored: do you live?
You are either completely uninformed.
Or too young to have medicare yet and have no idea what you are talking about.
Your statement of "...nothing else..." is totally incorrect.

Guest 08-17-2016 06:32 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273575)
I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

I'll take that deal. But before you agree, realize I've paid about 300K into it, which invested at the average market return of 8% would double every 9 years. So take the midpoint, 150K, and multiply by 16 for a total return of 2.4 million. Since Medicare pays 80% of approved charges, that's an even 3 million in charges. Still want to make the deal??????

Guest 08-17-2016 06:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273555)
Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

You pay a pittance compare to what you get. Medicare part A is hospitalization, part B is doctors, part D is prescriptions started in 2008. Just how many in nursing homes on welfare, vegetables, yet given a mirad of tests.

Guest 08-17-2016 06:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273605)
You pay a pittance compare to what you get. Medicare part A is hospitalization, part B is doctors, part D is prescriptions started in 2008. Just how many in nursing homes on welfare, vegetables, yet given a mirad of tests.

Depends on the number of lawyers within 5 miles of the nursing home

Guest 08-17-2016 06:49 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273582)
Wow! Where the :censored: do you live?
You are either completely uninformed.
Or too young to have medicare yet and have no idea what you are talking about.
Your statement of "...nothing else..." is totally incorrect.

Nope, I have Medicare and I have researched it enough to know what I have and don't have. I bet you a dollar to a donut that you don't if you are in disagreement with my statement. Go ahead and look up Medicare "A" coverage, because that is ALL you get for all those years you invested in it. Medicare "b, c, d, etc" are all supplements that you pay extra for AFTER you reach Medicare eligibility, if you desire to pay for it. And what is really interesting is that you basically have to tell them that you do not wish them to take out $105 per month from your social security to pay for Medicare B. Check it out on their website if you don't believe me. I have medicare "A" and it doesn't pay for much else except hospitalization. No doctor visits, no prescriptions, etc. So, am I wrong?

I pay close to a grand per month for private health insurance for my wife an I. Medicare A is redundant. If I had nothing else but Medicare A, it still wouldn't be enough and I would have to allow them to take funds from my social security to pay for Medicare B and D.

Guest 08-17-2016 07:19 PM

Look, if Hillary gets elected your Medicare Progepram is dead.

Guest 08-17-2016 07:22 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273608)
Nope, I have Medicare and I have researched it enough to know what I have and don't have. I bet you a dollar to a donut that you don't if you are in disagreement with my statement. Go ahead and look up Medicare "A" coverage, because that is ALL you get for all those years you invested in it. Medicare "b, c, d, etc" are all supplements that you pay extra for AFTER you reach Medicare eligibility, if you desire to pay for it. And what is really interesting is that you basically have to tell them that you do not wish them to take out $105 per month from your social security to pay for Medicare B. Check it out on their website if you don't believe me. I have medicare "A" and it doesn't pay for much else except hospitalization. No doctor visits, no prescriptions, etc. So, am I wrong?

I pay close to a grand per month for private health insurance for my wife an I. Medicare A is redundant. If I had nothing else but Medicare A, it still wouldn't be enough and I would have to allow them to take funds from my social security to pay for Medicare B and D.

I have Villages Medicare Advantage. It cost Zero ( they take the oremium I would pay anyway) I love it. Had a few incidents and it worked fine.

Guest 08-17-2016 07:28 PM

The OP point has been completely lost. Vote for Hillary and your Health Care is in big trouble

Guest 08-18-2016 04:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273637)
I have Villages Medicare Advantage. It cost Zero ( they take the oremium I would pay anyway) I love it. Had a few incidents and it worked fine.

You probably don't even realize that if you have Medicare B, it is being deducted from your Social Security. A lot of folks do not realize it, because you have to notify SS if you do not want Medicare B.

Guest 08-18-2016 07:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273709)
You probably don't even realize that if you have Medicare B, it is being deducted from your Social Security. A lot of folks do not realize it, because you have to notify SS if you do not want Medicare B.

I have a HIM medicare preferred and I pay zero premium. I do know there is a deduction from my social check, however, it is small amount for great coverage. Before 65 I was paying over $600 per month for not so good coverage, praying that nothing would happen to me. They could raise my premium and I could not afford the increase.

It's great that some, mostly gov workers, have good coverage, but not everyone has.

Guest 08-18-2016 08:22 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273608)
Nope, I have Medicare and I have researched it enough to know what I have and don't have. I bet you a dollar to a donut that you don't if you are in disagreement with my statement. Go ahead and look up Medicare "A" coverage, because that is ALL you get for all those years you invested in it. Medicare "b, c, d, etc" are all supplements that you pay extra for AFTER you reach Medicare eligibility, if you desire to pay for it. And what is really interesting is that you basically have to tell them that you do not wish them to take out $105 per month from your social security to pay for Medicare B. Check it out on their website if you don't believe me. I have medicare "A" and it doesn't pay for much else except hospitalization. No doctor visits, no prescriptions, etc. So, am I wrong?

I pay close to a grand per month for private health insurance for my wife an I. Medicare A is redundant. If I had nothing else but Medicare A, it still wouldn't be enough and I would have to allow them to take funds from my social security to pay for Medicare B and D.

No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

Guest 08-18-2016 08:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273537)
I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

Everyone does get healthcare. No one is rejected. Delivery systems do differ.

Guest 08-18-2016 08:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273820)
Everyone does get healthcare. No one is rejected. Delivery systems do differ.


When you say FREE does that mean no one pays? If no one pays, do teachers and doctors donate their services? Do landlords donate their buildings? Do Utilities donate their services?

Where do you live that everyone is willing to do this?

Guest 08-18-2016 09:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273537)
I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

Guest 08-18-2016 09:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273826)
I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

:agree::agree::agree:

Guest 08-18-2016 11:26 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273826)
I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

But that's what the minorities and women want/think...that "someone" magically does everything needed.

Guest 08-18-2016 11:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273896)
But that's what the minorities and women want/think...that "someone" magically does everything needed.

SOME minorities
SOME women

also

SOME men
SOME whites

Don't turn a socioeconomic scenario into a racial/gender/religious one

Guest 08-18-2016 11:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273826)
I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

Of course it's FREE! It's paid for with 'Obama Bucks'.:D

Guest 08-18-2016 01:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273784)
No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you should keep an eye on your money better. Medicare A does not pay for all of that. You are paying or someone is paying for you for the other services. Medicare A provides only:

Hospital care
Skilled nursing facility care
Nursing home care (as long as custodial care isn't the only care you need)
Hospice
Home health services
Part A medicare deductible for hospital care is: $1,288 deductible for each benefit period

What Part A covers | Medicare.gov

Guest 08-18-2016 01:53 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273784)
No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

And just who pays for your supplement...
which covers what Medicare doesn't?

Guest 08-18-2016 02:55 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273784)
No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

Traditional Medicare with SUPPLEMENT, so it is not all covered by Medicare is it?

Guest 08-18-2016 03:01 PM

I indicated having standard medicare and a suplement.

Between the two everything has been covered.

So my bubble is not burst at all. Totally satisfied that ALL the health care needs are met with 100% satisfaction.

And the supplement is significantly less than what has been stated as paying for non medicare, non crap coverage.

I do not know of anybody that chooses standard medicare that does not also have a supplental policy.

Different strokes for different folks.

Guest 08-18-2016 03:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274018)
I indicated having standard medicare and a suplement.

Between the two everything has been covered.

So my bubble is not burst at all. Totally satisfied that ALL the health care needs are met with 100% satisfaction.

And the supplement is significantly less than what has been stated as paying for non medicare, non crap coverage.

I do not know of anybody that chooses standard medicare that does not also have a supplental policy.

Different strokes for different folks.

You stated that you pay nothing out of pocket,
but that is not true, you pay a premium for your supplement,
and you paid for Medicare for years, so you are paying plenty!
You got a weird way of assessing your costs!

Guest 08-18-2016 03:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1273522)
Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

And the alternative offered by Mr Trump is...........

Guest 08-18-2016 03:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274041)
And the alternative offered by Mr Trump is...........

ANYTHING else

Guest 08-18-2016 03:51 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274041)
And the alternative offered by Mr Trump is...........

Why don't you visit Trumps website and see what he proposes!
It's all there!

Guest 08-18-2016 04:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274045)
Why don't you visit Trumps website and see what he proposes!
It's all there!

I've read Trump's website. What part of Congress is going to agree with much of anything this guy has proposed?

Guest 08-18-2016 04:32 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274049)
I've read Trump's website. What part of Congress is going to agree with much of anything this guy has proposed?

Obamacare is collapsing, so it has to go or be
drastically revised, so it coincides with reality.
But reality is so hard for liberals to accept!
We are running out or other people's $$$

Guest 08-18-2016 04:35 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274049)
I've read Trump's website. What part of Congress is going to agree with much of anything this guy has proposed?

You asked what Trump offered, and he has offered
an alternative, but you would rather keep a collapsing program, that does nothing to reduce costs or make healthcare better!

Guest 08-18-2016 04:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1274034)
You stated that you pay nothing out of pocket,
but that is not true, you pay a premium for your supplement,
and you paid for Medicare for years, so you are paying plenty!
You got a weird way of assessing your costs!

Excuse me, I also pay no premium for my suppliment. I have a co-payment, $ 20 for doctor, $30 for specialists. That, in my opinion, is peanuts. Maybe you should look into other plans. I am very happy with mine.

Medicare payment deductions were 1 percent. What was your salary 50 years ago?


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