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The Great Fumar 04-26-2009 05:37 PM

pets in town squares ...
 
Yesterday I was told by a village employee that they are going to stop all pets from going to downtown squares...
Apparently there was an incident .....and with the crowds of people that frequent these squares I'm not surprized....
Does anyone have an update on this........

fumar

aln 04-26-2009 06:46 PM

I don't have an update, but I have an opinion.

It's a public sidewalk.

You may not be able to take pets in the seating area like you can't smoke, but I don't think they'll be able to do anything about pets outside the 'circle'.
:shrug:

Bogie Shooter 04-26-2009 07:24 PM

I predict this thread will have over 50 comments and 1500views.:2excited:

chacam 04-26-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar (Post 200729)
Apparently there was an incident

It was just a matter of time before this happened ! !

Hawkwind 04-26-2009 08:34 PM

At Spanish Springs in December I saw a very large dog attack a much smaller one on the outer sidewalk by the bar across the street from Starbucks and Katie Bell's. Both owners had their dogs on a leash but the owner of the big dog could not control the dog. I think the big dog would have killed the smaller one had it not been for some young guy jumping in and pulling the large dog off the small dog. The guy was actually rolling on the ground with the dog to get it away from the small dog.

chuckster 04-26-2009 08:44 PM

Sorry I missed that...........:beer3:

dillywho 04-26-2009 09:29 PM

You Pegged It
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 200746)
I predict this thread will have over 50 comments and 1500views.:2excited:

I know I will probably catch you-know-what for this, but I'm glad someone brought this front and center. Let me start by saying I have a dog (did have 2 but one died at 16) so I am an animal lover. The point is, they are animals and as such have their place. Not everyone thinks my little darling is as cute as I do, and I respect that. I don't understand why these people cannot leave them at home for a couple of hours. I know they don't take them to the doctors office, church, grocery store, restaurants, etc. Even man Villages offices are posted that animals not allowed. If they can't bear to leave them long enough to socialize, then they need to stay home with them or at the very least keep them leashed and in the cart with them. We were at SS one evening when a little girl was bitten in the face and nobody did a thing. I would not have been so calm had it been my child or grandchild. The owner acted as if the child should have not been there and was really rude to the grandparents. On another point, the smell is going to be an issue as the weather heats up, expecially now that there are so many people bringing their dogs. Service dogs are another matter and are working and usually are not allowed to be petted, etc. They should be allowed there as they are other places.

Bryant 04-26-2009 09:38 PM

:agree: 100%.

Barefoot 04-26-2009 11:06 PM

First the buffalo. Now dogs in the Town Squares. :sigh:

Next they'll be banning golf carts. :icon_bored:

Bryan 04-27-2009 04:54 AM

Someone noted that the roads/sidewalks are "public property" and they didn't think pets could be banned from them. FYI, those items (sidewalks, roads, etc.) are not public property at SS or SL - they are private property. The owner (the developer) just choses to make them accessible to the public but they are private and could truly be "access controlled" if the owner/developer so chose. I guess, officially, the owner of those facilities in the CDD that "owns" Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing - not one of the numbered districts either, something like the Village Center Community Development District (VCCDD). Do those initials look familiar? You see them every month on your water, sewer, trash and ammenities statement (i.e. make checks payable to VCCDD-LSSA). If they were not private property, then all the "open bottle" laws would apply and drinking in public in the square, on the square, and around the square would have to be prohibited. So yes, the owners could prohibit pets from downtown - I just hope they don't.

Talk Host 04-27-2009 05:51 AM

I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

Taltarzac 04-27-2009 07:10 AM

I agree with ALN on this.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aln (Post 200739)
I don't have an update, but I have an opinion.

It's a public sidewalk.

You may not be able to take pets in the seating area like you can't smoke, but I don't think they'll be able to do anything about pets outside the 'circle'.
:shrug:

It is the squares though where the people sit down to enjoy the music and the other people. It has been too noisy for my dog the few times I took him to either town squares.

You would need an awful lot of peeing dogs though to create any kind of smell at either of these squares so I cannot really see this as being a concern. This was brought up by a previous poster.

The statistics seem to suggest that dogs are more dangerous than any other creature that might appear at the squares except for the two legged variety. http://www.americanhumane.org/about-...dog-bites.html

chelsea24 04-27-2009 07:21 AM

Confusion...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 200799)
I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

TH, I think you might be confusing the dog in the cape with this guy...

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/krypto/


:1rotfl:

chuckster 04-27-2009 07:58 AM

[quote=Taltarzac;200806]
You would need an awful lot of peeing dogs though to create any kind of smell at either of these squares so I cannot really see this as being a concern.




Curious, wonder how many or how few dogs it has taken to smell up barf and kill off drought resistant vegetation around our mail facility. Some days seem like a social gathering of canine pals all trying to out pee the other.

dillywho 04-27-2009 08:29 AM

Question for you..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac (Post 200806)
It is the squares though where the people sit down to enjoy the music and the other people. It has been too noisy for my dog the few times I took him to either town squares.

You would need an awful lot of peeing dogs though to create any kind of smell at either of these squares so I cannot really see this as being a concern. This was brought up by a previous poster.

The statistics seem to suggest that dogs are more dangerous than any other creature that might appear at the squares except for the two legged variety. http://www.americanhumane.org/about-...dog-bites.html

Why do we see so many posts about people walking their pets (curb your dog thread) that complain about the smell getting in their yards if the smell won't become a problem at the squares as there gets to be more and more dogs? It is just natural for them to "leave their mark". In another thread (dog parks), it has been noted that dogs are more apt to become aggressive when leashed and the dogs on the squares have to be leashed. Actually, according to the restrictions here, they must be leashed when not in the confines of your own property. As you said about it being too noisy for yours when you did take them (it), it is usually too noisy for most animals. I've even heard some of the "two-legged" ones say they were ready to go home because it was too noisy to visit. My dog is too old for the parks, but that seems like a good idea if people must have their dogs in a social setting....there than can be off leash and socialize with their own species. As you said, people go to the squares to enjoy the entertainment and other people.

dillywho 04-27-2009 08:30 AM

Again,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 200799)
I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

you will always have those people who will cheat at anything (tee times, taxes, etc.) Guess this is no different.

billethkid 04-27-2009 09:29 AM

And once again an isolated incident becomes fodder
 
for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant.
So why does a subject like this warrant any consideration when real issues like using a cell and driving. More people killed than by drunk driving, yet it is tolerated...no let's call a spade a spade...ALLOWED!!!
Guess why. Because it is easy to articulate the negatives of a dog in town or not...because most have nothing to lose...they don't have dogs.
Precisely the reason there is an organization called MADD (mother's against drunk driving) they are not drinkers and have nothing to lose. But give up a cell phone ...now that there is personal involvement...losing the use of cell phones by the same mothers....not a peep....and ALLOWING the slaughter to continue.

I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

Pookirgirl 04-27-2009 09:53 AM

One evening at the Market Square, there was a dog wandering around. It seemed to be lost or we assumed it was. I called him over and to my surprise, a woman suddenly appeared and was very agitated and began yelling at me and my husband for calling him over. I was so taken back, as we were actually checking his collar for ID. We though if he had wandered away, we would have tried to contact the rightful owner. He wasn't on a leash mind you... just left free to wander! She was rude and arrogant.
We were not trying to steal her dog...just trying to help. But really... if people must bring their pets, they should be on a leash that is ATTACHED to their owner!

Barefoot 04-27-2009 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 200831)
for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant. I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTK

A voice of reason. :bowdown:

Barefoot 04-27-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pookirgirl (Post 200835)
But really... if people must bring their pets, they should be on a leash that is ATTACHED to their owner!

:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:

People like that ruin it for the majority of dog owners, who are intelligent and considerate.

dillywho 04-27-2009 10:04 AM

I Stand By What I Said
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 200831)
for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant.
So why does a subject like this warrant any consideration when real issues like using a cell and driving. More people killed than by drunk driving, yet it is tolerated...no let's call a spade a spade...ALLOWED!!!
Guess why. Because it is easy to articulate the negatives of a dog in town or not...because most have nothing to lose...they don't have dogs.
Precisely the reason there is an organization called MADD (mother's against drunk driving) they are not drinkers and have nothing to lose. But give up a cell phone ...now that there is personal involvement...losing the use of cell phones by the same mothers....not a peep....and ALLOWING the slaughter to continue.

I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

Guess you failed to read the part where I said that I do have a dog and did have two. One person, be it child or adult, or one other animal killed or maimed by a "single incident" is one too many. Do you argue this much when you are not allowed to take your dog other places? Had dogs not been allowed in the squares in the first place, this would not have become an issue. As for the cell phones, there again, the people should be responsible users. Talking on a cell phone (hands free) is no different than talking to another person in the car whether in the passenger seat or the back seat. Texting is another matter since it cannot be done without taking your eyes off the road and reading it or typing a reply.

RCT 04-27-2009 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 200831)
for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant.
So why does a subject like this warrant any consideration when real issues like using a cell and driving. More people killed than by drunk driving, yet it is tolerated...no let's call a spade a spade...ALLOWED!!!
Guess why. Because it is easy to articulate the negatives of a dog in town or not...because most have nothing to lose...they don't have dogs.
Precisely the reason there is an organization called MADD (mother's against drunk driving) they are not drinkers and have nothing to lose. But give up a cell phone ...now that there is personal involvement...losing the use of cell phones by the same mothers....not a peep....and ALLOWING the slaughter to continue.

I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

Maybe we should start a organization called VADD Villagers against denying dogs

lj410 04-27-2009 11:32 AM

:agree: I am an animal lover but I think pets should not be allowed in the entertainment areas.. These areas are crowded and often loud. Pets are unpredictable and why wait for trouble to happen.

Taltarzac 04-27-2009 11:53 AM

Check the smell at the Lake Paradise Dog Park or near the trees of Lake Paradise.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 200819)
Why do we see so many posts about people walking their pets (curb your dog thread) that complain about the smell getting in their yards if the smell won't become a problem at the squares as there gets to be more and more dogs? It is just natural for them to "leave their mark". In another thread (dog parks), it has been noted that dogs are more apt to become aggressive when leashed and the dogs on the squares have to be leashed. Actually, according to the restrictions here, they must be leashed when not in the confines of your own property. As you said about it being too noisy for yours when you did take them (it), it is usually too noisy for most animals. I've even heard some of the "two-legged" ones say they were ready to go home because it was too noisy to visit. My dog is too old for the parks, but that seems like a good idea if people must have their dogs in a social setting....there than can be off leash and socialize with their own species. As you said, people go to the squares to enjoy the entertainment and other people.

That's because there often is not one at Lake Paradise Dog Park nor around the trees outside this Villages dog park where many dogs seem to go to pee and poop.

Sometimes there is a smell at these two places if the sun has been not out long enough for the pee to evaporate. Remember though where it seems the Villages gets most of its irrigation water? If you want to smell something quite bad, check out the sprinklers on any of the many golf courses in TV.

I took my leashed dog to TV squares on my way to the Grateful Dog, the Whole Earth Pet Supply, PetCo, Pet Smart or some other store near the Villages' squares which allow dogs in their stores. This was not late in the evening when I visited the squares with a pooch in tow.

clyd709 04-27-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 200799)
I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

I agree 100% with what you are saying. I for one have several family members whow have service dogs. My 2 cousins are totally blind and have had Guide Dogs most of their adult lives. Registered Service Dogs come from Accredited Guide Dog or Sservice Dog Schools and the Handlers have Picture Id's from their Schools certifying that the are Bona Fide Trained Canines. If you ever suspect someone is faking it just very politely start up a conversation and they will usually be very willing to tell you about the wonderfull school that there dog is from. If they are hdesitent ask to see there Photo I.D and that usually gets them a little flusterred if they are faking it. It is sad that this sort of thing happens but in to-days world nothing amazes me. If you suspect that the dog is not a Registered Service Dog then report it to the Local Authorities It usually takes only a few minutes to figure this out when talking to the person. Proffesionally Trained Service Dogs are the most wonderfull thing in this world to a person who Cannot See, Are Deaf. Or Have Seizures. 99% of people who have Service Animals are Real but you always get a few scammers out there who make it bad for everyone. I say all of this from real experience because I have been extensivley involved with Guide Dogs For The Blind for over 20 years. If you need any info please E.Mail me with any questions you may have.Thank you Please excuse my typo errors was in a hurry to get this on line

cabo35 04-27-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pookirgirl (Post 200835)
But really... if people must bring their pets, they should be on a leash that is ATTACHED to their owner!

Right on! On several occasions I have observed dogs walking obnoxious owners at the town squares. Those owners need to be leashed when in public places.

SteveZ 04-27-2009 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 200839)
:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:

People like that ruin it for the majority of dog owners, who are intelligent and considerate.

Agreed. All the laws in the world have never been able to curb "stupid" and inconsiderate behavior.

GatbTester 04-27-2009 04:29 PM

Private or Public Sidewalks?
 
For what we pay in amenities monthly, those sidewalks and the town squares BETTER be public, or you are going to see a huge wall of complaining home owner's come crashing down right on the developer's door step.

golfnut 04-27-2009 04:43 PM

Gat, what do amenity fees have to do with the Squares.

KathieI 04-27-2009 04:54 PM

I love meeting the dogs at the square, my only concern is idiot owners.

A few months ago it was extremely busy at LSL and someone had their dog on a long leash and I almost tripped on the leash and the dog. For goodness sake, please, please, keep your dog on a short leash. They shouldn't be so far in front of you that pedestrians can't see them and there could be an accident. Or don't walk them through the crowds at all, dogs don't belong there unless you're carrying them.

Campbell soup 04-27-2009 05:17 PM

How about a Poll?
 
How about a poll on this matter? I do not how to set it up... I would love to see how many people really would vote to have dogs at the squares.
I have a beautiful dog...however, her or I wouldn't like her at the squares! She would much rather stay home (at least thats what she told me LOL)

The Great Fumar 04-27-2009 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 200839)
:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:.

Forgive me for not thinking quick enough to ask her what her major was..

fumar

here major , here major.....

Bogie Shooter 04-27-2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 200746)
I predict this thread will have over 50 comments and 1500views.:2excited:

My estimate may have been too low.

Hancle704 04-27-2009 06:41 PM

No dogs at Town Square
 
Will they also prohibit Cougars?

The Great Fumar 04-27-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hancle704 (Post 200935)
Will they also prohibit Cougars?

NO , I think C---ls will be able to go.......

( com-on guys, its a joke )

chelsea24 04-28-2009 12:35 AM

I wonder...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar (Post 200960)
NO , I think C---ls will be able to go.......

( com-on guys, its a joke )


hmmmm..... now who's name begins with a "C"??? Fumar! Are you being a bad little boy again? :laugh:


Taj44 04-28-2009 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 200783)
I know I will probably catch you-know-what for this, but I'm glad someone brought this front and center. Let me start by saying I have a dog (did have 2 but one died at 16) so I am an animal lover. The point is, they are animals and as such have their place. Not everyone thinks my little darling is as cute as I do, and I respect that. I don't understand why these people cannot leave them at home for a couple of hours. I know they don't take them to the doctors office, church, grocery store, restaurants, etc. Even man Villages offices are posted that animals not allowed. If they can't bear to leave them long enough to socialize, then they need to stay home with them or at the very least keep them leashed and in the cart with them. We were at SS one evening when a little girl was bitten in the face and nobody did a thing. I would not have been so calm had it been my child or grandchild. The owner acted as if the child should have not been there and was really rude to the grandparents. On another point, the smell is going to be an issue as the weather heats up, expecially now that there are so many people bringing their dogs. Service dogs are another matter and are working and usually are not allowed to be petted, etc. They should be allowed there as they are other places.

We love our pets too, but the situation at the squares seems a little out of hand. I agree with your comments.

BUC 04-28-2009 06:41 AM

I agree no pets in the squares, including KIDS

Talk Host 04-28-2009 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUC (Post 201000)
I agree no pets in the squares, including KIDS

I hope this is a joke!:shrug:

beady 04-28-2009 09:10 AM

Quite simple dogs on their leash. On second thought, maybe it's the idiot owners who should be on a leash.


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