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jimbo2012 11-29-2016 07:49 PM
Trump saved 1,000 jobs in Carrier
 
BREAKING: Trump team and United Technologies reach agreement on keeping close to 1,000 factory jobs in Carrier plant in Indiana.

This is before he gets sworn in!

I didn't see this confirmed but reported by CNBC

ColdNoMore 11-30-2016 08:07 AM
How did he do that (other than just taking credit for it)...and what is the rest of the story?


After Trump pledged to keep Carrier jobs in U.S., company says it won’t move nearly 1,000 to Mexico - The Washington Post

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 08:15 AM
U don't stay on top of the real news do ya

Turn off CNN

He called the CEO on Thanks Giving day and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. :22yikes:

A deal-maker not like Hilly she was sleeping, Obama couldn't do either

Don Baldwin 11-30-2016 08:15 AM
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How did he do that (other than just taking credit for it)...and what is the rest of the story?


After Trump pledged to keep Carrier jobs in U.S., company says it won’t move nearly 1,000 to Mexico - The Washington Post
Made a promise...made a threat...politics as usual.

MDLNB 11-30-2016 08:57 AM
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Made a promise...made a threat...politics as usual.
What's "usual" about it? Do you have any clue as to what politicians are supposed to do?

justjim 11-30-2016 09:25 AM
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What's "usual" about it? Do you have any clue as to what politicians are supposed to do?
I know politicians say things that even they don't believe just to be elected, they lie, they make promises that they know that they won't keep and they take credit for things that they had nothing to do with. Should I go on......

billethkid 11-30-2016 09:31 AM
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Made a promise...made a threat...politics as usual.
Nothing political has much merit.
The difference between a decision making, commitment making executive is following through and obtaining results based on a promise or a forecast....quite simply promises kept VS promises made. Unlike politicians there is commitment and accountability.

Trump is not politics as usual.
Will he have to play the game domestically and world wide?
Certainly.

Just look at how he is matching the needs of the jobs he is filling with capability VS the establishment crony method of filling jobs with those who support the agenda regardless whether they are capable or not.

What Trump knows and practices is negotiating to achieve an objective. Unlike Obama who has no concept whatsoever of how to negotiate. Obama will concede anthing to get something for his agenda.
Trump will negotiate to make the deal.

Let's have this discussion again on the 101st day he is in office.

For reference and enjoyment and or amusement:

10 Things You Learn Reading Donald Trump's 'The Art of the Deal' - TheStreet

Some folks have to throw away the only yardstick they ever had....the political one. We successfully voted against that a couple of weeks ago!!

MDLNB 11-30-2016 09:41 AM
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Nothing political has much merit.
The difference between a decision making, commitment making executive is following through and obtaining results based on a promise or a forecast....quite simply promises kept VS promises made. Unlike politicians there is commitment and accountability.

Trump is not politics as usual.
Will he have to play the game domestically and world wide?
Certainly.

Just look at how he is matching the needs of the jobs he is filling with capability VS the establishment crony method of filling jobs with those who support the agenda regardless whether they are capable or not.

What Trump knows and practices is negotiating to achieve an objective. Unlike Obama who has no concept whatsoever of how to negotiate. Obama will concede anthing to get something for his agenda.
Trump will negotiate to make the deal.

Let's have this discussion again on the 101st day he is in office.

For reference and enjoyment and or amusement:

10 Things You Learn Reading Donald Trump's 'The Art of the Deal' - TheStreet

Some folks have to throw away the only yardstick they ever had....the political one. We successfully voted against that a couple of weeks ago!!
Good post :thumbup:

Don Baldwin 11-30-2016 09:46 AM
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What's "usual" about it? Do you have any clue as to what politicians are supposed to do?
What they're "supposed to do" and what they actually do are diametrically opposed. They're supposed to work for the people, they really work for the corporations and powerful...and of course...themselves.

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I know politicians say things that even they don't believe just to be elected, they lie, they make promises that they know that they won't keep and they take credit for things that they had nothing to do with. Should I go on......
So then...WHY do we keep voting for them? Everybody knows the Ds and Rs BOTH lie to us...so why do we keep electing them? I voted 3rd party, I refuse to vote for a "lesser" EVIL. If we ALL voted 3rd party we COULD "drain the swamp". A vote for a 3rd party makes their total go up, not the Ds or the Rs...it's part of the lies they tell us...it's NOT a vote for "the other guy", it's a vote against them both. We have the government we voted for, we should have voted for someone else. A REAL outsider.

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Nothing political has much merit.
The difference between a decision making, commitment making executive is following through and obtaining results based on a promise or a forecast....quite simply promises kept VS promises made. Unlike politicians there is commitment and accountability.

Trump is not politics as usual.
Will he have to play the game domestically and world wide?
Certainly.

Just look at how he is matching the needs of the jobs he is filling with capability VS the establishment crony method of filling jobs with those who support the agenda regardless whether they are capable or not.

What Trump knows and practices is negotiating to achieve an objective. Unlike Obama who has no concept whatsoever of how to negotiate. Obama will concede anthing to get something for his agenda.
Trump will negotiate to make the deal.

Let's have this discussion again on the 101st day he is in office.

For reference and enjoyment and or amusement:

10 Things You Learn Reading Donald Trump's 'The Art of the Deal' - TheStreet

Some folks have to throw away the only yardstick they ever had....the political one. We successfully voted against that a couple of weeks ago!!
You've been fooled...again. Trump is business as usual...or he WON'T survive the electoral college vote next month. They will NOT allow their carefully crafted system to be taken apart by one man. There will be an accident, he won't make it to inauguration or much after if he's really a rogue. The VP will then play ball...and the borrowing and spending and getting rich will continue.

MDLNB 11-30-2016 10:10 AM
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What they're "supposed to do" and what they actually do are diametrically opposed. They're supposed to work for the people, they really work for the corporations and powerful...and of course...themselves.



So then...WHY do we keep voting for them? Everybody knows the Ds and Rs BOTH lie to us...so why do we keep electing them? I voted 3rd party, I refuse to vote for a "lesser" EVIL. If we ALL voted 3rd party we COULD "drain the swamp". A vote for a 3rd party makes their total go up, not the Ds or the Rs...it's part of the lies they tell us...it's NOT a vote for "the other guy", it's a vote against them both. We have the government we voted for, we should have voted for someone else. A REAL outsider.



You've been fooled...again. Trump is business as usual...or he WON'T survive the electoral college vote next month. They will NOT allow their carefully crafted system to be taken apart by one man. There will be an accident, he won't make it to inauguration or much after if he's really a rogue. The VP will then play ball...and the borrowing and spending and getting rich will continue.
Wow, aren't you a ray of sunshine? I don't know why you bother. What keeps you living, enjoying others folks discomfort, or just ranting and raving like a lunatic?

Don Baldwin 11-30-2016 10:21 AM
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Wow, aren't you a ray of sunshine? I don't know why you bother. What keeps you living, enjoying others folks discomfort, or just ranting and raving like a lunatic?
What keeps me living? I'm in a white paradise...what could be better? Golfing soon so this will be short.

Why do so many of you consider merely stating facts to be ranting and raving? I believe my typing is quite calm and to the point. The ranting and raving is coming from the women who disagree and can't seem to find anything to refute my ideas.

So, Ms MLDBR or whatever your name is...got something to say? Or are you just here to harass me again?

janmcn 11-30-2016 10:25 AM
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BREAKING: Trump team and United Technologies reach agreement on keeping close to 1,000 factory jobs in Carrier plant in Indiana.

This is before he gets sworn in!

I didn't see this confirmed but reported by CNBC
Trump promised to create 25 million private sector jobs. What is 25 million less 1,000?

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 10:31 AM
You just can't give credit when credit is due?

Sure beats zero

MDLNB 11-30-2016 10:32 AM
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What keeps me living? I'm in a white paradise...what could be better? Golfing soon so this will be short.

Why do so many of you consider merely stating facts to be ranting and raving? I believe my typing is quite calm and to the point. The ranting and raving is coming from the women who disagree and can't seem to find anything to refute my ideas.

So, Ms MLDBR or whatever your name is...got something to say? Or are you just here to harass me again?
:blahblahblah:..:blahblahblah:..:blahblahblah:

Typical paranoia.

MDLNB 11-30-2016 10:34 AM
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Trump promised to create 25 million private sector jobs. What is 25 million less 1,000?
Did Trump promise to create those jobs BEFORE he was sworn in? I don't recall him saying that.

Are you working on being a bad loser, or are you just a bad loser?

MDLNB 11-30-2016 10:43 AM
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Trump promised to create 25 million private sector jobs. What is 25 million less 1,000?
Trump had over 30,000 employees before he was elected. How many employees does Hillary have? How many did Obama have when he was elected? When will the gov, run by Obama catch up with employment equal to 2008? There are ten million more people not in the labor force than there was in 2008.

Hang in there and watch as America becomes great again.

janmcn 11-30-2016 10:46 AM
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Did Trump promise to create those jobs BEFORE he was sworn in? I don't recall him saying that.

Are you working on being a bad loser, or are you just a bad loser?

Twenty-five million new jobs in ten years is just one of the 282 promises Trump made before the election. Some reporters spent weeks counting up the promises so they can hold Trump's feet to the fire.

Bad loser? Au contraire. It is rather enjoyable watching Trump these days, the game show host running a game show presidency. Captain Chaos. The Trumps are turning in to the Kardashians.

janmcn 11-30-2016 10:55 AM
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Trump had over 30,000 employees before he was elected. How many employees does Hillary have? How many did Obama have when he was elected? When will the gov, run by Obama catch up with employment equal to 2008? There are ten million more people not in the labor force than there was in 2008.

Hang in there and watch as America becomes great again.

How many of Trump's 30,000 employees actually work in the USA? It is tough to make America great again when the bulk of your work force is overseas.

So far in Obama's two terms, 14 million private sector jobs have been created, with 71 straight months of positive job growth.

In 2008, the US faced the worst recession since the great depression, and we were losing 750,000 jobs per month with the Dow hovering around 6000 and the unemployment rate at 10%. Who would you rather take over from, Barack Obama or George W Bush?

MDLNB 11-30-2016 11:11 AM
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How many of Trump's 30,000 employees actually work in the USA? It is tough to make America great again when the bulk of your work force is overseas.

So far in Obama's two terms, 14 million private sector jobs have been created, with 71 straight months of positive job growth.

In 2008, the US faced the worst recession since the great depression, and we were losing 750,000 jobs per month with the Dow hovering around 6000 and the unemployment rate at 10%. Who would you rather take over from, Barack Obama or George W Bush?
What a load of cr@p! Obama is still in the hole. Compare the job force stats with when he was elected. Just because he told you how well you are doing, you should be able to tell a lie why you hear it. Obama has not yet reached the level of 2008 in anything positive. Work Force, nope. Food stamp recipients, nope. Poverty level, nope. Still millions without health insurance. Highest percentage of health care insurance costs in history. Economic growth, the worst in history. He has not achieved a year of 3% GDP growth in his 8 years, which makes it a record. No other president has achieved so little. And you applaud him? Wow, some folks are not only blind but naive. On top of all of this, he is the most divisive president in history. Race relations are worst than ever. More cop killings than ever.

But, on a positive note, he has done very well at late night TV.. But, if he wasn't president, I doubt anyone would laugh at him.

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 12:23 PM
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Paper1 11-30-2016 02:38 PM
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BREAKING: Trump team and United Technologies reach agreement on keeping close to 1,000 factory jobs in Carrier plant in Indiana.

This is before he gets sworn in!

I didn't see this confirmed but reported by CNBC
There is no free lunch, either tax payers or shareholders are taking it in the shorts. You cannot make widgets paying employees $30 an hour with benefits while someone else is paying 10% of that and getting higher productivity and quality. Who can afford to buy those widgets besides the government? If there was no tax payer money involved in this agreement I'll come back and fall on my sword, although I'm not concerned.

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 02:48 PM
you're missing the deal get off CNN and other MSM

if you have to pay an import duty of 35% payroll cost starts to wash.

Beyond that, some manufactures give a crap about America

autumnspring 11-30-2016 03:00 PM
Trumps daughter said he does the impossible
 
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How did he do that (other than just taking credit for it)...and what is the rest of the story?


After Trump pledged to keep Carrier jobs in U.S., company says it won’t move nearly 1,000 to Mexico - The Washington Post
THINK ABOUT IT - Trump on a far smaller budget, with the LIBERAL CONTROLLED PRESS giving him only negatives-HE BEAT THE CLINTON ELECTION MACHINE.

TRUMP has not even been sworn in as president AND WITH CARRIER HE AGAIN DID THE IMPOSSIBLE,

No one wins all the time-I'M SURE WE CAN COUNT ON YOU INSANE LIBERALS RO LIE IN WAIT FOR ANYTHING YOU CAN SPIN TO HE HAS DONE WRONG. So far, TRUMP has done the IMPOSSILBE.

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 03:02 PM
:BigApplause:

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 04:38 PM
The bigger picture

This also sent a message to other companies thinking about moving.

Also if he went out of his way to save 1,000 jobs it's only the beginning of a promising outlook for the economy

Don Baldwin 11-30-2016 05:18 PM
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THINK ABOUT IT - Trump on a far smaller budget, with the LIBERAL CONTROLLED PRESS giving him only negatives-HE BEAT THE CLINTON ELECTION MACHINE.

TRUMP has not even been sworn in as president AND WITH CARRIER HE AGAIN DID THE IMPOSSIBLE,

No one wins all the time-I'M SURE WE CAN COUNT ON YOU INSANE LIBERALS RO LIE IN WAIT FOR ANYTHING YOU CAN SPIN TO HE HAS DONE WRONG. So far, TRUMP has done the IMPOSSILBE.
Yes, he conned enough people with his reality TV to elect him president.

janmcn 11-30-2016 05:19 PM
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There is no free lunch, either tax payers or shareholders are taking it in the shorts. You cannot make widgets paying employees $30 an hour with benefits while someone else is paying 10% of that and getting higher productivity and quality. Who can afford to buy those widgets besides the government? If there was no tax payer money involved in this agreement I'll come back and fall on my sword, although I'm not concerned.

It helps that he has the governor of IN on his team. The same governor who could offer a company all kinds of special incentives.

Trump is traveling to IN tomorrow to take a victory lap. Hopefully, he'll be able to announce the reopening of the coal mines in WV as soon as he takes office


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The bigger picture

This also sent a message to other companies thinking about moving.

Also if he went out of his way to save 1,000 jobs it's only the beginning of a promising outlook for the economy

Some people have just the opposite opinion that companies will be demanding special incentives whether they intend to move or not.

Don Baldwin 11-30-2016 05:25 PM
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The bigger picture

This also sent a message to other companies thinking about moving.

Also if he went out of his way to save 1,000 jobs it's only the beginning of a promising outlook for the economy
The biggies, those who matter...bailed out decades ago. These are the widows and orphans...too late to the party as usual.

The bigger...the biggest picture is...rich and powerful men run huge corporations that make them tons of money and give them power. They use that money and power to "stack" governments to their advantage so they can acquire even more money and power. The politicians are placed in position so they can do the bidding of the rich and powerful, they're the ones who do the actual "stacking" of the government positions/regulators who do the rich and powerful's bidding.

Trump only becomes president if "they" approve of it...it'll be a VERY short tenure.

Paper1 11-30-2016 05:30 PM
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you're missing the deal get off CNN and other MSM

if you have to pay an import duty of 35% payroll cost starts to wash.

Beyond that, some manufactures give a crap about America
We will loss in a trade war, think more than 1 day out if you can.

Don Baldwin 11-30-2016 05:30 PM
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It helps that he has the governor of IN on his team. The same governor who could offer a company all kinds of special incentives.

Trump is traveling to IN tomorrow to take a victory lap. Hopefully, he'll be able to announce the reopening of the coal mines in WV as soon as he takes office





Some people have just the opposite opinion that companies will be demanding special incentives whether they intend to move or not.
Oh yes...get them to stay no matter the cost! I've seen it, they get an offer they can't refuse...because it's so good. No taxes and tax CREDITS for like 50 years to keep/bring in a plant that will hire just a few hundred. The city/county/state loses big time, the citizens lose.

The whole government is corrupt to the bone. They get theirs and the h3ll with everyone else.

ColdNoMore 11-30-2016 05:36 PM
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The bigger picture

This also sent a message to other companies thinking about moving.

Also if he went out of his way to save 1,000 jobs it's only the beginning of a promising outlook for the economy
LOL :1rotfl:

It only created a line of CEO's who will 'say' that they are moving overseas...in the hopes of getting some kind of special tax break(s).

The fact that we still don't know what Carrier is getting out of it (you can bet that it wasn't just because Trump said something)...is what I'm waiting on. :popcorn:

But hey, I'm not surprised that Chump would take credit or lie about/hyperbolize taking credit for something he didn't do...as he is notorious for that.

Since he hasn't taken office and hasn't had that wall of responsibility fall on his head yet...he has the time to tweet and lie. :shrug:

ColdNoMore 11-30-2016 05:39 PM
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We will lose in a trade war, think more than 1 day out if you can.
Not likely.

If nothing else has been shown, Trump and his sheep have shown to only be capable of short-term tactical thinking...not strategic.

OpusX1 11-30-2016 05:51 PM
I don't post on here at all. But when The president creates 10 million or 25 million new jobs you libs will be whining that the don't pay enough or that they are not union jobs or some other BS. It really must be miserable to live your life in a funk.

ColdNoMore 11-30-2016 06:00 PM
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I don't post on here at all. But when The president creates 10 million or 25 million new jobs you libs will be whining that the don't pay enough or that they are not union jobs or some other BS. It really must be miserable to live your life in a funk.
So I guess that means you're enlightened and non-hypocritical enough to give Obama credit, for dragging us back from the economic precipice...that The Shrub pushed us to?

Nahhh...I didn't think so. :D

AJ32162 11-30-2016 06:27 PM
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So I guess that means you're enlightened and non-hypocritical enough to give Obama credit, for dragging us back from the economic precipice...that The Shrub pushed us to?

Nahhh...I didn't think so. :D
Oh, you mean Obama's failed stimulus ($831 billion) and his not-so-shovel-ready jobs program? The Fed's monetary policy and quantitative easing are responsible for the recovery...Obama, not so much.

ColdNoMore 11-30-2016 06:54 PM
I'm correct...again. :D

AJ32162 11-30-2016 07:07 PM
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I'm correct...again. :D
A hollow victory...at best.:D

billethkid 11-30-2016 07:50 PM
How long do the post election loser DT's last?

jimbo2012 11-30-2016 08:44 PM
Jan 20th plus 100 days, that should shut them up

ColdNoMore 11-30-2016 08:52 PM
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How long do the post election loser DT's last?
I personally wouldn't know since I'm getting a kick out of watching all the flailing, but it seems yours lasted...for eight, extremely long years. :D


A shame your joy will only last a couple of years though. ;)


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