Obama's War on the American Dream
 

Tea Party Talking Points:

http://www.heritage.org/Press/FactSheet/fs0035.cfm

I wish every American would read all this information. Are the people who attend these Tea Parties just the 10-20% of the population that really get involved. One of our own had a a post about the 80-20 ratio of people who actually do something. The 20% do the work and the 80% get a free ride?

Please observe the chart. Notice the debt for the next 10 years.

How do you think we got here DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
 

Spending, Spending, Spending: President Obama spent nearly $800 billion on the stimulus bill and then proposed a budget that would increase spending by another $1 trillion over the next 10 years. Spending in 2009 has increased 25%, which is the largest non-war government expansion since the New Deal.

The budget has all costs in it unlike the BUSH administration that forgot to put in little thinks like $600 Billion for the Iraq War.. Oh and part of the 1 Trillion was additional funds to try to save the economy that OPEN MARKETS and Greedy CEO's created... HOW SOON YOU FORGET... BUSH never vetoed a a spending bill in his life... NO budget deficit 2000 to 5 Trillion in 2008 gee how did that happen


Creating or Saving Jobs?The President set a benchmark of a 138.6 million jobs in the U.S. economy by the end of 2010. He is currently 6.4 million jobs short. Yet with rising unemployment, the White House continues to take credit for jobs "saved" without any empirical evidence to suggest this is true. The stimulus bill did create jobs in one sector--the government--by nearly doubling the size of several federal agencies and creating a huge bureaucracy.

It has only been 168 days and 140 major projects have been funded and are about to startup. It takes time... we Americans are an instant gratification society.. take a Xannex and relax a little


A Second Stimulus? The President stated that the stimulus would start helping the economy within months if not weeks of passage, but his advisor's are now saying the real effect won't take place until later this year, maybe. Meanwhile, the White House is now openly considering a second stimulus spending bill. The first stimulus already dumped $9,400 of debt into every American's lap. Why double down? NOT TRUE he said it would take into 2010 for the full impact to be felt


What about the F22 and C17 spending by both parties for aircraft the pentagon does not want or need..... that is government at its best


YOU HAVE THE CHICKEN LITTLE SYNDROME

Senator Obama vs President Obama
 

Second Stimulus Bill Coming?
 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ajQbZ.WrAVwQ

Spending, spending, spending our way to prosperity?

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You need talking points? And is this the same as the War on Christmas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFb1Yvlem4


The trick is - If you read these headlines about Obama's policies they'd sound more like something you'd expect from a regime in Iran - not here in the U.S.A.

Think about it, Homeland Security Reports labeling certain mainstream conservatives such as military veterans and pro-life advocates as "right wing terrorists"... the government taking over automakers, firing chief executives and closing down thousands of dealerships under government decree... massive deficit spending designed to squash the private sector and make people beholden to the government for their income and livelihood.

But sadly, these reports ARE about the United States and Obama's administration (with the backing of the Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi Congress) are pushing ahead even further - with the "Cap & Trade" (the largest tax increase in history), a massive socialistic government health care proposal, and more.

Obama -- Not my idea of hope and change !

Not only do I agree with you, but it seems to me from what I have read his position with the Hondura's points out his feelings about democracy.

Honduras president tries to over run the constitution...the supreme court of the land because of what he does kicks him out AND SCHEDULED ELECTIONS, all of this within the constitution of Honduras....and our President supports the guy who tried to override the constitution.

Scary stuff

Give me a break...healthcare in the US is in sad shape. Something needs to be done. The Cap and Trade only reverses the damage that was done by the Bush administration.

And how many of you who complain are receiving Social Security and are covered by Medicare? Both are socialistic programs....

Could you please be a bit more specifc as to the damage that Bush did that required the current cap and trade recently passed by the house ?

Thank you

Coal fired power plants restrictions for scrubbers were lifted by the Bush administration. In addition power plant were allowed to rebuild plants under retro fit rules which again allowed them to skirt the regulations for cleaner plants.

Without checking your validity on your points, you are saying that the entire big spend cap and trade bill just passed by the house was due to these two items ???

WOW

PS: Have your read the recent cap and trade bill passed by Congress (Again unread by those who voted but maybe you have found time to read it).....do you actually know what it calls for ?

Look ....no one read the bills when the Repubs were in power...so just give up on that Fox Noise point. No I don't think the entire CAP and Trade is just because of those two things....

This is YOUR QUOTE...

"The Cap and Trade only reverses the damage that was done by the Bush administration."

I assume now that you admit it is a bit more than reversing the two items you mentioned....MUCH MUCH MORE !

You did not answer if you are aware of what is in this new bill...I would really like to hear your defense of it.....heck, even many or at least some Dems could not even vote for it.

Last point....guess you were there and I wasnt on who read what in the last 8 years...I just know that the largest spending bills OF ALL TIME are being passed with no reading.

Chicago-on-the-Potomac
 

The more things CHANGE the more they stay the Same.http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/0...-than-thought/

Since when does wrong doing by legislators in the past
 

no matter who the :cus: they were..... justify the current wrong doing....in this case the cap & tax bill with substantial ramifications included.

Does the opposition ever NOT restate any issue in terms of Bush? the last 8 years? It must be :cus: being so limited!!!

btk

It does not matter whether its's Reps or Dems not reading the bills they vote on. In my book, the fact that elected representatives EVER don't read bills is abominable and as unAmerican as it gets. The business of the nation is not to create "party power." When our elected representatives have total unconcern for fulfilling their office responsibilities with honor, not giving a tinker's dam about what's good for the country, then what happens is our government has deteriorated to "what's good for the congressperson first, party second, and whatever's left the country gets."

That's why the worst situation there is, is when one party controls the Executive and the Legislature. When that happens, the country always comes in third place. At least when one party has the Executive and the other the Legislature, it takes a "super-majority" to get a bill passed and into law. That gives America a chance to be the first beneficiary of any law, instead of getting what's left after the party has it's chew.

Biden says they read it wrong.
 

What a bunch of horse manure. They, Obama and Biden...told us over and over that the economy is the worst since the Great Depression. So how did they "read it wrong'?

These clowns are trying to re-write history. They told everybody, that was listening, that the unemployment rate would never go over 8% and now it is approaching 10%
Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be created this summer. We lost almost a half million jobs last month.
And the media? They are in bed with these clowns. Imagine what the headlines would be if McCain was the President now. Would they be cheerleading him and only printing hopeful news? NO They would be on the rooftops yelling like crazy how the USA is going down the tubes.
And the gaffes this idiot makes every day that doesn't get reported. He is totally useless without his teleprompter, and he is a liar with it.

Whewwwwwww Rant over:cus: Time for a cold one, (water):beer3:.

omg!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cologal
give me a break...healthcare in the us is in sad shape. Something needs to be done. The cap and trade only reverses the damage that was done by the bush administration.


OMG seems appropriate. However for someone to say that health care in the US is in sad shape and the Cap and Trade only reverses the damage done by the Bush administration clearly either has no idea of what these two programs will do to harm the United States or is a limousine liberal with a trust fund and has no need to worry about the economy.

Just an opinion.

Yoda

a member of the loyal opposition

You are absolutely right...we withstood the Bush Administration for 8 years....most of the time all we heard about was Clinton...now it is Barney Frank.

The American system of government works like this....2 people, or more, run for President...we all vote. Once the guy who won the popular vote lost. We had to live with Bush...now you have to live with Obama. He won the election by a wide margin..It is what it is.

It's not cap-n-trade, it's anything that BO proposes. Some give him a blank check and a big free pass and they don't care what the outcome is or who suffers because of it.

Why is it BIG issue with the reading of the bills....how high on the talking points?

What can I do about the bill? My rep voted against it. But of course I didn't vote for him. How many Repub bills were passed in much the same manner when they were in charge....just how many did you speak out about?

So if you want a change in my original statement then just add the word some. Like this:

"The Cap and Trade only reverses some the damage that was done by the Bush administration."

Unbelievable:o

I realize that you are not big on facts. However, let me provide you with a few of them.

(1) The United States is not the largest man made emitter of CO2 in the world - that honor belongs to China.
(2) The US total emissions will be surpassed by first India and then Sub Saharan Africa over the next two decades.
(3) China, India and all African nations will not be a part of cap and trade except to trade their unused carbon sinks for cash from the Western World.
(4) The United States is a net carbon sink because of our extensive forests.
(5) Obama does intend to keep his promise of having utility rates 'skyrocket.' How much is as yet unknown - estimates vary from a few hundred to $3,600 per household per year (on the average). Perhaps you can afford that, but I know a number of families in this area who cannot.
(6) Global temperatures have been falling since 1998 - a period of ten years now. 2009 promises to keep the trend going.
(7) Of the approximately 180,000,000 tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere each year, only 6.000.000 tons is accounted for by human activity. The rest comes from the oceans, decaying plant life, etc.

Please tell me the facts that show that global climate change is caused by anthropogenic CO2 and how that, in particular, ties into the Bush administration. Facts please, not meaning assertions stating, "...the overwhelming scientific consensus is ........" Facts with real numbers put up by real scientists.

It is very difficult to respond to something like this.

It is unbelievable that someone can be so uninformed of FACTS, not spin or talking points, and be so in love with a political party and have a basis of opinion based totally on "Bush did it" !!

WOW...is the best

Cologal,

I would have been glad to opt out of the government taxing me all of my life for social security and would be much weathier today if I had that option. BUT, I didn't have that option and I will never recieve all that I put in had I been able to invest it myself. I wish our government representatives had to be a part of this scam.

Believe it!!!:jester::a20:

So you don't believe in globel warming....do you value your lungs? Soot

Bucco I keep telling you I vote for Repubs, from time to time. I sometime disagree with the Dems as I did by supporting Hillary for president.

You don't believe any sources I use so don't say I don't have facts. I don't believe yours either.

How many times has it been posted here that Barney Frank did it. Or better yet Clinton did it.

Don't be so righteous....

I understand your statement but no one can really say that. Mainly because no one knows how long each of us will live. The other thing is the stock market itself. While some people make a killing other just get killed. Or kill themselves.

Last year when I bought my winter home in TV I had enough money in one account to pay off both mortgages. My advisor told me NOT to take any out for the downpayment.....leave it in it will grow. Trust me it didn't grow.

I also believe there was a study and I will look for it. 2 states compared traditional retirements vs 401k plan retirements. The traditional ones fared better than the 401k plans.

Winning an election does not turn someone into a 4-year monarch. Actually, I have fewer problems with Mr. Obama as I do with Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid who have turned Congress into the largest rubber-stamp in history. Sorry, the concept of not reading a bill before voting on it is atrocious. It's like an individual signing a contract with a $1Million obligation and not knowing the terms and conditions. In this case the congresspersons, as our agents, are signing contracts by virtue of their votes with no knowledge or care about the content. Does anyone believe that's the proper conduct for their agent?

I agree that the stock market is akin to a casino. That's the nature of the place. "Investment counselors" are basically "gambling advisers." You can find comparable folk hanging around every OTB parlor - the game is just different!

As far as Social Security is concerned, the main problem with it is that the fund has been raided, so now a Ponzi arrangement is necessary to meet obligations. When that happens with private plans, folk go to jail. Here, we just reward Congresspersons with more terms in office.

Agree. I often hear that we take out more money then we put in over our lifetimes. Well, that might be the case if the money you put in just sat there and left to it's own means. But let's be honest here...if the money that I put into SS for the last 46 years was deposited into a simple savings account and allowed to accumulate compounded interest, I think, no I know, that I would be a very happy and secure fellow today.
But like Steve Z said, the money was raided. Without getting into all particulars, Johnson's war on poverty and Vietnam was the beginning and the end to my emotional well being.
I predict that there will be some sort of "means testing" to determine how much money, that you put in, that you will receive every month from Uncle Joe.

I agree with much of what you posted. My point is that nothing has changed here. The Republicans, when in power, marched in lock step to pass bills, before reading them, and Bush didn't veto a thing until the Dems took over.

Here is a link on Nebraska throwing out their 401K retirement plan after 19 years because it didn't perform as expected.

http://www.thestreet.com/funds/belowradar/10021041.htm

I have heard many times how much better will all would have done had we invested it ourselves. It is simply not true. The only people who have made out...over time are the guys that churn the accounts. Its the fees

Then do we continue to accept this "status quo" of our agents not fulfilling their responsibilities to us and instead answering to party hierarchy, or do we throw the bums out during the next election?

This is not a Dem or Rep issue. I don't care if the sorry incumbent is tossed during the primary or the November election. A clean sweep is needed. Those who act as if "the Party is father, the Party is mother' can continue to do so - just get rid of the multi-term slug who two-faces you at campaign time when in fact they only see themselves as representing the RNC or DNC instead of the voters. There surely is someone in your party whose ideals and ethics are to the voters and not the party gods.

From STEVEZ...

"Winning an election does not turn someone into a 4-year monarch. Actually, I have fewer problems with Mr. Obama as I do with Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid who have turned Congress into the largest rubber-stamp in history. Sorry, the concept of not reading a bill before voting on it is atrocious. It's like an individual signing a contract with a $1Million obligation and not knowing the terms and conditions. In this case the congresspersons, as our agents, are signing contracts by virtue of their votes with no knowledge or care about the content. Does anyone believe that's the proper conduct for their agent?"


Steve and this is more aimed at folks like COLOGAL and others who think that posts are either anti Democratic or Pro Republican.......

I said during the campaign on a number of occassions that while I opposed the election of Obama, my passion was based on the current congress that he had to work with. It is the perfect storm for sure.

Bucco....

You cannot, with a straight face, tell me that you are not pro-republican. :shrug:

Are you smoking some funny weed maybe?

This is the laugh of the day. Or maybe the week, month or year.

Ok lets talk turkey....My representative, from Colorado Springs, is a Republican. God himself could run but if he had a D behind is name he would lose. This guy doesn't have to run, debate anything to get elected. He has a job for life. The funny thing is even the Repubs didn't want him but he won the primary and there you have it.

My issue is with the hypocritical nature of politics...not you...politics. Eight years ago my people were stunned with the turn of events. Whenever, and this is personal experience, we said anything about Bush we got. But he is the President and Commander and Chief he deserves respect. It only got worse after Iraq. Protesting against the war was a blood sport....

Now look at what people say here in this forum? All kinds of claims...this thread is how Obama is killing the American Dream. Where is the respect for the President now? So someone will reply....you all hated Bush so its ok.

Hypocrites....it will never end.

TODAY, AT THIS MOMENT....yep you are correct !!! BUT...NO MATTER...

My country is first...just so happens that since this political forum has existed we have had THIS congress and THIS President either in the primary or general election.

And as to your smart#$% sarcasm...dont smoke !

Is this your idea or either an intelligent or factual response? As I have said repeatedly in the forum, I believe that so-called anthropogenic global warming is a hoax. You choose to believe in anthropogenic global warming - that is your right. You may also choose to believe in The Easter Bunny - that is also your right. You have shown equal factual support for both of these beliefs. Again, your right.

What is not your right is to help yourself to my money without demonstrating clear factual need for me to give up what is mine. It remains your right to support the so call 'global warming initiatives.' The easiest and most effective means to do so is to turn off your electricity. If you are unwilling to go this far than at least turn off you AC, unplug your televisions and cancel all your subscriptions. Do a reverse Al Gore and back your beliefs with actions that demonstrate commitment and conviction. Until you choose action, then you remain all talk.