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N44125 02-12-2017 11:35 AM

Deed Restriction Enforcement
 
I read the article on this subject in yesterday's 'other' newspaper. I went on Google Maps and it was quite easy to identify which property this was...their driveway was full of golf carts...even in this obviously dated view. I then drove over there this morning and found the current condition equally disgusting.

My questions are: How could this ever be alllowed to get to this situation? Will the new rules be able to correct this problem? I'm surprised that the neighbor's home value has only decrease by 6-8K. I thought it would be more.

graciegirl 02-12-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by N44125 (Post 1359390)
I read the article on this subject in yesterday's 'other' newspaper. I went on Google Maps and it was quite easy to identify which property this was...their driveway was full of golf carts...even in this obviously dated view. I then drove over there this morning and found the current condition equally disgusting.

My questions are: How could this ever be alllowed to get to this situation? Will the new rules be able to correct this problem? I'm surprised that the neighbor's home value has only decrease by 6-8K. I thought it would be more.


I am a huge supporter of deed restrictions. In the past there were fewer deed restrictions north of 466 and you could easily see the sometimes over the top lawn art there.

Deed restrictions are simply a way to protect everyone's investment. IMHO. I hope they can make this guy stop his at home business. He can rent a place out of his residential neighborhood if he wants to run a business.

Sandtrap328 02-12-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1359416)
I am a huge supporter of deed restrictions. In the past there were fewer deed restrictions north of 466 and you could easily see the sometimes over the top lawn art there.

Deed restrictions are simply a way to protect everyone's investment. IMHO. I hope they can make this guy stop his at home business. He can rent a place out of his residential neighborhood if he wants to run a business.

You are absolutely right. Cease the driveway repair business immediately or start paying large daily fines. People knew exactly what was allowed and was not allowed when they moved into The Villages.

Hancle704 02-12-2017 08:25 PM

Having lived in CDD-1 for almost 20 years, I have to wonder how the contract we signed back then can be changed. Yes there have been some issues but for the most part no one has objected to lawn ornaments or White Crosses. Will this change because someone (a non-resident of CDD-1) is suddenly offended as they drive through our neighborhood? We have a wonderful Village where neighbors are friends and yes, we care for each other.

DonH57 02-12-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hancle704 (Post 1359602)
Having lived in CDD-1 for almost 20 years, I have to wonder how the contract we signed back then can be changed. Yes there have been some issues but for the most part no one has objected to lawn ornaments or White Crosses. Will this change because someone (a non-resident of CDD-1) is suddenly offended as they drive through our neighborhood? We have a wonderful Village where neighbors are friends and yes, we care for each other.

Deed restrictions differ from district 1 to, what do we have now 10 districts? We are in district 2 and there's quite a difference between ours and district 5 for example.

lafoto 02-12-2017 10:56 PM

Which deed restriction did this disgusting person break?

Inexes@aol.com 02-12-2017 11:25 PM

DeedRestrictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1359416)
I am a huge supporter of deed restrictions. In the past there were fewer deed restrictions north of 466 and you could easily see the sometimes over the top lawn art there.

Deed restrictions are simply a way to protect everyone's investment. IMHO. I hope they can make this guy stop his at home business. He can rent a place out of his residential neighborhood if he wants to run a business.

I am not understanding the comment about lawn art, etc, North of 466. I have been here, north of 466, for 17 years and was aware when built house that there was to be NO lawn art, including even a bird bath. And there was to be NO business run out of your house. I see no difference in the restrictions north vs south of 466. Any "over the top" lawn art is OUT of compliance.....

Bryan 02-13-2017 05:50 AM

Not only is this 'golf cart repair business' an abomination, there has been an abandoned car parked in The Savannah Center parking lot for over eight months and district officials seem unable to do anything about it. Seems like our deed restrictions may, in some cases, be an unenforceable paper tiger.

Chatbrat 02-13-2017 06:45 AM

drop a dime on the cart business to the state & the IRS, any driveway business is most likely not paying taxes and handling hazardous waste correctly

Barboza 02-13-2017 08:54 AM

anyone seen the number of golf carts in the driveway of home in Mareno court off Morse N of 466?
Looks like sales/rental business in that home, devaluing the properties in that otherwise very nice area.

Bogie Shooter 02-13-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Barboza (Post 1359718)
anyone seen the number of golf carts in the driveway of home in Mareno court off Morse N of 466?
Looks like sales/rental business in that home, devaluing the properties in that otherwise very nice area.

Turn 'em in Dano............................

justjim 02-13-2017 09:47 AM

Most of us bought here in The Villages because there are deed restrictions. I would not make a considerable investment in a home without them. Come on let's get district paid lawyers who will pursue those who are running such businesses out of their homes to the deteriment of their neighbors. This shouldn't be "rocket science".

EnglishJW 02-13-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1359416)
I am a huge supporter of deed restrictions. In the past there were fewer deed restrictions north of 466 and you could easily see the sometimes over the top lawn art there.

Deed restrictions are simply a way to protect everyone's investment. IMHO. I hope they can make this guy stop his at home business. He can rent a place out of his residential neighborhood if he wants to run a business.

I agree completely. The first extremely positive impression we had of The Villages was the way it looked. Deed restrictions play a significant role in protecting how things look here.

Bogie Shooter 02-13-2017 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1359765)
Most of us bought here in The Villages because there are deed restrictions. I would not make a considerable investment in a home without them. Come on let's get district paid lawyers who will pursue those who are running such businesses out of their homes to the deteriment of their neighbors. This shouldn't be "rocket science".

Isn't that why the changed the timing and fines? RE article in paper referenced by OP..............

Hancle704 02-13-2017 02:23 PM

Just don't be quick to judge a home that suddenly has 4-8 golf carts parked there. Might be nothing more than several group foursomes returning for lunch or libations.

Hancle704 02-13-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Inexes@aol.com (Post 1359631)
I am not understanding the comment about lawn art, etc, North of 466. I have been here, north of 466, for 17 years and was aware when built house that there was to be NO lawn art, including even a bird bath. And there was to be NO business run out of your house. I see no difference in the restrictions north vs south of 466. Any "over the top" lawn art is OUT of compliance.....

CDD-1 was the first and living here for almost 20 years the ban on lawn ornaments and white crosses now, have not been enforced. Nor was there a problem with the same on the original Villages located on the "historic" part of The Villages on the east side of US Hwy 441/27. Never bothered folks who moved here before. It wasn't broken, why "fix" it now? Each CDD has different rules and elected Supervisors, so why must they now be all the same?

DonH57 02-13-2017 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hancle704 (Post 1359905)
CDD-1 was the first and living here for almost 20 years the ban on lawn ornaments and white crosses now, have not been enforced. Nor was there a problem with the same on the original Villages located on the "historic" part of The Villages on the east side of US Hwy 441/27. Never bothered folks who moved here before. It wasn't broken, why "fix" it now? Each CDD has different rules and elected Supervisors, so why must they now be all the same?

Each district does have different restrictions that you signed at closing. Nothing's been changed, only enforcement of existing rules. Your district office will provide you with the correct information. Don't listen to half what you read here.

twoplanekid 02-13-2017 06:20 PM

from the District web site ->

Village Community Development District No. 10 (District) will be adopting its rule to Bring About Deed Compliance on February 16, 2017. Once the rule has been adopted, enforcement of deed compliance by the District will become effective March 1, 2017 and architectural control becomes effective May 1, 2017.
Prior to the rule being adopted, staff will be hosting public informational sessions regarding the new process. We invite you and request you invite your neighbors to attend one of the sessions. The date, time and location are listed below.
• Monday, February 13, 2017—Rohan Recreation Center from 2:00 p.m. – 4:00 p.m.
• Wednesday, February 15, 2017—Rohan Recreation Center from 6:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
It is not necessary for you to call and confirm a date and we look forward to seeing you and your neighbors at one of the public information sessions!

I hope to make the Wednesday night meeting and would encourage others in 10 to attend.

TheDude 02-14-2017 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360013)
from the District web site ->

Village Community Development District No. 10 (District) will be adopting its rule to Bring About Deed Compliance on February 16, 2017. Once the rule has been adopted, enforcement of deed compliance by the District will become effective March 1, 2017 and architectural control becomes effective May 1, 2017.
Prior to the rule being adopted, staff will be hosting public informational sessions regarding the new process. We invite you and request you invite your neighbors to attend one of the sessions. The date, time and location are listed below.
• Monday, February 13, 2017—Rohan Recreation Center from 2:00 p.m. – 4:00 p.m.
• Wednesday, February 15, 2017—Rohan Recreation Center from 6:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
It is not necessary for you to call and confirm a date and we look forward to seeing you and your neighbors at one of the public information sessions!

I hope to make the Wednesday night meeting and would encourage others in 10 to attend.

Information on this is limited. The other 9 districts have adopted this. I bought for the reason of deed compliance with the thought that anything really wanted could be brought to the district board for approval. I don't want a neighbor to put a basketball rim over their garage. Been there, seen that; a nightmare.

rubicon 02-14-2017 06:01 AM

My wife and I had excluded the state of Florida early on when we began looking for places to retire "but for" The Villages and the strict deed compliance we would have never moved here.

It is sad to see people who just do not or cannot care for their property. While a small matter I have noticed several concrete driveways that have never been power washed and they are simply filthy.

I deplore fences and was pleased that deed restriction excluded them. Natural barriers add much to a development

Let's face the true residents have to police their areas and report violations because if we do not then we get what we deserve

twoplanekid 02-14-2017 08:37 AM

I would encourage a policy by districts whereby only anonymous complaints submitted by same district residents to the accused resident are acted upon.

tom g 02-14-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360214)
I would encourage a policy by districts whereby only anonymous complaints submitted by same district residents to the accused resident are acted upon.

Why ???

twoplanekid 02-14-2017 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tom g (Post 1360225)
Why ???

I don’t want outside individuals on a mission to change what our local neighborhood will accept.

DonH57 02-14-2017 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360227)
I don’t want outside individuals on a mission to change what our local neighborhood will accept.

I wouldn't really worry to much about it. If someone who runs around with a copy of deed restrictions for every district to thumb thru and has time to drive all over the villages for that purpose I would say they unfortunately retired way to early, and should still be working.:shrug:

graciegirl 02-14-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by donh57 (Post 1360239)
i wouldn't really worry to much about it. If someone who runs around with a copy of deed restrictions for every district to thumb thru and has time to drive all over the villages for that purpose i would say they unfortunately retired way to early, and should still be working.:shrug:

like!

graciegirl 02-14-2017 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360227)
I don’t want outside individuals on a mission to change what our local neighborhood will accept.

DEAR TWO PLANE.

You signed the deed restriction. Relax. It works very well. It is pretty close to PERFECT here...and gradually it will seep into your very soul.

Challenger 02-14-2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360214)
I would encourage a policy by districts whereby only anonymous complaints submitted by same district residents to the accused resident are acted upon.

If one is violating restrictions , I don't care who turns him in .

Barefoot 02-14-2017 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1359926)
Don't listen to half what you read here.

:evil6:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1360146)
Let's face the truth - residents have to police their areas and report violations because if we do not then we get what we deserve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1360263)
If one is violating restrictions , I don't care who turns him in .

That seems fair to me, for those residents that deliberately violate deed restrictions.
If the violation isn't deliberate, then the resident would probably be happy to correct the problem.
After all, we're talking front yards only, and violations that are noticeable.

Bogie Shooter 02-14-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360227)
I don’t want outside individuals on a mission to change what our local neighborhood will accept.

Are we not all Villagers?

twoplanekid 02-14-2017 02:56 PM

As an example, most of the people on my street could be sited for breaking one or more golden rules/deed restrictions. However, I enjoy what I see and would dislike the harmony and creativity of our street disturbed by others/outsiders/those not living near to the situation.

I am just expressing my feelings on this subject as others have expressed theirs. I can’t say if time will change my opinions.

Bogie Shooter 02-14-2017 07:38 PM

Outsiders??

CFrance 02-14-2017 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1360497)
Outsiders??

I think (I don't know for sure) he might mean Villagers living outside his neighborhood. As an example, a year or so ago a Villager from outside our neighborhood drove all through Tamarind Grove writing down violations and addresses, then emailed them to deed restriction. Someone realized this email would be available via the sunshine law and got a copy of it. The person's name was in the email, and that's how we in TG know that it wasn't even one of our own Villagers.

Not condoning or condemning... just saying this might be what TPK means.

kcrazorbackfan 02-14-2017 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1360146)
My wife and I had excluded the state of Florida early on when we began looking for places to retire "but for" The Villages and the strict deed compliance we would have never moved here.

It is sad to see people who just do not or cannot care for their property. While a small matter I have noticed several concrete driveways that have never been power washed and they are simply filthy.

I deplore fences and was pleased that deed restriction excluded them. Natural barriers add much to a development

Let's face the true residents have to police their areas and report violations because if we do not then we get what we deserve

I'm probably a minority, but I really miss a fenced back yard for my pups (2 small girls) to run in. Had a wrought iron black fences in the back yards of our KC and STL homes. Will not take them to any dog park here anymore because of aggressive dogs in the under 30lb. side; I promised a guy that if his dog made one more attempt toward either of my dogs, I would stop the threat. I guess he saw I meant business when I brought out the expandable 30" steel baton.

dbussone 02-14-2017 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1360540)
I'm probably a minority, but I really miss a fenced back yard for my pups (2 small girls) to run in. Had a wrought iron black fences in the back yards of our KC and STL homes. Will not take them to any dog park here anymore because of aggressive dogs in the under 30lb. side; I promised a guy that if his dog made one more attempt toward either of my dogs, I would stop the threat. I guess he saw I meant business when I brought out the expandable 30" steel baton.



I use an Invisible Fence around my yard, but I think you have a great backup suggestion for dogs who want in and are aggressive.


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DonH57 02-14-2017 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1360531)
I think (I don't know for sure) he might mean Villagers living outside his neighborhood. As an example, a year or so ago a Villager from outside our neighborhood drove all through Tamarind Grove writing down violations and addresses, then emailed them to deed restriction. Someone realized this email would be available via the sunshine law and got a copy of it. The person's name was in the email, and that's how we in TG know that it wasn't even one of our own Villagers.

Not condoning or condemning... just saying this might be what TPK means.

I remember that because it was properly handled by the authority as filed 13 and Taminand Grove wasn't the only village false restriction violations were reported. Plain abuse of what should be a good system by actual violations.

CFrance 02-15-2017 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1360545)
I use an Invisible Fence around my yard, but I think you have a great backup suggestion for dogs who want in and are aggressive.


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Wait a minute... are you serious, DB? Just curious.

rubicon 02-15-2017 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1360540)
I'm probably a minority, but I really miss a fenced back yard for my pups (2 small girls) to run in. Had a wrought iron black fences in the back yards of our KC and STL homes. Will not take them to any dog park here anymore because of aggressive dogs in the under 30lb. side; I promised a guy that if his dog made one more attempt toward either of my dogs, I would stop the threat. I guess he saw I meant business when I brought out the expandable 30" steel baton.

I have never met a fence I liked and I have seen developments where they have destroyed the ambiance and beauty of an area. Fences also make for unfriendly neighbors.

rubicon 02-15-2017 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1360387)
As an example, most of the people on my street could be sited for breaking one or more golden rules/deed restrictions. However, I enjoy what I see and would dislike the harmony and creativity of our street disturbed by others/outsiders/those not living near to the situation.

I am just expressing my feelings on this subject as others have expressed theirs. I can’t say if time will change my opinions.

And what if you didn't enjoy or like what you see. I lived in a development that contained all cul de sacs. The color scheme for homes were earth tones no fences allowed all natural barriers. Until one day a guy two blocks over redid his home bright pink.

the neighbors all banded together and forced the guy to go back to a earth tone.

Without deed restrictions I make a wager it wouldn't be long before you find your neighbor has his car in the driveway sitting on blocks.

I went golfing with my neighborsthe other day every single golf cart despite age looked pristine and that reflects on the manner in which they maintain their property. I believe their is a valid correlation

twoplanekid 02-15-2017 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1360531)
I think (I don't know for sure) he might mean Villagers living outside his neighborhood. As an example, a year or so ago a Villager from outside our neighborhood drove all through Tamarind Grove writing down violations and addresses, then emailed them to deed restriction. Someone realized this email would be available via the sunshine law and got a copy of it. The person's name was in the email, and that's how we in TG know that it wasn't even one of our own Villagers.

Not condoning or condemning... just saying this might be what TPK means.

Yes! Thanks for the help in clarifying my thoughts. For neighbors to encourage neighbors to keep things pristine is one thing, to create troubles for everyone is something not desired.

I would encourage a policy by districts whereby only anonymous complaints submitted by same district residents to the accused resident are acted upon.

Bogie Shooter 02-15-2017 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1360497)
Outsiders??

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1360531)
I think (I don't know for sure) he might mean Villagers living outside his neighborhood. As an example, a year or so ago a Villager from outside our neighborhood drove all through Tamarind Grove writing down violations and addresses, then emailed them to deed restriction. Someone realized this email would be available via the sunshine law and got a copy of it. The person's name was in the email, and that's how we in TG know that it wasn't even one of our own Villagers.

Not condoning or condemning... just saying this might be what TPK means.

I still don't consider people not living in my village to be outsiders. Yes, I knew what he was saying.........


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