Obama Health Care Bill-Have you read it?
 

I know most of Congress has not read it. Those that have on both sides of the aisle are putting on the brakes. I will post some bullets from an author that actually read it and summarized it. I will give a link to the summary and a link to H.R. 3200, the actual Health Care bill, so the Obama cheerleaders can verify what their eyes behind those rose colored glasses do not want to see and believe. There are several sites that will give you the same HC bill but some of them will take a long time to load. Take your pick. The partisan hip shooters can fire at will....those who want to take the time to examine the details and debate our difference of perspectives are welcome.

The Bullets:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get- Cabo is relieved that the government will make my decisions....How cool is that.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Cabo will avoid rationing by exercise, staying healthy and stop worrying about Obama health care.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice! - "I will have "no choice?" Cabo thinks my president may have told us a whopper.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise - Cabo thinks we may need a bigger wall.

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer - Cabo asks, "Gee...I wonder why?"

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN). Cabo can only wonder what this cryptic observation can mean.

The full version with the bullets....all four pages.....scary...and worse for doctors and medical professionals is in this link.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...acre-bill.html

For those who need to see the details for themselves. Just close out the two special status windows that appear....an obvious attempt to stop you from reading the actual bill.........just kidding. If you prefer other long loading versions....google and go for it. H.R. 3200

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h3200ih.pdf

I tried hard to be "sans antagonistic negative comments" but I tossed my rose colored glasses a long time ago.

I believe, after much research, that this President has a very definitive idealogy which he WILL follow.

Thank you for some details. The stimulus bill was jammed down our throat as a financial package, and we are finding that the fine print is making it something else again.

Now, this very smart man, is pushing another agenda issue that is in line with ALL of his idealogical thinking ! With this President, READ THE DETAILS and do not allow his pretty words to snow you !

Thanks CABO for the investigation !

Communist Party
 

He has demonstrated most recently he is not familiar with the
 

health care bill....maybe it needs to be posted via TOTUS!!!

He strikes me as having these visions of providing _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ you fill in the blank. In the case of health care reform the legislation is done by good ol' Nancy and herd of bleats. They in turn get parts that they assign to aides who now go absolutely boinkers with their piece. Then comes the put it all together and what do you have? A document select dweebs drafted and only they are familiar. When it comes to pricing it, well now there is an interesting exercise. Just how is anybody able to do so....I say they cannot. Accountability for what and to whom also disjointed because of the piece meal assignation of the parts.

One big collation of 1000 pages of work done by multiple authors who throw in everything they think their bosses are for.

Big $$$$$ values/cost.....10 years to implement.....a document or even the concept unknown except for title among those who will have to vote for it.....a Speaker who is ram rodding because the POTUS said so....a POTUS who is unfamiliar with what the bill contains.....but wants it passed by next week.

If after reading and listening to all of what is being said and what is not being said....even by the Dems themselves....you have not yet contacted your representatives in Washington and threaten to not vote for them in the next election, in fact personally campaign that nobody else votes for them either ....if they support the health care reform bill.

And if you are over 65 and you are in support of the bill you must be independently wealthy (for now) and don't give a :cus: except for party line.
If you are over 65 and you haven't contacted your representative in Washing.....SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't it bother you that you will have benefits reduced?
Your monthly costs will go up?
You and your family will be paying for illegal aliens to get free health care?
(they won't be able to come over the border fast enough if the bill ever got passed with that provision)
If passed how is it controlled? Just the aliens who are here that day? How would they know? No li8mit to how many get in line?

If one just sits and thinks about what has been presented thus far and you are still in favor of the bill, please enlighten me/others WHY? Just what the :cus: are some of us missing.

I know one group we won't hear from and that would be the Obama supporters who reigned on this forum about how great their guy was and what he was gonna do for us. Even if they were against the health care reform, we sure as :cus: won't hear from them.....maybe that is why in general there is not much chatter from Obama supporters about this subject, here and other communication forums.

btk

BTK...right on...the silence is deafening. Conceptually, a big part of the Obama plan is to reduce funding and covered medical services for seniors (Medicare) and front load it for younger citizens and non-citizens, including illegals, who for obvious reasons are less demanding on the funding. It's tough to get old and a real :cus: under Obama. Especially unfair when those same seniors were carrying the financial burden of the system in their working years not anticipating that Obama, Pelosi and Reid would plunder the system to rob them of a medical soft landing in old age they worked so hard for and contributed to.

Well said, and very true.

WAHLLLL..(my best John Wayne drawl) ....thank ya very much partner.:beer3:

Yourrrrr Welcome...Pilgrim :beer3:

Is anyone concerned that a section of the Obama Health Care bill seems to require government access to you personal bank accounts for electronic transfer?

Pg 59: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONHC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Yes, I am.... they are assuming we will not read it.

"Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at: http://fleming.house.gov/ . If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families. "

"President Obama's strategy to pass sweeping health care legislation rested on stealth and speed. The idea was to fill the conversation for months on end with vague talk about expanding coverage, "bending the cost-curve," improving quality, and rooting out waste, without showing the public how the plan would actually work or what it would cost. Legislation, meanwhile, would be composed behind closed doors, and the bills would be introduced as close as possible to when they might come up for a vote to minimize the time in which they could actually be read and thought about by those who would vote on them and those who would live under them. By the time the details emerged, maybe momentum and being "closer than ever before" would be enough to overcome the torrent of objections that were sure to be raised when people got a real look at the nuts and bolts."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...6/764zjvvu.asp

While the above alludes only to the health plan, it is and has been the game plan of the WH as relates to the stimulus bill as well.

This article points out many of the details they always forget to tell you !

The speed in which the administration is trying to push this thru is really bothering me, along with some of the ideas. I don't think something as vast and important as this should try and be done so fast. Don't think anything with such large ramifications can be studied and remedied in a few months.

DK.....great post and super site. I tried to get back into it this evening and there is either a technical malfunction or it aggravated the left so much they sabotaged it. I sent an e-mail to the Congressman and hope to find out what happened.

In any case, his message was so profound and the information on the site so relevent to the issue I hope you consider giving it its own thread.

Thanks.

There are a few good one's left out there I guess. Funny how such an enormously complex issue and one of such enormous importance try's to get rammed through in a few short weeks before it's even read. That should give everyone pause. Except for BO and his radicle conspirators of course.

The only thing I care to add to the proposed Health Care Plan this imbicile of a President wants is that HE is the one who is prejuciced............not the other way around, and secondly........if this passes Congress.....we senior citizens will be put in harms way when we reach 70 and over....no care, no meds, nothing!!

I emailed Senator Nelson about my concerns. What I got back was...well, make up your own mind as to whether this is already a done deal. Here's his response:

Please do not reply to this e-mail. If you need to send another message to Senator Nelson, please use the form on his Web site: http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm#email

Dear Mr. (My Name):

Thank you for contacting me regarding the health care reform process. Anyone who has battled a major illness knows the system is broken, and we can no longer wait to fix it.

The health care industry is massive and complex, and there are a range of ideas on the table for reforming it. Chief among our aims must be to rein in the out-of-control costs of care. This means a new emphasis on wellness and prevention, a recommitment to researching innovative, more effective treatments for diseases, and additional efforts to lower the cost of prescription drugs. I introduced the Medicare Prescription Drug Gap Reduction Act (S.266) to reduce the large gap known as the "doughnut hole" that occurs when Part D beneficiaries who have paid pay $2,700 in prescription expenses receive no further benefit until they have racked up a total of $4,350 in out-of-pocket expenses, despite the fact that they never stop paying premiums.

Equally important is the issue of the uninsured. Nearly 50 million Americans lack adequate health insurance, and that is unacceptable. I am working toward reforms that would make health insurance available to all Americans through an insurance exchange and would provide subsidies to those who cannot afford coverage. I also believe that Americans should never be denied health insurance or charged exorbitant fees because of a pre-existing condition.

Finally, we must ensure that there are enough health care providers in America and that they are adequately reimbursed by Medicare and Medicaid so they can continue providing care to those most in need. I introduced S. 973, the Resident Physician Shortage Reduction Act of 2007, to address this growing problem. This legislation would expand the number of Medicare-supported physician residency training positions, with an emphasis on funding new primary care residency slots. The number of physician residents eligible for reimbursement has not been altered to reflect changing demand since 1996. I have also fought consistently for fair Medicare reimbursement rates.

The task before us is immense, but Americans will rise to the challenge. I will be sure to take your views into consideration as the debate progresses. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future.

Sincerely,
Senator Bill Nelson

P.S. From time to time, I compile electronic news briefs highlighting key issues and hot topics of particular importance to Floridians. If you'd like to receive these e-briefs, visit my Web site and sign up for them at http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/ebriefs.cfm

Hey SteveZ I got the same reply!
 

Dear Mr. ejp52:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the health care reform process. Anyone who has battled a major illness knows the system is broken, and we can no longer wait to fix it.

The health care industry is massive and complex, and there are a range of ideas on the table for reforming it. Chief among our aims must be to rein in the out-of-control costs of care. This means a new emphasis on wellness and prevention, a recommitment to researching innovative, more effective treatments for diseases, and additional efforts to lower the cost of prescription drugs. I introduced the Medicare Prescription Drug Gap Reduction Act (S.266) to reduce the large gap known as the "doughnut hole" that occurs when Part D beneficiaries who have paid pay $2,700 in prescription expenses receive no further benefit until they have racked up a total of $4,350 in out-of-pocket expenses, despite the fact that they never stop paying premiums.

Equally important is the issue of the uninsured. Nearly 50 million Americans lack adequate health insurance, and that is unacceptable. I am working toward reforms that would make health insurance available to all Americans through an insurance exchange and would provide subsidies to those who cannot afford coverage. I also believe that Americans should never be denied health insurance or charged exorbitant fees because of a pre-existing condition.

Finally, we must ensure that there are enough health care providers in America and that they are adequately reimbursed by Medicare and Medicaid so they can continue providing care to those most in need. I introduced S. 973, the Resident Physician Shortage Reduction Act of 2007, to address this growing problem. This legislation would expand the number of Medicare-supported physician residency training positions, with an emphasis on funding new primary care residency slots. The number of physician residents eligible for reimbursement has not been altered to reflect changing demand since 1996. I have also fought consistently for fair Medicare reimbursement rates.

The task before us is immense, but Americans will rise to the challenge. I will be sure to take your views into consideration as the debate progresses. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future.

Sincerely,
Senator Bill Nelson

Boilerplate responses sure make being a Senator easy

Point and click!

Massachusetts Healthcare is a Failure
 

Tonight I heard that there is a 50 day wait to for an appointment to see a specialist. An average city has a 20 day wait. Massachusetts has many doctors and a gigantic deficit.
Ladies and gentlemen....take a good look at Massachusetts. If our mandatory health care spreads to the other 49 states.( or 56 in ObamaWorld) we are going to be in deep doo doo.

The difference between the Massachusetts program and the proposed federal program is that the former started as an experiment and now has a history of results, and the latter will be an experiment with no baseline. What the two programs have in common is they epitomize what happens when theory is turned into practice without prototyping and beta testing. They both devour money.

While they both have noble motives, they have violated all scientific principles for development and fielding any kind of system. Just review any publication dealing with system management and try to find one place where any business logic is being applied.

Chilling email
 

Chilling email I received this morning:


http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiums...lsaXN0U2l6ZT01

Regardless of Party affiliation this is a good thing to hear. Why do I feel much older now ?

:shocked::shocked::shocked: SCARY!!!

I was just diagnosed with maculer degeneration this last year Hope I don't go blind if forced into government health care.

Gnu...first of all I am sorry about your diagnoses. I had, he has passed on, a relative with the dry form of the disease. Hopefully, some progress has been made in the recent past.

But there could be a different way to look at this end of life counseling. A customer of mine told me about her father in law, 85 years old, that has full blown Alzheimer's...recently he had a heart attack. When the paramedics came they asked what were his resuscitation wishes. Unfortunately, he and his wife had written their wishes when they were 45 and never updated them.

The wishes were for full resuscitation...so the paramedics rived him. As of last week he was still in ICU in critical condition. Her husband has contacted a lawyer to see if anything can be done but no...the father was of sound mind when he setup his wishes so nothing can be done. The mother also has Alzheimer's and has the same request for full recuscitation. Perhaps if someone had talked to these people at some point during the last 40 years they might have changed things.

This clause may not be a sinister as you all think.

That is the most morbid thing I've ever heard of. So they checked first to see if they should let him die or not? Yoweeee. Not sure I like this getting old thing. I'll be 50 in a couple weeks.

Actually it is not a bad thing. If someone has a terminal condition or is very old they can declare a no resuscitation order. A friend of mines father was 95 and needed a stint for a block heart artery. In the ER he declined to have the procedure and went out for ice cream. His son came home the next day and they all had dinner then later he collapsed. Because of his wishes they did not resuscitate.

That's weird. Getting old sucks.

On that we can agree......

You two are scaring me.

False Euthanasia Claims.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/

Death Counseling is at best macabre. We have done just
 

fine for our family members, friends and neighbors all these years without having to be counseled by some beurocrat that as we discuss the subject barely knows how to spell some of the words whose objective is not your well being but reporting how much they saved by convincing one to not do something or medicine not to take or what the :cus: ever else they have on their list.

There are no positives in the clause what so ever. A very stupid, ill conceived notion on how to control costs.

Yes things like this scare me also when supposedly intelligent people not only buy into a concept they do not fully understand AND go so far as to promote why it is a good thing.

Why would anybody with lucid mind need to have the government involved in one of the most private aspects of life? What's next birth counseling? That would be just as stupid! Pre birth (intercourse and when) counseling?

Did I mention the stupidity of death counseling?:cus::yuck:barf:censored:

btk:swear:

Hey...womb to tomb. Uncle Sam has been replaced by Big Brother. Now lets all hold hands and sing. ( music in my head)."We are the World, We are the people....."

"For our ruling on this one, there's really no gray area here. McCaughey incorrectly states that the bill would require Medicare patients to have these counseling sessions and she is suggesting that the government is somehow trying to interfere with a very personal decision. And her claim that the sessions would "tell [seniors] how to end their life sooner" is an outright distortion. Rather, the sessions are an option for elderly patients who want to learn more about living wills, health care proxies and other forms of end-of-life planning. McCaughey isn't just wrong, she's spreading a ridiculous falsehood."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...will-be-requi/

I agree:agree: The last few months, days of our loved one's remaining time on this planet should not be filled with someone giving them options.

There is a difference between having a voluntary counseling session to a mandatory continuing-your-coverage-depends-on-attending one. The first one is conducted by government-funded social workers of some kind, the latter is by thugs. If this proviso is in any final bill, it better be crystal-clear which it is, otherwise downstream regulations will be a mess.

The only thing "mandatory" is that it would require Medicare to cover counseling sessions for seniors who want them.
The State of Florida has thousands of attorneys who specialize in elder issues, and this would be a blessing for seniors seeking information.:read:

Your right, and since the bill is not in the final draft (amendments?) it is still something to be concerned about.

What I don't understand is the need for government to provide this type of counseling. There's hundreds of clubs,associations, veterans groups, and this thing called "internet" as a minimum. All the free help in the world is available, and all that it takes is the person getting off their duff, applying minimum effort, and a wealth of information is as the fingertips. One way or another, the person will have to make some kind of effort, even to go to a government-paid counselor.

Medicare was never meant to be "legal insurance," and every non-medical additive just dilutes the moneys available for medical care.

All this provision does is throw money at groups like AARP, ACORN, La Raza and anyone else claiming to be "community helpers" to hire folk as "counselors." Licensed attorneys will not be the counselors, unless they are doing it as a pro bono service through a church group or something similar, and that's happening now without this proviso.

No, methinks this is going to be a "community action funding source." And for what?