I MUST post this....
 

Since before the Iowa caucus, I have been saying what this article says and personally I feel a sense of some relief or something when I read this being published FINALLY in some type of national record.

I dont know how much I can cut and paste here but will try and I am sure if I overdo it, I will be told about it...
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"Why is President Barack Obama in such a hurry to get his socialized medicine bill passed?

Because he and his cunning circle realize some basic truths:

The American people in their unimaginable kindness and trust voted for a pig in a poke in 2008. They wanted so much to believe Barack Obama was somehow better and different from other ultra-leftists that they simply took him on faith.

They ignored his anti-white writings in his books. They ignored his quiet acceptance of hysterical anti-American diatribes by his minister, Jeremiah Wright.

They ignored his refusal to explain years at a time of his life as a student. They ignored his ultra-left record as a "community organizer," Illinois state legislator, and Senator.

The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar. "
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If you read his autobiographies (yes that is plural) there is so much to question and follow up on and when you do, you cannot imagine how this man even got the nomination.
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"Now, the American people are starting to wake up to the truth. Barack Obama is a super likeable super leftist, not a fan of this country, way, way too cozy with the terrorist leaders in the Middle East, way beyond naïveté, all the way into active destruction of our interests and our allies and our future.

The American people have already awakened to the truth that the stimulus bill -- a great idea in theory -- was really an immense bribe to Democrat interest groups, and in no way an effort to help all Americans."

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/0...igured-him-out

The venom still keeps coming out of you. You finally found someone that wrote something you agree with. Am very happy for you. Maybe you wish we have the former president back in, since he was such a savior?? Get Texas to secede, and you can move there and have that leadership again.

As I said during the campaign when all the Obama supporters DID NOT TALK ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS OR PLANS BUT ONLY ABOUT BUSH...I was not a supporter of Bush and was not very excited about McCain, but I did research on Obama and he is making all of my points much more quickly than I expected.

I assume from your comments that you are completely on board with this Presidency and all he has lied about and done....right ?

Those who voted for Obama as an anti Bush thing are simply lazy !

PS: The silence of those who were on here every day excuding passion for Obama during the campaign about what is happening is so loud. Why are you not even speaking of what is actually happening in this country ?

amazing, that the saying about you might not support the war, but you should support our troops, doesn't carry over to you might not agree with the president, but you should support him. No, I don't agree with everything the president has done. But, I didn't see you talking about the Bush lies. your agenda and feelings about Obama are very simple to understand. you can cover it up with all the rhetoric you want to, but the underlying sentiment is as plain as the nose on your face.

WOW...speaking of hate !!

First of all, BUSH IS NOT PRESIDENT ANYMORE, and this board did not exist much during his presidency thus you have absolutely no idea of what I said or may have said about his policies. However, you do feel enlightened enough to make your accusation about me.

My agenda,as you call it, with Obama has nothing to do with race, party, or even his personal character...I HAVE DOWN THAT ROAD AND HAVE THE PMS AND POSTS TO SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE ACCUSATIONS ARE FIRST THING I HEAR.....my objection is to his idealogy which has been evident since he was a young man...the only part race plays in any of this is his OBVIOUS involvement with the Trinity church for 20 years that HAD TO, depsite your protestations, have an influence...although most folks think he simply joined that church for POLITICAL reasons but did embrace the pastor in public as his mentor.

No, you do not know me and I wish you would take your passion that you show in slamming me and making assumptions and come on here and defend what you think needs defending.

I don't know if you attend religious services at all, but I really doubt that your minister, if you do, says everything that agrees with you. To keep up this attack on him about his minister, which Obabma DID come out and say he felt what he said was very wrong, and STEPPED away from his church, is ridiculous. Let it go, man. And, the only way I know you, is from your posts. So if you don't want anyone to disagree with you, you have two choices. One, to change your thinking and opinions, which you won't, and shouldn't do. Or two, to stop posting, which you shouldn't do either. How ironic, that you get upset with me voicing my opinion about your posts and thinking, because in your words, I don't know you. But, you can post anything you want about our President, and his thinking. without you knowing him!!! This seems like a double standard. You can towards someone else, but nobody can towards you??? That's really sad.

Bucco....it does not surprise me that your insightful post would receive an ad hominem attack from the far left. Those who cannot defend the indefensible and the facts that define the truth....attack the messenger. Classic Alinskyesque tactic right out of the Rules for Radicals. To them the truth is "venom". Perhaps someone from the left would like to argue the points in your post instead of attacking the man. Now that would be a fun debate and great mental exercise. Thanks for the courage to post emerging truths.

I am not far left, as you put it. My point is, that is seems ok for people on here to attack Obama, or whoever for what they say and do. But, when someone wants to say something about THEM, by what we see in their posts, then it is an attack. What is the difference? Again, it's a double standard. Also, unless you are in the inner circle, I don't care how much you read, you are still at the will of the press as to what you ACTUALLY know. For people to post on here, and say they know this or that, are tunnel-visioned. If you have thin skin, and can't take when someone disagrees with your post, or sees something in your post that gives them an opinion of you, that's too bad. How do you think YOU get an opinion of a president? By the same way, hearing reports, reading articles, etc etc. So, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Don't expect everyone to agree with the way you think.

Biggest difference for your consideration is this....

President Obama is an elected public official and I am not !

You may disagree with me on anything (many do and have) but to equate a personal attack on me (and by inference my pastor) to vetting and discussing a man who made himself a public person by running for office speaks volumes !

IF you post on a public board, then you are open to criticism. Period. I did not attack your pastor, simply said I doubt if everything YOUR pastor says and does agrees with you. That's human nature. amazing, that you, and Cabo, and many others can throw around all sorts of comments, far left, radical, etc etc. without any consideration of, in your words, KNOWING me, but when it is directed at you, then the story is different. You can have any opinion you want as far as I am concerned, and I have agreed with you at times. this is what we have in this country. But it seems, when people disagree, then you say you are being attacked. No different than when you voice yours, but is that attacking?? In your mind, no, and i don't think so either. Again, if you can't take someone disagreeing, don't post!!

When a new administration takes office in '12 or '16, a new wave of opposition to that administraton will emerge.

Until then things will look this way on forums.

As far as knowing President Obama or any other politician, regardless of party, the person's sales rhetoric (campaign or afterwards) means very little. What does matter are the actions, and they have been punctuated with arrogance and self-importance. That is a pity, because the potential and opportunity for greatness is there, but instead the trend has been to act as as "benevolent dictator" and snob. After all, the Harvard professor had to be in the right, and the blue-collar cop had to have over-reacted! Discounting the racial bias demonstrated, the class-elitism itself is sad.

This is not to say that previous Presidents did not suffer from the same delusions of grandeur. However, most of them were not so blatant in their separation from the common citizenry.

Agree with this, Steve. I was happy at first with what seemed to be Obama listening to all sides, having an open ear. But I definitely have seen the same as in the past leaderships in some cases, with this attitude of this is the plan, and that's the way it is.

Hey Guys!
 

Hey Guys! It's a beautiful day in the Villages!

Get out and have some fun!!

lol

Personal attacks are discouraged here. They are also against the TOS, if I'm not wrong. Any public figure is fair game. Obama is a public figure. Bucco is a member of this forum.


Edit: I am not a moderator nor do I portray one on television or the movies.

Thx for your input on this topic. I am sure they appreciate you sticking up for them.

THEY ?

Are you a member of some elite group that none of us can belong to ?

Listen, I have NEVER EVER NOT ONCE criticized President Obama on a personal level...NOT ONE TIME, and I want you to do a search and check it out.

I HAVE NEVER EVER crticized nor even mentioned his race unless someone else brought it up...NEVER..NOT ONCE.

I have NEVER EVER mentioned his family, his wife or his children.

I have only crticized his idealogy and his training and background RELATIVE to becoming the President of the US !!!

Now, your first words in response to a post which was mostly from a printed article...was...

"The venom still keeps coming out of you."

That was the first thing you said and then you followed it up with this...

"your agenda and feelings about Obama are very simple to understand. you can cover it up with all the rhetoric you want to, but the underlying sentiment is as plain as the nose on your face."

I can only assume you are bringing up race or some other issue that you have and if that is what it is...SAY IT....If I had a problem with that issue I would say it !!!

Please...if you want to support the President, then do it.....we could use somebody to come on here who supports him and tell everyone WHY...
but...

To simply begin by blasting me because I dont agree with your politics is just plain wrong....I have been very consistent since last spring and summer on how I feel. It has not changed. Has your zeal changed any ?

Tell everyone why you support the President....stop simply tearing into those who dont !

Best thing I have seen posted.....:beer3:

You MUST be joking.....You have critized Obama on every level possible.

As the old saying goes..."Me thinks you doth protest too much"

THAT YOU WILL NEED TO SHOW ME !

One post where I criticized him personaly, his family, his children or his race or religion !!!!

Will wait for your response !

Are you saying that your against criticizing a president of the USA? Has any criticism been aimed at the previous president?

Bucco, it looks like your antagonist is attempting to wax poetic ..... although I believe the line was actually, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Whatever. I enjoy a well turned phrase or verse....especially if it used to make a point.

I always liked Kipling. These few lines seem relevent and appropriate at this moment.

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,.......

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! :beer3:

With apologies to Rudyard Kipling.

Keedy.......sometimes YOU scare me. :mademyday:

How many times have you talked about his church? That would be his religion.

Criticizing is one thing....but much of this goes way beyond criticizing.

There are claims he is a socialist, leftist, Muslim, terrorist.....some people believe he isn't an American citizen. The list is endless and constant.

I opposed Bush and his war....I didn't and still don't believe he was elected instead anointed by the Supreme Court. But he was the president for 8 years no matter what I thought. I didn't get on a website every day raging against the President. Was I upset about wire tapping? Yes Torture? Yes. The War. Yes.

Those are selected points.....

Selective points, huh?
There is legitimate reasons to question and be very scared of Obama.
He has never showed his original birth certificate.
He didn't spend his formative years growing up in America so culturally he is not American
He has spent half his life aligned with radical extremists who hate America and has refused to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
He wants to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector...so yes he is a socialist.
He will not listen or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
He has never run a company or met a payroll.
He blames America for everything and delivers this message abroad.

He is the most arrogant and self-important hypocrite I have ever seen as a POTUS and I will beat that drum every day for the next 3 1/2 years until he is replaced by a responsible American.


********* This list is from my own research and my own opinion. It is 100% typed and no cut and paste.

Cologal, you say you dont believe he won the election, in 2000. Every recount done, by both Republicans and Democats, showed Bush to be the winner. Don't forget, also, that the media called Florida for Gore before the polls closed, in the Panhandle. Three polls were conducted by Republicans, Democrats and an Independent poll. They all showed that it cost Bush 10,000 votes. This would have changed the whole picture, not only in Florida, but the rest of the country where the polls had hours to go before closing. I really think there should be a law against exit polling and reporting results until all polls, across the country, have closed.

Republic Machinations & the Fear of Truth
 

"I am not far left, as you put it. My point is, that is seems ok for people on here to attack Obama, or whoever for what they say and do. But, when someone wants to say something about THEM, by what we see in their posts, then it is an attack. What is the difference? Again, it's a double standard. Also, unless you are in the inner circle, I don't care how much you read, you are still at the will of the press as to what you ACTUALLY know. For people to post on here, and say they know this or that, are tunnel-visioned. If you have thin skin, and can't take when someone disagrees with your post, or sees something in your post that gives them an opinion of you, that's too bad. How do you think YOU get an opinion of a president? By the same way, hearing reports, reading articles, etc etc. So, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Don't expect everyone to agree with the way you think. "

Bravo RCT!!

Of course one of the reactionary's best tools is to attack the public official "ad hominem" personally, but then become "personally" offended when one raises the possibility that point.

Sarah Palin is the master at this: Attacks everyone and everything she says she hates, calling them all sorts of ad hominen names: liars, socialists, Marxists,elites, anti-Americans, and anti-Christian (in other words Jews) and then screams when the press don;t kow-tow to her manipulating message.

She then parades her kids everywhere while bragging about their strong family values & then resents when people raise questions about her promiscuous daughter or their two drug/alcohol abusing minors. (I'm not counting Letterman, whose joke about A-Rod, not her daughter, was way over the line of decency.)

Let's face it- a certain fringe group is angry and won't accept Obama's win no matter what. How do you identify them. Simple:

-Obama's not a citizen
-Obama's a Muslim
-Obama's church minister's opinions
-"Socialist"
-America "hater" or "apologist"
-Tea bagging
-Favors regressive Consumption tax, so called "Fair Tax"

If you see any one of these, and I'm sure I left out others, you're bound to find fringe individuals basically parrotting the words of Limbaugh, Coulter, Boortz or other dittoheads. In fact, they're proud to be called "dittoheads"- meaning they have no need to think, just repeat verbatim the lines they hear from the "new" leadership of the Republic/Conservative leadership.

Not that there is ANYONE here that falls into this category. Just thought I'd share my observations.

There are many ways to present ones case.
 

Anecdotal. Paraphrase. Direct quote. Links. Cut and paste. And my favorite....when some one presents researched facts and sources to parry a visceral verbal diatribe.

btk

Of Course, There Are Differing Points Of View...
 

...regarding the President's qualifications, what he's accomplished in the first six months of his administration (some good and some bad IMHO), and even why he is pushing the healthcare bill at such a pace?

Did anyone ever consider that President Obama wanted to get badly-needed legislation passed that had been thoughtfully prepared over several months by his administration? By doing so he would minimize the fiddling with the content by 435 self-serving legislators and thousands more special interest lobbyists trying to get their clients "taken care of" in addition to--or instead of--the American public?

People might say that the 435 are simply doing "the people's work". But any lucid observer might have another differing opinion...that for the most part they serve the moneyed special interests and have had the people's work low on their priority lists for years. For me, I just as soon have a thoughtfully prepared bill that avoids that sort of manipulation by the "electeds", who haven't maintained our trust in years, driven by their wealthy lobbyist backers. Even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it. Pushing for a timely up-or-down vote on a thoughtfully-prepared bill is totally consistent with our Constitution, and in this case smart politics.

Just a slightly different point-of-view.

I thought he let Congress prepare the bill to facilitate the process? Wait a minute.....am I defending Obama? I changed my mind. Yeah....right....what you said. :bowdown:

If the bill is "thoughtfully prepared" but needs our agents' votes to be implemented, doesn't it make sense to open it up for full explanation, understanding and debate? To say, "just vote YEA and trust me" negates the check-and-balance. If the bill is that good, it should not just be something written in the dark and implemented in a rush.

All of our money and lives are going to be affected by this bill, so shouldn't we all understand it first? Anything less indicates the bill contains some surprises that no one wants known until it's too late.

You are a birther....and thank you for making my point.

Sally Jo...I beg to differ about the recount. The Supreme Court halted the recount. And you are right that the exit polls, for the first time, did not mirror the actual count. This only fuels the speculation that some funny business went on. I understand why people in CA want to hold election results from the East and I think they did do a good job this year waiting and releasing by region.

Neither of us can change what happened in 2000...the funny thing to me was many of my Republican friends were raging about how no President that lost the general election but won the Electoral would be legitimate. They sure changed their tune....

How about making a point instead of the usual drive-by baloney.
Also, I forgot to add to my list that Obama is a racist. He proved it by calling an action by a white policeman "Stupidly" Funny...the words that come out of one's own mind when a teleprompter is apparently not working.

Watch Glenn Beck tonight at 5 pm.... he plans to make this point.

The only thing one can do is laugh!

Laughter is good medicine...you should come to forum a few times a day to stay healthy.:jester:

Like I would watch Glen Beck

You wanted a point by point answer:


Originally Posted by Keedy
Selective points, huh?

There is legitimate reasons to question and be very scared of Obama.


He has never showed his original birth certificate.

The State of Hawaii has provided his birth certificate.

He didn't spend his formative years growing up in America so culturally he is not American

This is just BS...he spent most of his fomative years in Hawaii the 50th state

He has spent half his life aligned with radical extremists who hate America and has refused to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

Just more crap.. He served on a board with a former Weatherman. I wouldn't call that aligned.
He wants to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector...so yes he is a socialist.

You have no proof he is a socialist...

He will not listen or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

He met with the Republicans during the stimulus debate accepted some changes and then NOT one Republican voted for the stimulus package.

He has never run a company or met a payroll.

Would you like to talk about W's failed business history.

He blames America for everything and delivers this message abroad.

Just another load of crap.....

He is the most arrogant and self-important hypocrite I have ever seen as a POTUS and I will beat that drum every day for the next 3 1/2 years until he is replaced by a responsible American.

I think I can name at least one other totally arrogant administration in recent history.

And we all know what you mean when you say he isn't an American


********* This list is from my own research and my own opinion. It is 100% typed and no cut and paste