Why has America become so partisan?
 

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.

I think blue lies in the party leaders in-fighting, egotism, and lack of trust for the other side. From there, those very same party leaders stifle the ability for individual representatives to even consider both sides of the argument by threatening their party members if they don't along party lines. They say they will lose support of the party in their re-election bids, will keep them off prestigious committees, and basically treat them as cast-offs, therefore it's these handful of party leaders that are the select, elite few, that drive the partisanship and ultimately what view each side takes.

Look at the Freedom caucus during the GOP healthcare proposal. This is how you CAN fight the party leadership..by banding together to oppose leadership and having enough to actually swing the vote. Party leadership can bully individuals but it's much harder with a group of 20-25.

I think another good example is with the cabinet confirmation hearings which almost entirely went along party lines. McConnell promised Trump he would deliver all of these cabinet posts. Senators McCain, Graham, and Rubio all expressed grave concerns about Tillerson....AND THEY WERE RIGHT. Yet, they all voted with the party and pushed him through into a position he is poorly qualified for, and now we are paying the price that inexperience with the global unrest. Bottom line - individual representative have to start voting their beliefs and conscious and the bullying by party leadership has to stop. Mcconnell and Schemer have to go...Ryan and Pelosi have to go...."draining the swamp" is a good idea, the problem is the it's all cronyism and even DJT is a part of it.

My 26 year 224 613 Project is bi-partisan. At least I have tried to make it that way especially since we have had Presidents of both the Republican and Democrat variety during that time.

My problem is that I do not trust Donald John Trump because of his long history of lying, multiple lawsuits against him, alleged sexual assaults and sexual harassment and the stench of scandal. You bring in the Russians as well and I am running for cover.

We are divided along "work for it" and "everyone is entitled"...gender differences.

I too wonder
 

First of all as we read the posts from the VILLAGES. The average age here is 70. My opinion is the level of education and the level of prosperity is far higher than the national average AND YET LOOK AT SOME OF THE HATEFUL, BIGOTED AND SIMPLY STUPID posts.

I had believed that Obama was the cause having blamed the Republicans for all evil in the world. Having fanned the sparks of racial conflict into forest firers. WE ARE RID OF OBAMA.

I do not know. Did Obama cause this or did he see the cancer and just feed it to his own political gain.

PERHAPS, WE ARE THE PROBLEM. I SEE FEW SOLUTIONS.
WHAT I SEE IS A LOT OF THIRD GRADE CRAP-I DIDN'T DO IT JOHNNY DID OR OK YOU CAUGHT ME BUT JOHNNY.........

I freely admit that I lean republican and that I did not vote for Obama but, I am not lying to you, MORE IMPORTANT I AM NOT LYING TO MYSELF, I would have been proud to admit I was wrong about Obama and that he solved the cancer of racism that has been tearing our country apart.

It is clear, whether his fault or not, Obama has left the job of president with our country, with our world, with our people in far worse place then when he arrived Oh and he left an UNPAID TAB OF 50 TRILLION ON THE DESK for the next president, or more likely for the next several presidents to deal with.

I SUGGEST-WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE.

If we don't change our path...we turn into Mexico II as Hispanics become the absolute majority.

It is not my job to defend trump but
 

Our press is mostly controlled by progressive, liberals.
Trump truly does not get a fair shake. The term is of course undefined so it is in the eye of the beholder.

The FACTS are truly interesting. According to my reading in the late 1960's the major news sources were controlled by 49 companies. Today it is down to 5 four of them are progressive liberal and only FOX leans right. DISNEY owns many of our news sources. There is nothing I can do about that EXCEPT TO MAKE YOU AWARE. The OWNERS will declare they do not control the news BUT, if disney owns your company what is the likely hood that they will run a story or allow you to run a story on say stock manipulation, salaries of management compared to the average worker etc. NEWS-is what you vote on.

Due to the view of our LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLED NEWS SOURCES, we are all aware or RACIST CHARGES.
It is a far fewer number who are aware of TRUMP and Key Largo. Key largo was bought by Trump-cheap. He got it cheap not because he stole it but because it was unwanted. OTHERS DID NOT SEE THE POTENTIAL.
Trump bought it to establish a key club gold resort for the wealthy. You paid a fee to become a member. The fee was high. Trump profited due to people who, people who wanted to prove they had the wealth to belong. The surrounding area wanted TRUMP to make it no Jews and no Blacks to get it licensed. There is sadly a long history of such private clubs excluding Jews, blacks and women for that matter, although i don't think they had asked for that-just jews and blacks. TRUMP, RISKING HIS OWN MONEY, REFUSED. Do you not see a pattern, if your news sources did not think this worth reporting-NO NEED FOR YOU TO KNOW.

As to Trump and lawsuits-once again your source of information doe not think you need to know.

it is true that Trump has been involved in hundreds of lawsuits. From what I've read well over 80% of them involved gambling debts and Vegas law requires it be settled in court.

As to not trusting Trump. TRUTH there are very few people I trust and frankly as I get older people have not changed just that due to experience there are very few people I trust. In most cases, my trust is that I listen to what they have said AND THEN CHECK IT FOR MYSELF.
Do you or did you Trust, Obama, Hillary etc. Hell, I trusted O Reilly and I grew up with Bill Cosby's TV family.

Gerrymandering, no term limits, money in elections, and no need to balance federal budget. IMO

It is all about the green. And keeping it coming.

what I am about to share focuses on Washington but it has application to both state and local level of government to varying degrees.

Let's reach back a bit and first recognize that the people elected and those hired to leadership roles as federal government employees all live in and around the four or five richest counties in the country. They as the comic says "talk among themselves". they have lost touch with real people and only as a matter of self preservation to they venture out to press flesh, sprouting populism etc. in order to gain a vote or support for their program. a greater percentage of this bureaucracy has no idea or really cares what the average joe thinks.

Coupled with this the bell curve as respects liberal conservative, moderate, etc has drastically changed. In my view, perhaps some will disagree the majority on the left have drifted so far left that it is impossible to get consensus. And continuing this same thought process we are divided because of this fact. What we are in a fierce fight over the direction this nation will go.

As it is termed by the hard left, "the new normal vis a vis the right's traditional America."

it is evident that the so called "resistance movement"is being conducted by this radical left fringe and encouraged by democratic leaders who use this resistance to further their self interests.

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I'll go with this one, adding no immigration reform and corporate greed!

No give and take anymore, it my way or the highway. Notice I didn't inject party loyalty or brainwashing into it. All politicians are lair's, just some better at it than others. We will Never change till we get the career politicians (carpetbaggers, by the way most have law degree's which they were trained in how to stretch the truth)) tern limits.

Hey Copuff - I have a corporation does that make me greedy?

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It's only corporate greed if THEY don't get something from the rich. Anyone that is better than them, has to be greedy and evil. The lazy demand that everyone else "share."

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What you have just epitomized, albeit unwittingly I'm sure because I doubt you're smart enough to understand it...is the real reason for the extreme partisanship.

Your bloviating rant, says in essence... "it's all the Dem's/left's fault." :oops:

Totally ignoring the fact that there is a reason that the Repub's EARNED the moniker of "The Party Of NO"...under Bush's reign.

And yet, you must think everyone else is stupid enough to listen to your constant refrain and pseudo-intellectualism, as if just because YOU say it from your soapbox...it must automatically be true. :ohdear:

As someone else mentioned above, the word 'compromise' has become a 4 letter word that no one is willing to embrace...less they be viewed as 'weak' and their constituents hold it against them in the next election.

I think we work best when the WH and both houses of Congress ARE NOT controlled by a single party...regardless of which party.

So let me posit, that a lot of BOTH parties have moved to the extremes of their respective party's positions and true Centrists such as myself...have become less influential.





Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

How does your theory explain the rise of The Tea Party, and Senator McConnell's charge to make Obama a one term President, and the Merrick Garland stall, and Breitbart News, and FOX News, and the Freedom Caucus? Those were not partisan movements from the left, but rather from the far right.

Steve Bannon and his frightening hold on Donald Trump. Hopefully, Ivanka Trump and her husband will push this man out of the Game of Thrones.

Great response. Thanks. I think you may be on to something there. How do we fix those things?

You hate Trump, period!
But, have you realized if Trump did not exist there would be no Ivanka pictures for you to rub one out to...



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You probably have a "real doll" named Ivanka...

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Ignore List still working on Political Forum.

Nice! I can see who posted too but not what they wrote. It silences the jealous insecure trolls on here.

If someone thinks I need to see something. Quote the jerk. Otherwise just ignore the dingleberry. It usually is dirtbag or dingleberry now. Offal seems to be taking a break.

Because it is, in most cases, no longer about America. It is about individuals elected to represent us deciding that we are not important....they are. They want what is best for themselves.

Politics, like welfare, should never be a life career. Both are at the expense of others and should be only temporary.

Not sure how this always gets to a ****ing match
 

RE: being a corporation and greed.
You formed a corporation to either raise capital and or to protect your personal assets.

RE: the lefts criticism of corporations.
Sadly, when you think about what they say, they want to tell others how to spend their money. My view is you have the right to spend your money. DO NOT DARE THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEND MINE.

FOR BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT WINGERS
There is a line on your tax form where you can pay additional tax if you choose to. Ask your accountant. You do not need to take every deduction. OH, SHOULD YOU ASK YOUR ACCOUNTANT HE WILL WONDER ABOUT YOUR SANITY.

Unfair deductions are always the ones that others qualify for and you do not. Fair ones are the ones you get.

For the left's demanding Trumps tax return. AT LEAST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF WHILE YOU SCREAM. DO YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER QUALIFIED TO REVIEW TRUMP'S TAX RETURN THEN ARE THE HIGHEST PEOPLE IN THE IRA THAT ARE SURELY REVIEWING HIS FORMS??????

Oh and for those who do not know-likely most of you. The income tax is the one we always argue about-it is the most hated tax it is about 20% of the tax our government extracts. Fill up your car or golf cart, or lawnmower; roughly 1/3 of what we pay for gasoline is TAX. Look at your cell phone bill about 1/3 is tax. Our government has so many ways to pluck the chicken he/she does not know he is bald-there are other ways to spell that.

Do you not see what you are?
 

System of government is designed to produce opposition that is perhaps, what prevents one group from becoming too powerful. The Tea party. Wow the tea party has been branded by the lefts as being a bunch of racists-the battle charge of the left. As I've posted many times, replying to the charge of being a racist is the same as replying to the charge of do you still beat your wife. The tea party is a group of people that believe in our constitution. Obama, walked all over the constitution and our liberal controlled press said nothing about it. If, you recall, they did SCREAM that Bush and Chaney vastly expanded presidential powers.

Do you believe that the Democrats are working with Trump? Do you believe the Democrats will do anything they can to make Trump a one term president?

The freedom caucus is not closed to African Americans.
The black caucus-you find acceptable.

There are some racist Republicans BUT again as I've posted many times. Obama took 56% of the vote in his first election. Blacks are 13% of the population and 98% of the voted for Obama-YOU DO NOT SEE THAT AS RACIST?
Had the non-black vote been as racist as the black vote Obama would have gotten roughly 28% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. Having received 56% of the vote Obama received roughly 42% of the non-black vote.

Oh and for your pro-democratic view. It was not the Republicans who deliberately tried to cause violence at political rallies. It is not the Republicans to shout down Republican speakers-SADLY TOO OFTEN THE LEFT DOES THIS AND TOO OFTEN THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
In psychology the term is PROJECTION the need to believe others are doing what you are.

I did not have sex with that woman-oops that stain on her dress. I did not accept bribes-oops whitewater-we did get away with it like so much other crap. Travel gate. The Clinton foundation-pay to play. Now that they are not in power. Speech prices are way down. I did not mishandle government e-mails-oops they turned up on a computer belonging to disgrace Weiner and his wife Huma Aberdeen-who has family in saudi arabia AND HAS NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.

The people of America have spoken.

Maybe! Do you take huge tax write offs by hiding profits in off shore bank accounts, or pay yourself 500 times what your employees make, or ship jobs to foreign countries to take advantage of cheap labor, or manipulate stock prices with buy backs from company money so that your stock is more valuable? Is your product necessary to sustain the life of those who use it and knowing this you raise the price by 1700 percent?
If you do any of these things than you may be guilty of corporate greed. If not, then no. And BTW, I'm not Copuff.

OK, just so we keep this in the realm of rational thought, the post to which my post responded was intelligently, if incorrectly, theorizing that all political partisanship in America was caused by those on the left. I simply pointed out, by listing those right wing groups, that some of it also comes from the right. I'm not sure how your rant addresses that issue at all, but maybe you can calmly explain without including Monica's dress and racism, which have nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Great post! You answered the question directly and succinctly, and I say DITTO to that! :agree:

Not exactly. I would assume my accountant took every deduction, or write off, that was available to my corp. I doubt anyone on here would do different. No offshore accounts ever...my understanding is those days are over and have been for about 12 years as the US has economicaly forced countries to report accounts held by US companies.

I pay myself quite a bit more than my employees, but I do not believe it is 500 times more. I do work nights and weekends while they are off and I do have more exposure (risk) than they do.

I do take advantage of cheap labor, on a lot of our out of town projects we hire temporary labor. I thought I was helping both the local unemployed and my guys who want to be away from their families less. Maybe you think it's wrong?

My corporation is not publicly owned, all shares are held by me.

Nobody would want to live without our product, but I can't say it sustained life. Our market would not support 1700 percentage mark up, we can get 600% on some items, a minimum of 300% on most, and we get 80% of all jobs we bid on, so I will assume our market is good with that...

I knew it was not Copuff, she never responds to posts with a ?


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About HALF the the price of just about everything you buy is tax. Each step in the manufacturing process is taxed and that tax is added to the price as it moves up the chain.

And as is constantly pointed out to you, blacks historically vote near 90% for Democrats...but you don't seem to be smart enough to remember that. :oops:

And just like everyone else (including yourself), they vote for those who they believe...will treat them the most fairly.

So next time you try one of your CAPITAL YELLING RANTS...try not to embarrass yourself so much. :ohdear:

And yes...you've just exposed your own racism. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Sorry Rainman, did you say something? I put the trolls on my "ignore" list, so I don't always see the constant babbling and rants against the President and patriotic Americans on the right. Everyone seems to be ignoring you, so unless they quote you (they never do) then I guess I won't see your attempts to troll the forum. :D

Do yourself a favor and learn to read, learn to remain unemotional and lose the confirmation bias. Essentially what I said is that both parties moved ( ie reference to the bell curve). what I said is that the hard left ( ie radical) are creating the problem. It takes two to tango and if your partner ( ie the radical left) refused to dance then what choice(s) are left. I view the issues of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus as internal shifting to the Republican Party and not bipartisan as respects both parties.

You might want to look more objectively a the faction now controlling progressives because they feel hate and they feel it deeply going always for the jugular.

In any event it was certainly a surprise to me that you would attempt a dressing down of my character with your personal attack. You apparently never had an opportunity to a Dale Carnegie or similar program because you are about as subtle as a train wreck :D

And as always I leave the door open to forgive and forget and move forward with a desire for better understanding and respect

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Why bother attempting to reason with the TROLL?

You should read aloud what you posted.

Amazing that someone would say what you typed. You cannot possibly be that self involved.

You are seeing my posts so I am obviously not on your Ignore List.

I sure loved seeing Jennifer Lawrence make that basketball shot in the movie Passengers. Two points to make it 24 to 26. Before that it was 24-24. So so cool. And she was so elated that she made it.

Not as happy as I was when I got that private Facebook message from a lawyer/actress around July of 2016. She is so hot! And she has connections to the Villages. Not an American though.

And I really liked the look a manager at the Old Mill Playhouse gave me yesterday. Went to see "Beauty and the Beast" with a bunch of teenage girls. Really admire Emma Watson and all the hard work she has done for pay equality and other things for women.

What is to like about Donald John Trump and respect for women? He brags about grabbing them by the.... and probably watched some high priced call girls pee on a certain bed slept in by the President of the United States Barack Obama and his wife. Just sounds so much like Trump given his long term hatred of Obama with all the birther garbage. What Is The Donald Trump "Golden Shower" Allegation About? Glad You Asked...

It's FICTION...a MOVIE...it's NOT real. Women NEVER beat men.

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The soapbox bloviator is trying to lecture me about reading, comprehension...and confirmation bias? :oops:

Methinks you need to go back and read your own post again, then read mine...and realize that I simply pegged your rant perfectly. :thumbup:

I'm the one that stated I believe in 'checks and balances' by not putting one party in charge of everything, but all you EVER do is to stand on your soapbox, lecture of the evils of anything to the left of your extreme right positions...and refuse to acknowledge yours and your own party's failings.

That you think soft-pedaling denigrating remarks should give you some kind of brownie points, versus those of us who are simply direct with the truth...is a very good insight into your own insecurities. ;)

While you love to view yourself as a pseudo-intellectual who evaluates both sides...you're simply a blinded Chump Apologist. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

I came to the obvious conclusion quite some time ago...that he IS that self-centered. :oops:

I don't believe he has a clue as to how desperate he comes across to decent, intelligent folks when he stands on his soapbox bloviating...while never being able to support his own position with facts or links.

It's clear that he actually thinks people should believe him...based solely on the fact that he's the one saying it.

That takes a special kind of deafness...and an inability to utilize cognitive thinking. :ohdear:

The fact that he's been caught many times plagiarizing, tells me that he pours over other extreme right-wingnuts material to find nuggets...that he can slightly reword and pass off as his own.

Pretty sad and pathetic...when you think about it.

Tell that to Billy Jean King or the Williams Sisters who could probably beat most male tennis pros. Battle of the Sexes (tennis - Wikipedia)

"TROLL" = That sumbitch that keeps making me look stupid and putting me in my place.

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