Posted by Guest (Post 1417188)

The Congressional Budget Office today said that approximately 22 MILLION AMERICANS will be left without health insurance through the Republican plan from the Senate.

But who in The Villages cares? After all, the 22 MILLION AMERICANS being discussed are Hispanics, AfricanAmerican, or other undetermined races and not White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Republicans. How about you, Rubicon?

Hopefully, the Democratic Senators will stand firm and the 5 or more American Senators will vote NO.

#not my president

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The Congressional Budget Office today said that approximately 22 MILLION AMERICANS will be left without health insurance through the Republican plan from the Senate.

But who in The Villages cares? After all, the 22 MILLION AMERICANS being discussed are Hispanics, AfricanAmerican, or other undetermined races and not White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Republicans. How about you, Rubicon?

Hopefully, the Democratic Senators will stand firm and the 5 or more American Senators will vote NO.

#not my president

Posted by Guest (Post 1417192)

How many millions will be left uninsured when ObamaCare collapses if the Republicans do nothing?

Posted by Guest (Post 1417218)

Again posters on this forum refuse to look at root cause of problem, NO ONE CAN AFFORD MEDICAL CARE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE, MAYBE TAXPAYERS IS PAYING.

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Over ten years! Little point missed.

Now how many more will be covered because they now have good jobs?

How much saved by not giving illegal aliens coverage?

When Trump overhauls the corrupt medical cartels and lobbies we can actually have good medical insurance for all.

Over 10 years Sandy, don't forget to leave out little details!

There will be so much winning over the next 8 years!

Winning!

Posted by Guest (Post 1417220)

Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.

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Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.

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At the end of 4 years, Trump's adjusted unemployment rate will actually be a negative number compared to Obama.

Less on welfare, more employed. Even Tal will have a job.

God bless Trump

Posted by Guest (Post 1417230)

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.



If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!







COPUFF OUTWEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!



40 YEARS SPENT IN HOSPITALS.......

Posted by Guest (Post 1417230)

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.

If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!



COPUFF OUTWEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

40 YEARS SPENT IN HOSPITALS.......

Posted by Guest (Post 1417249)

Very well said. "Can you say EMTALA"

Before Obamacare, hospital ERs were the primary care sites for anyone who walked in (or used an ambulance as a taxi). That really didn't change over the last 8 years, and probably won't change anytime soon.

45 years spent running hospitals. [emoji41]


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Posted by Guest (Post 1417243)

Unfortunately, Tal will probably still be unemployed.

Posted by Guest (Post 1417259)

I have seen with my own eyes people actually using an ambulance as a free taxi. Guess what, they were illegal aliens in a shelter already getting free room and board, but yet "worked" way off the books.


A nyc worker can get fired for asking residency status. Yet Sandy says illegals don't get health care.

THEY GET EVERYTHING!!!

Immigrant Rights and Services : Office of the New York City Comptroller Scott M. Stringer

SANDY, Do you remember, we met in person. You were that extremely nice guy who I thought believed the nyc experiences I talked about. I was that decrepit old 80 guy that cnm refers to. My wife said you were a nice guy too.

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Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.

Posted by Guest (Post 1417265)

I wonder about your first statement above. Isn't it true that prior to the ACA being enacted, that health insurance provided by employers was voluntary? And if true, it seems to me that insurance coverage was less of a problem then. Most employers covered their full-time employees due to competition and the desire to retain workers. Insurance was not as expensive then either. It seems to me with the implementation of the ACA, 2 things occurred. Insurance premiums skyrocketed while overall coverage declined, and employers quit hiring full-time workers to avoid paying the exorbitant rates and to keep their businesses afloat. At least this was my experience working for a small business after the ACA was implemented.

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Very well said. "Can you say EMTALA"

Before Obamacare, hospital ERs were the primary care sites for anyone who walked in (or used an ambulance as a taxi). That really didn't change over the last 8 years, and probably won't change anytime soon.

45 years spent running hospitals. [emoji41]

Posted by Guest (Post 1417274)

If you're an expert...why are you lying (even if it's by omission)?

EMTALA is limited, was meant to stabilize those needing immediate medical attention and does not provide any type of care such as those with cancer, preventive care or scheduled (but needed) surgery. :oops:

Is the emergency system abused at times?

Of course.

Does that mean since it can be abused, then those that need it should be punished also?

Only those who are naturally cold-hearted and have the attitude of "I got mine, screw you"...think so. :ohdear:

I'M sure that it is only the poor, and that they are made up of a disproportionalot number of minorities...has nothing to do with those having your attitude.


Really sad when you think about it. :(

Posted by Guest (Post 1417274)

Really sad when you think about it. :(

Posted by Guest

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.

If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!



COPUFF OUTWEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

40 YEARS SPENT IN HOSPITALS.......

Posted by Guest (Post 1417274)

If you're an expert...why are you lying (even if it's by omission)?



EMTALA is limited, was meant to stabilize those needing immediate medical attention and does not provide any type of care such as those with cancer, preventive care or scheduled (but needed) surgery. :oops:



Is the emergency system abused at times?



Of course.



Does that mean since it can be abused, then those that need it should be punished also?



Only those who are naturally cold-hearted and have the attitude of "I got mine, screw you"...think so. :ohdear:



I'M sure that it is only the poor, and that they are made up of a disproportionalot number of minorities...has nothing to do with those having your attitude.





Really sad when you think about it. :(

Posted by Guest (Post 1417286)

Actually, ER's are NOT all required to treat everyone. They must accept live-threatening conditions only....they can refuse all other patients and refer them to county hospitals

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What an ER MUST accept and WILL accept are two different animals. EMTALA changed the ER landscape.

I refer you to post #25 above where another know it all tried to explain hospital ER reality to me.

Just what is your basis of knowledge in healthcare? MD? RN? Hospital CEO? Just guessing? And if you are an attorney you can just quit now!


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Posted by Guest (Post 1417315)

I am a paramedic/firefighter, and have had patients diverted because they were not life-threatened and not insured .......

Posted by Guest (Post 1417315)

I am a paramedic/firefighter, and have had patients diverted because they were not life-threatened and not insured .......

Posted by Guest

Are you sure it was because of their financial status? And why were you doing a wallet biopsy?

None of my hospitals ever turned an ambulance away, unless they were on diversion resulting from being slammed and unable to take care of the existing patients.


Even when we didn't provide the specific service the patient was expected to require, we had to accept and stabilize the patient. Then we had to find a hospital that provided that service and would accept the patient.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1417331)

Every state has laws that treat ambulance calls differently. I had to divert to county hospitals when a patient said that they were not insured, and their injuries/illnesses were not life threatening. I also had to transport patients FROM hospital ER's that determined that the patients were not insured and they had been stabilized to county hospitals as well.
I am sure, I did it many times.

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I'm sure you did what you felt you were supposed to do, per your protocols.

I've run 2 Level One trauma systems with helicopter programs, and 2 private systems (one with 12 hospitals and one with 15 hospitals). My attorneys for all were rock solid on how we had to deal with patients coming to the ER.

Do you mind stating the general geographic area where you worked?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1417335)

Chicago

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Understood. I had acquaintances in Chicago. It sounded like the Wild West with Cook County always at the OK Corral.

Thank you for your service. First responders, especially those in EMS, are often overlooked.


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Posted by Guest (Post 1417338)

I have since retired, so things may have changed in the past 5 or so years because of the AHA

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We have both retired but somehow I don't think things are that different from when we last worked. [emoji41]


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Posted by Guest (Post 1417334)

I'm sure you did what you felt you were supposed to do, per your protocols.

I've run 2 Level One trauma systems with helicopter programs, and 2 private systems (one with 12 hospitals and one with 15 hospitals). My attorneys for all were rock solid on how we had to deal with patients coming to the ER.

Do you mind stating the general geographic area where you worked?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1417342)

Are you a golfer?