Posted by Guest (Post 1471163)

People with guns kill people. People with knives kill people. People with trucks kill people. People who drive after drinking too much kill people. People with bombs kill people. What is the common denominator here?

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In this case, a gun. Hence the term, gunman.

Not knifeman
Not bombman
Not truckman

Get where
I’m going here ?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471161)

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people ???


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471165)

So last week your thread title would have been "Trucks don’t kill people, people kill people ???"

Posted by Guest (Post 1471164)

In this case, a gun. Hence the term, gunman.

Not knifeman
Not bombman
Not truckman

Get where
I’m going here ?


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Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471167)

Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471168)

No, I don't know where you're going here...I suspect you want to go where everyone blames the gun and not the person behind it.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1471170)

Hey why guess? Use the internet to prove your point...if you have one.

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If you don’t get the point, you’re one dumb :,?)$!


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How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471174)

Once you need to start calling people names you've already lost the argument.. So much for informed rational debate.

Posted by Guest (Post 1471171)

People can’t be controlled, guns can. Don’t you agree ?


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It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471175)

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471178)

It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471180)

Deflection is not an argument.. Once you run out of your talking points is this where the conversation goes?

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I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471194)

Wrong about what? I'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. We all know that gun violence is a problem. To hang your entire argument on guns being the problem is just myopic.

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The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471200)

Hmm.. You want to blame the NRA for other people's actions?



Putting that aside what is your idea of common sense gun laws? In addition to the many laws we already have what would you like to see added?

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What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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Once you need to start calling people names you've already lost the argument.. So much for informed rational debate.

Posted by Guest

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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I'll ask once more. Please articulate your solution to this problem. I'm truly interested. I would love to see gun violence curtailed.

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No I am too wise to agree. The city of Chicago would be the example of how guns can't be controlled. Your wasting your time, the solution has NOTHING to do with gun control. You have to change the culture.

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The NRA funds a lot of safety programs, funds a lot of field target competitions, and works to protect gun owners rights. Do you think those gang bangers in Detroit are members of the NRA..

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What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

Posted by Guest (Post 1471210)

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

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My solution is more doable than yours. As it is, how many large mental institutions still exist. Everyone that needs to be in one is an outpatient on tax funded meds and therapy. We all ready know why people kill other people. An engineered cultural shift will never happen. Confiscation is the only workable solution. Guns make it too easy to kill many in a short period of time. More guns equals more death by gun.


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Posted by Guest (Post 1471187)

I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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Posted by Guest

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

Posted by Guest (Post 1471218)

Want to take a guess as to the amount of killings committed by WHITES...not Hispanics pretending to be white...or negros??? About 10:1...hundreds are killed in Chicago each year and it's not white people doing it.

Outlaw guns and they'll start using more trucks. Killers will find a way to kill.



No...it means the other person is infuriatingly stupid...something you won't find in a real debate. There are no judges here to say WTF are you talking about?



How many will need to die before we realize that minorities shouldn't have guns? 90% of the violence comes from them. THEY are the REAL uneducated...go to a black school and SEE just HOW uneducated that are!



Ban minorities from having guns...it's the ONLY way to cut down on gun violence...up to 90%. Place metal detectors at the entrance to ALL public housing they're not supposed to have guns there anyway. You don't get in without going through security.

But what do we care how many blacks kill each other. You're worried about that 1 in a billion when a white guy flips out.



You CAN'T change the minority culture...they were stupid and violent back home...they'll be stupid and violent here too...and THEY are becoming the majority. America is DOOMED.



Blacks aren't members of anything except black gangs. They don't join clubs. Blacks wouldn't live like us if we all traded places with them. If we took all the white people in the villages and put them in a black inner city...and took the black people from the inner city and put them here in the villages...WHAT do you think would happen? What?

The inner city neighborhood would be cleaned up and the villages would become another black sh!thole.



You want to be a slave wiotte...the ONLY difference between a slave and a citizen is citizens can defend themselves.



The "gun problem" is an inner city minority problem when you look at the big picture. A white guy going nuts and killing a bunch of people is/was rare. Minorities killing people vs whites is 9 to 1. Killings in the inner cities go unreported because nobody cares. How many in Chicago so far this year? Is it a record yet? Those are MINORITIES killing people...9:1.

Blacks are a different species...they are not us...you might start by figuring out WHY a dog is gentle and a wolf is dangerous. Wolves and dogs are similar but a different species...blacks are similar but a different species...up to 1/20th genetically different from EVERY other race.

I'm just the messenger.

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Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group

Posted by Guest (Post 1471250)

First of all, I am not in an argument with you. Secondly, you are the one that is wrong on this subject. You want to disregard common sense, anyplace that has strictest gun laws has the most violent crimes. It is the culture that causes the problem (not the gun, knife, bomb, or truck).
The media over the next few days will inform us of every nuance of the shooter, they will not portray him as a coward, instead they will make him a villain. They will give him more than 15 minutes in the lime light...

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Posted by Guest (Post 1471247)

FREEDOM...is messy wiotte...but I choose it and the risks that go with it...over slavery.

When someone tells you what you can and can't do...it's slavery. ALL governments enslave to a point...the point is to keep it to a minimum...and it's CERTAINLY not to give up your means to defense. What are YOU going to do when 6 n!@@ers breaks into your house? Call the police? I hope you have a panic button... Have you read the news about what they do to old white people? JUST as bad as any story about white people doing things to blacks.

Blacks ARE inferior in almost every way. They are jealous of us and hate us for being so much smarter. They will NOT be kind as minorities become 80% of the population.

Posted by Guest (Post 1471286)

The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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