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dillywho 03-17-2018 11:58 AM

Tiger Tournament
 
I will probably catch all kinds of flak for this, but why is the PGA tournament coverage all about Tiger? As of this morning, when we turned it on, he was in 17th place and they were talking non-stop about him and showing all the shots he has made throughout the tournament and then some. He is not the only player playing. That is why he is in 17th place, not first. Yes, he was/is a great player; so are many of the others. Sorry, but having to watch only Tiger and/or highlights of Tiger simply results in turning the channel and watching something else.:swear:

bagboy 03-17-2018 12:04 PM

Noone wants to tune in and watch Talor Gooch or Curtis Luck. Tiger moves the needle and drives ratings.

Polar Bear 03-17-2018 12:33 PM

I understand why, but it bores me too. I’d rather watch Talor and Curtis.

graciegirl 03-17-2018 01:22 PM

I agree Dilly. Although it does appear that lately he SEEMS more mature and takes the ups and downs of the game more easily. If there was a good example of one who shot himself in the foot it is him.

I hope he is now mature enough not to make any MORE serious life mistakes. I think he has used up enough for several people.

INCOMING.

billethkid 03-17-2018 02:03 PM

He gets way more coverage than his CURRENT (past 5 years) performance dictates/deserves.

Too many spend too much time talking about the 17th place once upon a time great player and do an injustice to the young leaders of the current games.

The media distorts the reality of who Woods was VS who he is realistically today.
They all want to be sure they are there in the unlikely event Woods miraculously reverts back to the player he was of the past.

Unfair to the real champions of TODAY!!!

dillywho 03-17-2018 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1524363)
He gets way more coverage than his CURRENT (past 5 years) performance dictates/deserves.

Too many spend too much time talking about the 17th place once upon a time great player and do an injustice to the young leaders of the current games.

The media distorts the reality of who Woods was VS who he is realistically today.
They all want to be sure they are there in the unlikely event Woods miraculously reverts back to the player he was of the past.

Unfair to the real champions of TODAY!!!

Thank you! That is my point, exactly. Why do we need to see what shots he was making in 2009 with so much new talent out there?

dillywho 03-17-2018 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1524319)
Noone wants to tune in and watch Talor Gooch or Curtis Luck. Tiger moves the needle and drives ratings.

And you know this, how? If everyone gets as tired of seeing every shot Tiger makes or has made over the last decade or so, where are those ratings going to be then? I'm sure we are not the only ones changing the channel.

birdawg 03-17-2018 02:56 PM

It's like television commercials.

Rapscallion St Croix 03-17-2018 03:05 PM

You won't have to contend with this if he keeps swinging as hard as he has been. Knee or back, one will go before the season is over if he doesn't throttle back.

rustyp 03-17-2018 03:18 PM

Last week - announcer #1 "was supposed to rain today but we escaped it". Announcer #2 "anything is possible when Tiger is in contention". Tiger in second last group, TV coverage watch Tiger then go to a flashback of his career. Total disrespect to the leaders.

Fredman 03-17-2018 07:40 PM

I too am sick of seeing and hearing about tiger. They talk about his large gallery but he will never have a gallery as big as Arnie’s was. Never heard Arnie use the f bomb on the course. There are too many good players out there that are better than tiger and deserve their share of coverage.

Biker Dog 03-18-2018 03:34 AM

It's about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ColdNoMore 03-18-2018 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Biker Dog (Post 1524469)
It's about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yep.

Whether the people who want to see less of Tiger like it or not, the networks see a big spike in viewership...when he is in the tournament.

Especially, if he's hanging around on the first page of the leaderboard.

Valspar on NBC is Highest-Rated Non-Major in 5 Years | Golf Channel

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Sunday's final-round coverage on NBC of the Valspar Championship, featuring Tiger Woods' bid for his first win in almost five years, was the highest-rated non-major golf broadcast since the 2013 Players Championship.

Two Bills 03-18-2018 05:20 AM

British TV is same. Last week when Paul Casey won the Tournament, the whole report was about Tiger coming second, and right at the end a short mention that Paul Casey had won.
It's not like our golfers are winning in US every week, more like one a decade these days!
Tiger was the greatest player in his day, and elevated Pro Golf to a new level, but I fear that day has gone, and the young guns rule now.
The Bear is still the greatest!!

rjn5656 03-18-2018 06:41 AM

I enjoy watching him past and present. He puts some exceitement back in golf. When he wasn't playing, I found alternatives to watch. My perspective, but I appreciate those who don't agree.

l2ridehd 03-18-2018 07:30 AM

I quit watching yesterday as well. They covered the leader then Tiger. Leader, Tiger, leader, Tiger, back and forth. They ignored the 10 players in between. Had to see a rerun of Fowler's bogie. He may of spiked the ratings, but he will also tank them if they don't provide more balanced coverage. He is news and deserves a bit more coverage then normal, but they have gone way over the top. I will watch something else.

stan the man 03-18-2018 08:03 AM

According to the announcers every shot that tiger makes was such a hard shot it was either a terrible lie or an impossible up and down it only tiger could have made.

bagboy 03-18-2018 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 1524373)
And you know this, how? If everyone gets as tired of seeing every shot Tiger makes or has made over the last decade or so, where are those ratings going to be then? I'm sure we are not the only ones changing the channel.

Maybe if you would take the time to look at the television ratings recently when Tiger is in contention, you too would know. This is neither a slam or an endorsement of Tiger, it's simply a fact.

billethkid 03-18-2018 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1524519)
Maybe if you would take the time to look at the television ratings recently when Tiger is in contention, you too would know. This is neither a slam or an endorsement of Tiger, it's simply a fact.

I do not endorse that because of broadcast ratings that should affect the FACT that he gets undeserved coverage.

What most of us are fed up with is the constant barrage of Tiger-isms from the announcers and the video clips.....the straw that broke a lot of backs yesterday was when the Arnold Palmer open logos were shown there was an overwhelming circled picture of Woods in the center.....totally and completely out of order....ratings or what ever be the excuse.

Unfair and uncalled for coverage of a second page standing golfer....like it or not.

Chi-Town 03-18-2018 09:58 AM

Stenson, McIlroy, Rose, Hoffman, Fowler, Reed, Woods. Now, there's a leaderboard. An exciting time so close to home.

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ohiosbestus 03-18-2018 10:24 AM

Tiger is making a comeback, he is not there yet! But alas, Tiger has brought so much interest to the game, for both our youth and beyond, that the current players are benefitting from higher purses, to higher attendance at tournaments. He also has brought more money into your communities from the revenue the cities and businesses are receiving from people just coming to watch him play golf. Actually I would put Phil Mickelson in that group also. Give them guys there due.....Remember they are good for the game....Lets look back at Nickalus, Palmer, and Player back in their prime, they were just as popular with the media.....I repeat they are good for the game. These guys have brought many people into the game as amateurs, who play the game today generating massive amounts of revenue to our cities and states. I am sure there would not be 40 plus golf courses here in the villages today if it weren't for these guys influence, maybe nearly not as many homes and places of entertainment that make the villages a great place to visit and live. I just wanted to say that is how I started , as a child I grew up about 3 miles from where Jack Nickalus grew up and became such a dominant figure in the golf world, and we know today how much children's charities have benefitted from that foundation..... Enough said on my part.

Polar Bear 03-18-2018 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1524519)
...if you would take the time to look at the television ratings recently when Tiger in contention...

For lots of viewers, character still matters. Those fans watch in spite of the bloated Tiger coverage, not because of it.

ColdNoMore 03-18-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1524541)
For lots of viewers, character still matters. Those fans watch in spite of the bloated Tiger coverage, not because of it.

"Character still matters?"


:1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-18-2018 03:14 PM

Taylor Gooch being in contention or even winning his first PGA tour event is just another week on the tour. Henrik Stenson leading an event or even winning is not a story.

Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest golfer who ever lived, making a comeback from personal problems and four back surgeries after not playing for 18 months and being in contention is the biggest sports story in the world this week.

If you go to the tournament, take a look at where the crowds are. I went on Thursday and if you wanted to get a look at Tiger, you needed to get three holes ahead and wait. Close to half the gallery was following him in the morning. In the afternoon, the same amount of people were following the group with McIlroy and Fowler. The only people following Taylor Gooch and Alex Noren were their friends and family.

The television networks put the players on that people want to watch. The viewership goes way up when Tiger plays. He is THE STORY.

golf2140 03-18-2018 03:37 PM

I turned it off

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-18-2018 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by golf2140 (Post 1524640)
I turned it off

That's certainly your perogative, but more people are going to watch because Tiger has a chance to win than people who are going to turn it off because they show him too much.

By the way, he just birdied the 13th hole to get to one behind. Stenson looks like he's struggling. History could be made.

If Tiger wins this tournament it's possibly the greatest comeback in the history of sports.

But if you don't want to watch it doesn't bother me.

Rapscallion St Croix 03-18-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1524643)
That's certainly your perogative, but more people are going to watch because Tiger has a chance to win than people who are going to turn it off because they show him too much.

By the way, he just birdied the 13th hole to get to one behind. Stenson looks like he's struggling. History could be made.

If Tiger wins this tournament it's possibly the greatest comeback in the history of sports.

But if you don't want to watch it doesn't bother me.

Not going to happen. Tiger just channeled Phil with a "hold my beer and watch this" OB tee shot. As for greatest comebacks, I'll attribute that to Ben Hogan.

600th Photo Sq 03-18-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1524332)
I understand why, but it bores me too. I’d rather watch Talor and Curtis.

I'd rather watch paint dry

Fredman 03-18-2018 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1524643)
That's certainly your perogative, but more people are going to watch because Tiger has a chance to win than people who are going to turn it off because they show him too much.

By the way, he just birdied the 13th hole to get to one behind. Stenson looks like he's struggling. History could be made.

If Tiger wins this tournament it's possibly the greatest comeback in the history of sports.

But if you don't want to watch it doesn't bother me.

You have drunk too much Tiger cool aide. I prefer an Arnie Palmer.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-18-2018 05:42 PM

What a great torunament. Rory McIlroy wins by shooting 64 and making birdies on five of the last six holes.

Bryson DeChambeau was in it until the last hole. Stenson struggled, Justin Rose came close, but the cream rose to the top. This is what makes for a great PGA Tour event. Several of the best players in the world battling it out to the finish.

Tiger shot himself in the foot with a ball OB on 16 but still gave us a lot of thrills. The way that Rory finished it wouldn't have mattered. Tiger will win again eventually. He's still the biggest draw in professional golf. Like all of the greatest, he'll have his haters. Nothing anyone can do about that.

As for me, I enjoy seeing history being made. Tiger has made plenty and it's likely that he'll make more.

graciegirl 03-18-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1524679)
What a great torunament. Rory McIlroy wins by shooting 64 and making birdies on five of the last six holes.

Bryson DeChambeau was in it until the last hole. Stenson struggled, Justin Rose came close, but the cream rose to the top. This is what makes for a great PGA Tour event. Several of the best players in the world battling it out to the finish.

Tiger shot himself in the foot with a ball OB on 16 but still gave us a lot of thrills. The way that Rory finished it wouldn't have mattered. Tiger will win again eventually. He's still the biggest draw in professional golf. Like all of the greatest, he'll have his haters. Nothing anyone can do about that.

As for me, I enjoy seeing history being made. Tiger has made plenty and it's likely that he'll make more.

People who are not his fans like they used to be have good reason. He made choice after choice that did not put him in a class of character with people like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. Skill is only one part of being a champion. One thing that soured many on him was his inability to keep his wheels on when he made a mistake. I see that changing. Most people are willing to leave the past in the past, but people don't dislike someone like him for NO reason. He gave us plenty of reasons to be disenchanted.

Fredman 03-18-2018 07:08 PM

I am willing to bet that if woods had won the tournament we would have seen the trophy presentation because they are so in love with that low life

JoMar 03-18-2018 07:10 PM

What I find interesting it the Tiger haters are on the opposite side of the competitors, the players that understand how much he brought to the game, how he introduced youth to the game, how charities have benefited from him being in the game, how he raised the purses of the tournaments, how the legends, Nicklaus and Palmer and Player have continued to praise what he has brought to the game. I wonder how many of the haters have a favorite football team, or basketball team that continually overlook the women beaters, the disrespect to our veterans the drunk driving stops (never a real conviction). Do they turn off their favorite team. If character matters then no professional sport should be watched, no governing body should be respected but........the haters will find both justification and rationalization why it's ok to watch their favorite sport but continue to hate Tiger. Based on the turnout and ratings, the haters are in the minority....and that's the way it should be.

Fredman 03-18-2018 07:56 PM

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-18-2018 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1524691)
People who are not his fans like they used to be have good reason. He made choice after choice that did not put him in a class of character with people like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. Skill is only one part of being a champion. One thing that soured many on him was his inability to keep his wheels on when he made a mistake. I see that changing. Most people are willing to leave the past in the past, but people don't dislike someone like him for NO reason. He gave us plenty of reasons to be disenchanted.

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"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."

“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

"The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him"

"Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone."

"For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."
The guy has made some mistakes, no doubt, but he has also done a lot of good for the world and the game of golf. He has brought thousands to the game including young people and minorities. He has established several charities that help many people.

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justjim 03-18-2018 09:09 PM

My thinking too
 
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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1524398)
You won't have to contend with this if he keeps swinging as hard as he has been. Knee or back, one will go before the season is over if he doesn't throttle back.

:22yikes: strange but exactly my thinking too. He is going to self-destruct attempting to swing as hard and fast as he did 10 years ago. With his short game there is no need but his ego won’t let him dial back.

billethkid 03-18-2018 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1524694)
I am willing to bet that if woods had won the tournament we would have seen the trophy presentation because they are so in love with that low life

he networks low spot skipping the presentation.

And yes you are right. If Woods had won it would have been covered.

What I don't understand, accept or buy into....all the hype...he is the greatest....wow after every shot....and even when he is not on page one of the leaderboard they still dwell on him....and not those who are leading the pack.

Short changing the current leading of talent to cover a so called popular one from the past? Is not right. And we all know right or wrong is a moving target of convenience these days.

To each his own.

JoMar 03-18-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1524709)
I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

You might want to do some research before making an assumption that Woods hasn't done anything to benefit kids and other charities through his foundation. As I said before, fortunately haters are in the minority, supporters like most golfers and Arnie, Jack and Phil know what he did for the game and the charitable work. He may never be what he once was but still does things the other golfers can't do. He brings money into the game, increases the gate which increases the donations to the sponsored charities, raises viewership. Hate if you wish, but you are in the minority.

Polar Bear 03-18-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1524734)
You might want to do some research before making an assumption that Woods hasn't done anything to benefit kids and other charities through his foundation. As I said before, fortunately haters are in the minority, supporters like most golfers and Arnie, Jack and Phil know what he did for the game and the charitable work. He may never be what he once was but still does things the other golfers can't do. He brings money into the game, increases the gate which increases the donations to the sponsored charities, raises viewership. Hate if you wish, but you are in the minority.

Hate is your word. Haters are likely in the minority.

But if you equate throwing a bit of his megafortune at his foundation with the personal involvement, fan-friendliness, and simple character that Arnie, Phil, Jack and many other golf greats have displayed, don't be so sure you are in the majority.

dillywho 03-19-2018 01:26 AM

It's Not Tiger
 
I know I started this thread and I see that what I was trying to convey did not quite get there. My problem is not with Tiger, but the media. Tournament coverage in 2018 should not be devoted solely to one player and every shot, good bad or indifferent, that he makes or has ever made. Why show his shots from 2009 instead of the top competitors in the current tournament? I don't care which player gets undue coverage. I was watching golf when the other greats were playing and every shot they made was not fawned over like they do Tiger when he is in ANY tournament, and sometimes when he isn't even play or fails to make the cut. To me, it is a disservice to all, including Tiger.


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