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lauralouwho 03-19-2018 10:05 PM

Opinions on tipping
 
My granddaughter is a server and has mentioned to me several times that many dont tip appropriately. By appropriately I mean 18% -20% for good service. I'm aware that money doesn't grow on trees and eating out can be expensive but servers are people too and have bills to pay. Many severs have the job they do because it's flexible and allows them to pursue other opportunities. If you don't value them as people or the job they have chosen, then why do you go out? And what constitutes good or poor service to you?

manaboutown 03-19-2018 10:09 PM

15% is a normal appropriate tip, not 18-20%. When I was young in the 1960s it was 10%.

mixsonci 03-20-2018 01:31 AM

In the 60's, gas was .25 and movies were about .50 so what's your point. Costs on everything have gone up since we were young including tipping.

Mrs. Robinson 03-20-2018 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lauralouwho (Post 1524985)
My granddaughter is a server and has mentioned to me several times that many dont tip appropriately. By appropriately I mean 18% -20% for good service. I'm aware that money doesn't grow on trees and eating out can be expensive but servers are people too and have bills to pay. Many severs have the job they do because it's flexible and allows them to pursue other opportunities. If you don't value them as people or the job they have chosen, then why do you go out? And what constitutes good or poor service to you?

Tipping has nothing to do with valuing serving staff as people, but it definitely has to do with the job they are doing.
Tipping also has nothing to do with why people go out to eat and I find that question offensive.

A person's tip is a direct reflection of good or poor service.
It has to do not only with service and but the method with which the service is delivered.
Perhaps your granddaughter doesn't know the difference.

I'm sure you love your granddaughter very much, but do you really know what kind of service she gives to her customers?
My guess is no.
You couldn't possibly know -- mainly because of your relationship.

Cisco Kid 03-20-2018 03:50 AM

I only tip if they bring my DOGS water. :a20:

karostay 03-20-2018 06:36 AM

sales tax x 2 ='s tip good service add accordingly

graciegirl 03-20-2018 08:16 AM

It is my opinion that servers in The Villages are some of the best I have encountered in my life. Many, like those who work at Cane Garden have worked here for many years and are treasures to frequent customers.

I think people who serve The Villages population must have the patience of Job. I very much appreciate our servers here. Hard to find one not deserving of a good tip.

Miles42 03-20-2018 08:55 AM

Tipping percentages are slowly getting out of hand. Perhaps servers should go to their employers or get a different job. 20 per cent now soon will be thirty. It will get to the point there will be no one left to serve.

mark47 03-20-2018 08:55 AM

my son is a server. He doesn't keep the entire tip. He has to tip out the bartender, hostess, busboy etc. He keeps about 66% of a tip

Polar Bear 03-20-2018 09:00 AM

Wow. I tip pretty well, but of course based on service.

But as one or two others have said, I think think the server EXPECTING a certain percentage is inappropriate, and to question why people go out based upon how they perceive their servers?? You are showing a strong bias based upon your family relationship imo.

Henryk 03-20-2018 09:12 AM

I usually tip 15-20% depending on service. Sometimes more for really good service. You have to be pretty bad for me to go lower than 15%. And I tip on service, not food nor drink quality (unless, of course, I'm sitting at the bar). I love to go out to eat, and any excuse to do so will do. :)

billethkid 03-20-2018 09:22 AM

Good service = good tip....amount is function thereof.

Servers and their expectation have zero to do with where or why we dine.

Poor service should be acknowledged as well with amount of tip reduced accordingly. Fortunately does not happen very often.

Yes I believe they EARN the amount they get!!

LuckyS 03-20-2018 09:34 AM

In my opinion the whole tipping system is flawed.

If I order a steak that costs $20 and tip 20% = $4.00. Tomorrow I go to the same restaurant and receive the exact same service but order a $30 steak why should the tip be $6.00?

Let the bashing commence

Rapscallion St Croix 03-20-2018 09:49 AM

I want efficiency. I want accuracy. I want to be asked if I need a refill on my beverage. Too many servers think that being friendly and engaging is the key to earning a tip. I don't want to exchange pleasantries. Don't call me "honey" or "sweetie" unless you want me to call you "Sugar Tits". Good service should be the norm and should get one's standard minimum gratuity...mine is 15% for good service...more if the server impresses me.

2newyorkers 03-20-2018 10:03 AM

I also feel that tipping has partly to do with geography. I am from Long Island. This past summer, on tabs where they give you a breakdown of the tips, I have seen 18%, 20%, 22% and 25%. The first time I saw this I was surprised. My friends in the mid west tip at 15%. And of course in Australia and New Zealand they do not tip at all.

graciegirl 03-20-2018 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1525097)
I want efficiency. I want accuracy. I want to be asked if I need a refill on my beverage. Too many servers think that being friendly and engaging is the key to earning a tip. I don't want to exchange pleasantries. Don't call me "honey" or "sweetie" unless you want me to call you "Sugar Tits". Good service should be the norm and should get one's standard minimum gratuity...mine is 15% for good service...more if the server impresses me.

Raps. You wouldn't call them that, would you? Will all my heroes fall?

Nancy@Pinellas 03-20-2018 11:06 AM

I always tip for good service. When my cold appetizer comes after my main course or my drink takes ep minutes... it’s usually the servers fault. They shouldn’t be rewarded for poor service. I still tip, but not as high.

champion6 03-20-2018 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mark47 (Post 1525073)
My son is a server. He doesn't keep the entire tip. He has to tip out the bartender, hostess, busboy etc. He keeps about 66% of a tip.

I'm curious about the "etc." Specifically, does part to the tip go to the cooks?

Steve9930 03-20-2018 11:41 AM

Good to Adequate service, 20%, exceptional service 25 to 35 %, poor service 10%, really poor service $1. Automatically put the tip on the bill, well you get what you ask for......... Holidays and good service you might be pleasantly surprised. Never tip on the tax, just the food bill.

dave042 03-20-2018 11:50 AM

Having lived and worked overseas most my life, I really don't like to US system of dining and tipping. This passes part of the servers' wages to the customer's responsibility. I'm not comfortable supplementing employees pay who don't work for me. The restaurant should pay a living wage to the servers and if the service was good or exceptional then tip $1 or $2. This is what is done all over the world. The server would be happy, the employees would be happy, and the customers would be happy.

justjim 03-20-2018 12:14 PM

USA tipping
 
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Originally Posted by dave042 (Post 1525128)
Having lived and worked overseas most my life, I really don't like to US system of dining and tipping. This passes part of the servers' wages to the customer's responsibility. I'm not comfortable supplementing employees pay who don't work for me. The restaurant should pay a living wage to the servers and if the service was good or exceptional then tip $1 or $2. This is what is done all over the world. The server would be happy, the employees would be happy, and the customers would be happy.

“When in Rome.......”. :ho:

justjim 03-20-2018 12:27 PM

Servers in many restaurants also serve as “Bus boys”. I also have observed that in some cases a server will have more tables during busy times than he/she can adequately serve. Sometimes employees call in sick and this causes stress on the Servers that are there. It goes without saying that the restaurant business is a “tough” business. Something would have to go very badly for me not to tip 20%.

DonH57 03-20-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1525044)
It is my opinion that servers in The Villages are some of the best I have encountered in my life. Many, like those who work at Cane Garden have worked here for many years and are treasures to frequent customers.

I think people who serve The Villages population must have the patience of Job. I very much appreciate our servers here. Hard to find one not deserving of a good tip.

I agree most servers here in the villages are decent. Sure you will find a bad one now and then. I do have to say of everywhere I've lived the customer base in the villages is one of the most rudest to servers. I've witnessed some of the most nastiest comments or actions of patrons and wonder how the servers deal with it every day.

dave042 03-20-2018 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1525135)
“When in Rome.......”. :ho:

Was just there a few months ago. 15% tip was not the expectation. :beer3:

arrivederci

NYGUY 03-20-2018 01:46 PM

Great service, 25% - 30%

Good service, 20%

Poor service, 10%

graciegirl 03-20-2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dave042 (Post 1525128)
Having lived and worked overseas most my life, I really don't like to US system of dining and tipping. This passes part of the servers' wages to the customer's responsibility. I'm not comfortable supplementing employees pay who don't work for me. The restaurant should pay a living wage to the servers and if the service was good or exceptional then tip $1 or $2. This is what is done all over the world. The server would be happy, the employees would be happy, and the customers would be happy.

Dave. ....! THAT ISN'T HOW IT WORKS HERE.

mark47 03-20-2018 03:12 PM

No Cooks make more than $2.00 per hour

Polar Bear 03-20-2018 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NYGUY (Post 1525153)
Great service, 25% - 30%

Good service, 20%

Poor service, 10%

Reasonable.The only change for me is...

Poor service, 0-10%, depending on how poor. :)

Rapscallion St Croix 03-20-2018 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1525111)
Raps. You wouldn't call them that, would you? Will all my heroes fall?

Naw...just an empty threat.

CFrance 03-20-2018 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2newyorkers (Post 1525103)
I also feel that tipping has partly to do with geography. I am from Long Island. This past summer, on tabs where they give you a breakdown of the tips, I have seen 18%, 20%, 22% and 25%. The first time I saw this I was surprised. My friends in the mid west tip at 15%. And of course in Australia and New Zealand they do not tip at all.

In Australia (and maybe New Zealand?) their wage is a lot higher than it is in the US. Apples to Oranges.

I thought 20% was now the norm in the US.

CFrance 03-20-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1525171)
Dave. ....! THAT ISN'T HOW IT WORKS HERE.

That doesn't mean we have a better system, or that it shouldn't change.

In many countries, serving is a profession. They are paid well, they have longevity in their profession, and they build a rapport with their customers. It's a full-time job.

Young people who are trying to supplement their college expenses or serve while trying to break into another profession, like acting, go do other things.

The customer wins.

jimbo2012 03-20-2018 04:37 PM

15-20 is fine, if I pay by credit card I always do the tip in cash.

It’s..us 03-20-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dave042 (Post 1525128)
Having lived and worked overseas most my life, I really don't like to US system of dining and tipping. This passes part of the servers' wages to the customer's responsibility. I'm not comfortable supplementing employees pay who don't work for me. The restaurant should pay a living wage to the servers and if the service was good or exceptional then tip $1 or $2. This is what is done all over the world. The server would be happy, the employees would be happy, and the customers would be happy.

:bigbow:

You are correct in this and it works quite well. I also don’t like the system here and feel it is not good for anyone. I would rather the staff paid a decent wage and pay the difference in the meal. It makes more sense for everybody. If the wait staff is excellent that an additional dollar or two tip is earned for doing a good job. Paying staff almost slave wages then ridiculing or ‘expecting’ diverse people to tip? And tip is not even the correct word is full of major faults. How it ever caught on and keeps going is mind boggling, so many things that mess it up beyond the obvious ones. I think the system around the world mentioned by you is far, better in every way.

CFrance 03-20-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by It’s..us (Post 1525221)
:bigbow:

You are correct in this and it works quite well. I also don’t like the system here and feel it is not good for anyone. I would rather the staff paid a decent wage and pay the difference in the meal. It makes more sense for everybody. If the wait staff is excellent that an additional dollar or two tip is earned for doing a good job. Paying staff almost slave wages then ridiculing or ‘expecting’ diverse people to tip? And tip is not even the correct word is full of major faults. How it ever caught on and keeps going is mind boggling, so many things that mess it up beyond the obvious ones. I think the system around the world mentioned by you is far, better in every way.

:icon_hungry::agree: Not every way we do something is the best way. And nothing says certain things can't be changed.

npwalters 03-20-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mixsonci (Post 1524996)
In the 60's, gas was .25 and movies were about .50 so what's your point. Costs on everything have gone up since we were young including tipping.

15% of X amount is still 15%. The percentage takes into account the difference in cost between to 60s and now.

npwalters 03-20-2018 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyS (Post 1525090)
In my opinion the whole tipping system is flawed.

If I order a steak that costs $20 and tip 20% = $4.00. Tomorrow I go to the same restaurant and receive the exact same service but order a $30 steak why should the tip be $6.00?

Let the bashing commence

Agree 100%. That is why I tend to under tip in expensive restaurants and over tip at the Waffle House.

Chi-Town 03-20-2018 07:29 PM

One should tip on the total bill less tax. Total bill includes coupons and drink specials discounts added . 20% for good service.

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graciegirl 03-20-2018 08:43 PM

I think the biggest difference between wise and smart is that one is more realistic than the other. We cannot fix everything and we cannot have everything we want. We were not born equal, but we were all born valuable. People who work, can work, and can choose to not take public assistance are good people, valuable people, people who if they live on tips, need us to value them by tipping fairly.

Right now, we have tipping. So tip kindly and fairly. Honor those who stand on their feet all day to serve us.

Wiotte 03-20-2018 09:14 PM

I don’t tip, my wife does, so she does all the tipping.


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Carl in Tampa 03-20-2018 09:52 PM

Logic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyS (Post 1525090)
In my opinion the whole tipping system is flawed.

If I order a steak that costs $20 and tip 20% = $4.00. Tomorrow I go to the same restaurant and receive the exact same service but order a $30 steak why should the tip be $6.00?

Let the bashing commence

By that logic, if the restaurant has a $10 steak on the menu, you could tip $2.00 when you order the $30 steak.


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