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graciegirl 09-23-2018 08:33 AM

Pedophiles do live in The Villages.
 
The other site reports them when they move in and shows their picture. There are probably other people who are previously convicted of bad stuff who live here too.

There is nothing we can do to keep them out or make them leave. Their rights are protected. Only kids under nineteen can be excluded. They can only visit here a total of 30 days in a year.

I really believe that we have an awful lot of good people who have never been in trouble with the law, and have always paid their bills and taken care of their responsibilities who live here. But I was born optimistic and went to a retreat once where they said it was best to try to find good in situations and people. Every once in awhile I remember to do that. Most of the time I jump to conclusions.

Bucco 09-23-2018 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583957)
The other site reports them when they move in and shows their picture. There are probably other people who are previously convicted of bad stuff who live here too.

There is nothing we can do to keep them out or make them leave. Their rights are protected. Only kids under nineteen can be excluded. They can only visit here a total of 30 days in a year.

I really believe that we have an awful lot of good people who have never been in trouble with the law, and have always paid their bills and taken care of their responsibilities who live here. But I was born optimistic and went to a retreat once where they said it was best to try to find good in situations and people. Every once in awhile I remember to do that. Most of the time I jump to conclusions.

Curious the purpose of this thread ???

graciegirl 09-23-2018 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1583958)
Curious the purpose of this thread ???

The purpose of this thread is to focus on the reality that both good and bad people live here. Young people can be good or bad. Old people can be good or bad and middle aged people can be good or bad. This is an age restricted community but some bad people live here. But mostly good people live here. I was making the point that we need to realize that this place cannot keep bad or good people out.

Gpsma 09-23-2018 08:59 AM

Thank you for sharing that. It is very meaningful.

Chi-Town 09-23-2018 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583957)
The other site reports them when they move in and shows their picture. There are probably other people who are previously convicted of bad stuff who live here too.

There is nothing we can do to keep them out or make them leave. Their rights are protected. Only kids under nineteen can be excluded. They can only visit here a total of 30 days in a year.

I really believe that we have an awful lot of good people who have never been in trouble with the law, and have always paid their bills and taken care of their responsibilities who live here. But I was born optimistic and went to a retreat once where they said it was best to try to find good in situations and people. Every once in awhile I remember to do that. Most of the time I jump to conclusions.

Since you brought it up..... what would you do or how would you feel if a pedophile moved next door to you?

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graciegirl 09-23-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1583960)
Thank you for sharing that. It is very meaningful.

Awwwwwww.

graciegirl 09-23-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1583962)
Since you brought it up..... what would you do or how would you feel if a pedophile moved next door to you?

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You first.

njbchbum 09-23-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1583962)
Since you brought it up..... what would you do or how would you feel if a pedophile moved next door to you?

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Probably be as wary of them as was done for others when they moved into the neighborhood and would be done when new neighbors move in in the future...all while hoping to find the good in the situation and the new neighbor! Kind of the same way I felt when the home for recovering women [with their children] moved four doors away from my up North home! Was so happy to find out that they are a great bunch of women finding out that they are stronger than they knew!

lorilorilori 09-23-2018 09:15 AM

I would have no problem cause the truth behind all this media hype against sex crimes
is to overshadow the drug problem. Murderers, rapist, embezzlers, bank robbers and
DRUG DEALERS are not on the "LIST." The public is being DUPED into thinking the "LIST"
is important for public safety over a DRUG DEALERS LIST (which doesn't exist).

Thanks to the likes of John Walsh, Chris Hansen and Lauren and Ron Book - they have
made millions off the registry - while Drug Dealers are free to roam the schools and
neighborhoods killing people, turning girls into the street trade of prostitution etc.

Sex offenders have the lowest rate of recividism. Drug dealers the highest.
A murderer or animal abuser can live next to you - and you would not know it.
Cause the "List" is a smoke screen cause the govt isn't willing to take on the
drug trade openly and in the same manner as the "list."

BK001 09-23-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1583962)
Since you brought it up..... what would you do or how would you feel if a pedophile moved next door to you?

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At 67 years old, I'm probably safer living next to a pedophile than a non-pedophile. (Not trying to make a joke although it is a good basis for one). But pedophilia is a sickness and, if given the choice, I prefer having healthy neighbors over sickos.

thetruth 09-23-2018 09:23 AM

Sadly some people get insane on issues
 
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1583958)
Curious the purpose of this thread ???

We've had zealots post names of all registered gun owners. Sex offenders is also out there.

NOT AMUSING AT THE TIME.

I had a joint with my WIFE band CD seized by CPS CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES for child support for the kid of some lady in North Carolina.

THE TRUTH IS I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THIS LADY IS OR WAS.

A call to CPS and the zealot on the other end of the phone suggested I fax her a copy of my social secuity number.
My reply was my fax number is YOU FAX ME YOURS AND I WILL FAX YOU MINE.

My bank was about as helpful they wanted to charge me $100 PLUS for THEIR ATTY FEES.

IN THE END, IT WAS A BANK ERROR. I INSISTED ON AN APOLOGY LETTER FROM CPS SIGNED BY THE-I LOOKED UP THE NAME OF THE BRANCH MANAGER AND THE BANK PRESIDENT. REASON BOTH SPITE AND THE FASCT THAT IF THEIR CLAIM WAS REPORTED MY REPUTATION WOULD HAVE BEEN DAMAGED.

A friend was involved a a nasty divorce. I of course only got one side BUT, his wife ACCUSED him of sexually toucching his daughter. The young girl was brought to CPS for interviews and INSPECTION. A GOOD INTENTIONED ORGANIZATION- I HAVE NO DOUBT. Did this interview and inspection damage this young girl? OF COURSE IT DID.

graciegirl 09-23-2018 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thetruth (Post 1583975)
We've had zealots post names of all registered gun owners. Sex offenders is also out there.

NOT AMUSING AT THE TIME.

I had a joint with my WIFE band CD seized by CPS CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES for child support for the kid of some lady in North Carolina.

THE TRUTH IS I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THIS LADY IS OR WAS.

A call to CPS and the zealot on the other end of the phone suggested I fax her a copy of my social secuity number.
My reply was my fax number is YOU FAX ME YOURS AND I WILL FAX YOU MINE.

My bank was about as helpful they wanted to charge me $100 PLUS for THEIR ATTY FEES.

IN THE END, IT WAS A BANK ERROR. I INSISTED ON AN APOLOGY LETTER FROM CPS SIGNED BY THE-I LOOKED UP THE NAME OF THE BRANCH MANAGER AND THE BANK PRESIDENT. REASON BOTH SPITE AND THE FASCT THAT IF THEIR CLAIM WAS REPORTED MY REPUTATION WOULD HAVE BEEN DAMAGED.

A friend was involved a a nasty divorce. I of course only got one side BUT, his wife ACCUSED him of sexually toucching his daughter. The young girl was brought to CPS for interviews and INSPECTION. A GOOD INTENTIONED ORGANIZATION- I HAVE NO DOUBT. Did this interview and inspection damage this young girl? OF COURSE IT DID.

I can't understand this.

BK001 09-23-2018 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1583970)
Probably be as wary of them as was done for others when they moved into the neighborhood and would be done when new neighbors move in in the future...all while hoping to find the good in the situation and the new neighbor! Kind of the same way I felt when the home for recovering women [with their children] moved four doors away from my up North home! Was so happy to find out that they are a great bunch of women finding out that they are stronger than they knew!

You sound like a very nice person.

charmed59 09-23-2018 09:27 AM

If you want to know if there is a someone who has to register as a sexual offender or predator in your neighborhood, the website is:

FDLE - Sexual Offender and Predator System

manaboutown 09-23-2018 09:30 AM

There are several types of chronophilias. Pedophilia is only one. Nepiophilia and ephebophilia are others. Unless their grandchildren visit frequently most Villagers might have more cause for concern if a person having gerontophilia or possibly mesophilia moved into their neighborhood.

Chi-Town 09-23-2018 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583964)
You first.

C'mon GG, it's your thread. You have grandchildren visiting, so how would pool time feel with a pedophile next door.

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EdFNJ 09-23-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583976)
I can't understand this.


But you must admit ... it's "THETRUTH" ! :D

EdFNJ 09-23-2018 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1583958)
Curious the purpose of this thread ???


Keep up the post count ??? ;) :D

BK001 09-23-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1583979)
There are several types of chronophilias. Pedophilia is only one. Nepiophilia and ephebophilia are others. Unless their grandchildren visit frequently most Villagers might have more cause for concern if a person having gerontophilia or possibly mesophilia moved into their neighborhood.

From Wikipedia:

1. Chronophilia - sexual attraction limited to individuals of particular age ranges

2. Pedohebephilia - sexual attraction to children from infancy through prepubescence, ages birth-10

2.a. Infantophilia - sexual attraction to infants, toddlers and children, ages birth-4

2.b. Pedophilia - sexual attraction to prepubescent children, ages 5–10

3. Nepiophilia is a sub-type of pedophilia where the sexual preference is for children aged 0 to 3 years old.

4. Hebephilia - sexual attraction of an older adolescent or adult to pubescent children, ages 11–14

5. Ephebophilia - sexual attraction of an older adolescent or adult to pubescent children, ages 15–19

6. Teleiophilia - sexual attraction to adults

7. Mesophilia - sexual attraction to middle-aged adults

8. Gerontophilia - sexual attraction to elderly adults

Kenswing 09-23-2018 10:01 AM

I guess I'm a Teleiophiliac. Do I need to register?

fw102807 09-23-2018 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1583999)
I guess I'm a Teleiophiliac. Do I need to register?

Only with Abby

manaboutown 09-23-2018 10:02 AM

What are chronophilias?

Bucco 09-23-2018 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1583987)
Keep up the post count ??? ;) :D

Do not want to believe that.

I just wonder WHO does not know this is a LARGE, HUGE place....has more in common with a "normal" city than a retirement community.

As a result we have a mix of people........I have posted often about the need to label everyone or make the constant STEREOTYPE threads and posts. I do not understand it at all.

I simply question the motive to keep on bringing up other people either from the news, or folks complying with the law and registering as a sex offender.

I make friends easy and with no judgement except on what they say or do......never knew that was a bad thing.

Taltarzac725 09-23-2018 10:14 AM

You should look at the individual in cases like this. There are some badly drafted laws involved with these sexual crimes registration lists. And there are people as one poster wrote that use accusations of sexual assault as weapons in divorce, probate and any other case where $$$ in involved.

Try to find out what that neighbor is on a list like this.

I had a client while in law school who was the first man to be convicted of raping his wife in the state of Minnesota. A real scumbag IMHO and the other prisoners at that particular Minnesota Correctional Facility seemed to think they same from their interactions with the man when I was in that prison interviewing this man. The judge actually chewed me out for just representing this man as so many MN women seemed to really hate this man. You take what cases come in when a law student. You do not get a choice on whom you represent.

But I can see some nefarious lawyer bringing up a false rape charge in a bad divorce case. I looked at my client's file and it was anything but made up. Lots of physical evidence against him. It was a very violent rape, in other words.

Some of the forty or so prisoners I, or one of my law students, represented were good people who just made bad decisions. I can see some 19 year old falling in love with a 17 year old and that man being prosecuted if the parents in question had problems with their kids' dating of some kind. In some states if this 19 year old were convicted of Statutory Rape he might be on a sexual offender list. Mapped: Sex offender registry laws on statutory rape, public urination, and prostitution.

CFrance 09-23-2018 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583976)
I can't understand this.

Me neither. How could a bank error end up in CPS. What is a "joint with my wife band CD"?


Very confusing.

Chi-Town 09-23-2018 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1583958)
Curious the purpose of this thread ???

Perhaps the reason for this Sunday morning thread is that it was from a church sermon the OP attended. Lawdy lawdy. [emoji41]


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npwalters 09-23-2018 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lorilorilori (Post 1583971)
I would have no problem cause the truth behind all this media hype against sex crimes
is to overshadow the drug problem. Murderers, rapist, embezzlers, bank robbers and
DRUG DEALERS are not on the "LIST." The public is being DUPED into thinking the "LIST"
is important for public safety over a DRUG DEALERS LIST (which doesn't exist).

Thanks to the likes of John Walsh, Chris Hansen and Lauren and Ron Book - they have
made millions off the registry - while Drug Dealers are free to roam the schools and
neighborhoods killing people, turning girls into the street trade of prostitution etc.

Sex offenders have the lowest rate of recividism. Drug dealers the highest.
A murderer or animal abuser can live next to you - and you would not know it.
Cause the "List" is a smoke screen cause the govt isn't willing to take on the
drug trade openly and in the same manner as the "list."

While what you say is true ….it is not relevant. Sex offenders will probably repeat the act again in their lifetime since it is a "sickness" as someone else pointed out (documented and the cause of "special treatment for sex offenders). Drug users (and other criminals) usually harm themselves and not others. Yes, I know they also commit crime to pay for the drugs, etc.


When a sex offender commits the crime a second time a child
is preyed on and their life is forever changed. The risk is too great for me to feel comfortable near a registered offender when my grandkids are around.

npwalters 09-23-2018 10:59 AM

BTW, I do think there needs to be a distinction made in determining who must register - forever - as a sex offender. Say a 18 YO boy that had consensual sex with a 14 yo girl should be treated differently than a male adult that preyed on a 8 YO girl.


Before you get your panties in a wad......not saying either is right; just that one is significantly more heinous. My opinion for what it's worth.

graciegirl 09-23-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1583987)
Keep up the post count ??? ;) :D

I have just finished a book by the famous mystery writer Jonathan Kellerman who is also a child psychologist who practiced for many years at the best known hospital in LA...I can't think of it...Cedars Sinai? This book is not fiction but he is writing on whether there really are kids who cannot change from their path to harm others. This is a sort of textbook, and it was written more than ten years ago, but it does discuss I think the first school shooting. He seems to think that some people cannot be changed, or rehabilitated and that there is only one path for the innocent people and it is to keep these kids locked up. He of course being a very fair and intelligent person does not make "blanket" statements like I just did, and he discusses many forms of mental illness and of course many mentally ill people CAN and are helped with therapy and medication, but some cannot be helped he thinks. I have been thinking so too. As a college student back in the 60's we were schooled in "behavioral modification" and "redirection" and "positive self image". Now I think that most of us are stuck with the personality we are born with and really can't be altered too much in any direction.

Just thinking and Musing. Here is the book;

I am no Adler or Freud. Just an old lady musing.

Chatbrat 09-23-2018 12:05 PM

One good thing about Florida gun owners don't have to be registered--this isn't, NY, NJ, Mass. , ct and Ca.-- second amendment rights are protected here

Chi-Town 09-23-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BK001 (Post 1583972)
At 67 years old, I'm probably safer living next to a pedophile than a non-pedophile. (Not trying to make a joke although it is a good basis for one). But pedophilia is a sickness and, if given the choice, I prefer having healthy neighbors over sickos.

From what I gather pedophilia is a sickness without a cure. Sad for all.

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NotGolfer 09-23-2018 12:45 PM

Not from 1st hand knowlege BUT from what I've read...most sex offenders are good friends of a family or a family member. Having someone as a neighbor---might not be as offensive. Perhaps the incident(s) occurred in the distant past---ie. the 19 yr old with a 17 yr old or a falsely accused. I think this is a complicated matter that needs to be addressed as a case by case thing. There are worse things I'm going to be concerned of, rather than the "what if's" of who moves in the neighborhood.

Bucco 09-23-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1584054)
One good thing about Florida gun owners don't have to be registered--this isn't, NY, NJ, Mass. , ct and Ca.-- second amendment rights are protected here

I never realized that those diagnosed as a pedophile were gun toting people.

Have to read up on that. That makes this quite complex.

So don't take your grand kids to GUN WORLD ?

Bucco 09-23-2018 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583959)
The purpose of this thread is to focus on the reality that both good and bad people live here. Young people can be good or bad. Old people can be good or bad and middle aged people can be good or bad. This is an age restricted community but some bad people live here. But mostly good people live here. I was making the point that we need to realize that this place cannot keep bad or good people out.

"I was making the point that we need to realize that this place cannot keep bad or good people out."

To this point you made as the general idea of your thread, I can think of very few places, including seminaries where this can be done. Even prisons have innocent people contained, so best just not to judge.

I moved here many years ago......much smaller population....fewer of everything....guess what......we had bad people then drinking and driving, etc. I always thought that good people far outweigh the bad people....bad people are louder maybe :)

BobnBev 09-23-2018 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1583957)
The other site reports them when they move in and shows their picture. There are probably other people who are previously convicted of bad stuff who live here too.

There is nothing we can do to keep them out or make them leave. Their rights are protected. Only kids under nineteen can be excluded. They can only visit here a total of 30 days in a year.

I really believe that we have an awful lot of good people who have never been in trouble with the law, and have always paid their bills and taken care of their responsibilities who live here. But I was born optimistic and went to a retreat once where they said it was best to try to find good in situations and people. Every once in awhile I remember to do that. Most of the time I jump to conclusions.

Jumping to conclusions is an Olympic sport in TV.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Kenswing 09-23-2018 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1584087)
Jumping to conclusions is an Olympic sport in TV.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

At least everyone is getting their exercise.. lol

PennBF 09-23-2018 02:37 PM

Few Considerations
 
It is an acceptable conclusion within the Psychological Field that there is no cure for a Pedophile or a Psychopath or Sociopath. (The difference in the last 2 is one is more genetic and the other more envioremental.) Thus you have life time registrations for Pedophile's. Take some time to think as to where is a good place for Pedophile's to hide. In a high percentage of cases the child impacted by a Pedophile attack will be harmed for life. It is a terrible attack on a child and maybe the Pedophile should be removed from society. :ohdear:

lorilorilori 09-23-2018 03:55 PM

From what I gather pedophilia is a sickness without a cure. Sad for all.

"It is an acceptable conclusion within the Psychological Field that there is no cure for a Pedophile or a Psychopath or Sociopath."

Drug companies have a pill for every "cure" to make $$$ and
Psychos say "no cure" to keep the money rolling in.

dillywho 09-23-2018 04:04 PM

The Law
 
The law on sex offenses is much too broad and vague. Case in point:

A young man in Texas got his girlfriend pregnant. He was 18, she was 16. By law, he was an adult and she was a minor. Her mother had a fit when the girl told her she was pregnant, filed charges on the guy, and tried to rescind the charges once she calmed down. Nothing doing. Not retractable according to Texas law. Until the law is changed, nothing can be done about it. He is labeled a pedophile.

Now he is a registered sex offender. He and the girl married, had their baby, had more children, and are still married. Saddest part is that he cannot be alone with minors, including his own children.

My point is that not all pedophiles or sex offenders are created equal. As for living next door to someone with a sex offense record, it might or might not be a comfortable situation. I would definitely have no problem living next door to that Texas couple.

graciegirl 09-23-2018 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 1584127)
The law on sex offenses is much too broad and vague. Case in point:

A young man in Texas got his girlfriend pregnant. He was 18, she was 16. By law, he was an adult and she was a minor. Her mother had a fit when the girl told her she was pregnant, filed charges on the guy, and tried to rescind the charges once she calmed down. Nothing doing. Not retractable according to Texas law. Until the law is changed, nothing can be done about it. He is labeled a pedophile.

Now he is a registered sex offender. He and the girl married, had their baby, had more children, and are still married. Saddest part is that he cannot be alone with minors, including his own children.

My point is that not all pedophiles or sex offenders are created equal. As for living next door to someone with a sex offense record, it might or might not be a comfortable situation. I would definitely have no problem living next door to that Texas couple.

I always agree with you Dilly. It seems that the term "sex offense" is heard very often these days. I hope that what is normal and good doesn't get all misconstrued because of terminology. A man can ruin a woman's life because of a sex offense against her and a woman can ruin a man's life from accusing a man of a sex offense that didn't happen.

Who can we trust? I really like woman and think they should be believed. I really like men and think they should be believed. The men in my world have been kind and good and healthy fellows who are honest, ditto the women. Some are not. No. Some are not.


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