What do you think about Country Club Hills Story
 

This story has come up twice recently in the unmentionable online news and it irritates me.

"An in depth look at court files reveal rising tensions between an 82-year-old Villager, who is barred from his home in The Village of Country Club Hills, and his 41-year-old daughter, who is living in the home with her 8-year-old son."

I was under the impression that children under the age of 19 were not allowed to live here. This child is 8 and yet no one has moved to remove him or his mother from TV. If he is allowed to stay living in TV this opens the flood gates to anyone else who wants to test the limits of our residency rules.

I am not sure if you are looking for someone to post something compassionate or a logical reason why the child is still living there.

I am simply interested in what people think about an 8 yr old child living in an age restricted area. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for compassion, the only person I have compassion for is the elderly man involved, it would appear to me that he needs someone to help him deal with this daughter and this miserable situation.

Rules are rules...…..and should be enforced.

Thank you .. that was all I was looking for when I posted.

I sent this story to some friends who have adult children with substance abuse problems. I titled my email “How to lose your home to your druggie adult child”.

I really feel for this man.

So do I which is why I have interest in this. I hope there is someone giving him advice, and that he is taking it, because she is going to wipe him out.

I feel sorry for an 82 year old man banned from his own house. I also feel for a young child stuck in a bad situation.

The Villages is responsible for enforcing the residency rule. This guy needs a lawyer.

I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than what the Other Site reported. They only reported what would generate a lot of "clicks".

With the very limited information that we have available all we can do is offer an opinion or reaction.

Yes the rules are the rules...very easy to quote when a violation is witnessed....obeyed and enforced no differently than stop signs or speed limits.

I would need to know more before offering an opinion.
This does not infer that I am supporting an exception.

I for one am very supportive of TV laws/rules/guidelines being much, more strictly enforced.

I agree.....that "publication" does stir the pot quite a lot! That said though...this man needs some help just from being on the outside, looking in. ALSO, have heard there's other kids living here as well---the neighbor's need to step up and report this as it is againest the rules. We've all signed the papers when we moved here---so let's enforce them.

I agree with all of you. I think this man needs a lawyer and I rarely say that. Usually they only add expense to a mess. I think it is possible the daughter has lied to get a restraining order. That is just a guess. I feel sorry for him.

People can SAY anything, whether we can believe them is another issue.

The Villages can only give fines. They cannot evict anyone, as far as I know/

Update;....a number to call; quoted from the online news;

Having a child under the age of 19 permanently living in a home in The Villages is a violation of an internal deed restriction overseen by the Developer.
District officials noted The Villages’ point person for the enforcement of internal deed restrictions involving children is Martin Dzuro, who may be reached at (352) 753-6260.

I believe that they'd have to go to court to have the people evicted and then the police would come and remove them.

I think that this is the case with any kind of eviction. A landlord or homeowner does not have the power to evict. They must go to court and get a ruling.

I wonder how the daughter feels about her 82 year old father being barred from his own house?

I think it is wrong for the court to issue a restraining order that results in a man being barred from living in his own house, when the daughter has no right to live there. I have to think that the judge is at fault and should have arranged for a better solution between the parties.

Is it a good idea to raise an 8 YO in TV? Are there other kids to play with, sports teams, dance, karate, music, etc?

It doesn't matter, it is not allowed. I doubt if ANYONE in this situation has given much thought to this kid. All that has happened is being absorbed by the child for sure. Actions speak louder than words. Not very good lessons for a little one, I don't think.

Actually I think the judge may have based his/her decision with the child’s immediate welfare as the highest priority. The judge did not want to throw the poor child out onto the street. Long term housing is of course another matter.

My hope is the man gets to move back into his home and the mother and child move out of TV.

As I understand it since The Villages management is not a governmental entity it does not have police powers. It will be interesting to see what steps are taken and how the law is invoked to achieve a lasting result.

If The Villages wants to have a rule that prohibits children from living here, then they also need to have a process to enforce the rule. Otherwise, what is the point? Apparently, this 8 year old has lived in The Villages his entire life. I guess the neighbors and the school he attends were both complicit in allowing his mother to violate the rules.

The rule isn't something The Villages made up or imposed.

The rule come from HUD and the deed restrictions imposed on an age restricted community. We have lived here for more than ten years and that rule has been effectively followed. I bet it will be in this situation as well.

This is a very interesting thread. I now (and I assume thousands more) always thought anyone under 19 years could not live in TV for more than 30 days per year based upon a signed contract law. Now we know of at least three kids living/going to school here and most importantly it appears to be not against any law. So let’s see, if you put an 8 inch white cross or a pink flamingo in your front yard and don’t remove it you can be fined $250 per week or month..... very interesting in deed

Yeah, right! Don't you mean soon to be ex-friends?

Exactly.

The friends are Kennedy's and they were like Ah, big deal.

Having the Grandfather on the outside looking in is just unbelievable. I feel bad that the child is in a stressful situation like this. There can be no winner at this point. I wonder why no one ever reported the child? Where is the child's father? Isn't there another answer to this problem than Grandad on the street?

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. I would never call on them even though they were breaking the rules, I'm not Barney Fife.

Quite to the contrary, they were grateful to get the link as they have nightmare alky/druggie worthless felon adult children who try to squeeze everything they can from their parents who attend Al-Anon meetings regularly and work their programs.

I think there is a lot more to this story than what has been posted. We call all speculate like:
1. Is the grandfather mentally competent?
2. If the daughter does not own this house, how did she get him evicted?

I think there must be some extenuating circumstances and hopefully this will be resolved. I don't think it's healthy for an 8 year old to be living in TV not to mention, it's against the rules.

As I understand it the rule does not come from HUD. HOPA allows rules concerning children living in 55 and over communities.

The second paragraph in the summary explains. Housing for Older Persons Act - Wikipedia

How long have you lived in The Villages?

Ah my friends, the voice of reason and compassions. :bigbow:

Please cite the wording of this regulation and the statute.

Please tell us your defense of having an eight year old living in an age restricted community in a home that does not belong to his parent and whose parent does not have permission to live in it?

This sounds like a lets stir the pot story. Not her house, Dad gets evicted How is that possible? Child living there long term with no complaints ? Really. Find all of this quite strange.

I don't think the dad was evicted, but he was issued a restraining order to stay away from the daughter. So, since the daughter is living in the house, he cannot go there.

I don’t defend it. I think it’s bad. I just want to know where you got the impression that it is a HUD rule. I would like to read it, not hear an opinion.

Housing for Older Persons Act - Wikipedia
https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

Best I can do.

HUD doesn't prevent children under 18 from living in a 55+ community. HUD makes an exception to the fair housing laws that allows a developer to exclude children under 18 from living in a 55+ community.

It's the deed covenants the don't allow children under 18 from living in The Villages. HUD just makes this covenant enforceable.

This is what HUD has to say on this topic:

HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)

This ins't the actual laws or regulations involved... good luck reading those:), it's just HUD's summary of them.

I've been told that a school bus regularly picks up and drops off young children in the Historical area.
If neighbors don't complain, nothing is done about young children living in The Villages
(and that applies to all villages, not just the Historical area).