U.S. Military and UFO's
 

Hypersonic Speeds. (poke here)



Could it simply be super-secret military projects, where the 'skunk-works' portion of the military...doesn't tell other military branches?

Or is there really something to...a significant number of these sightings?

Giving more credence to these reports, compared to those coming from Joe Public, is that a lot of them are coming from military pilots...who are highly trained observers. :shrug:



The truth is out there. :popcorn:

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Brings back thoughts of "Area51" in Nevada.

We are not the only country with such a place and during the early sixties, such sightings were the subject of much talk, some of which has been explained (U2, etc.)

The Week. "Taking UFOs seriously. Why the Pentagon is urging pilots to report ...
 

...their close encounters."

This is the cover story for the June 14, 2019 issue of The Week.

Area 51 is where the U.S. military tests new equipment that needs to be top secret until what ever it is, is brought into use. There are spy's out there.

There are a few paragraphs to this cover story.

Mainly it covers the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Does cover what Cold No More wrote about as OP and a 2004 incident off the USS Nimitz which was buzzed by high speed objects. Could be glitches in the radar system or very advanced drones according to the paragraphs.

Also mentions we should not be closed minded about aliens being out there.


I do not, frankly, see why they would want anything to do with us.

Aliens might be out there but the chances that they have visited us is essentially zero. The distances that would need to be traversed are extreme.

Some civilizations may have discovered much faster ways of travel as well as ways to use things Albert Einstein and/or others have written about with respect to wormholes in space. The Future of Space Travel: Fusion Engines, Warp Drives, and Wormholes - YouTube

What Is Wormhole Theory? | Space

Yes, that is why I used the term "essentially zero". However, I am pretty sure if a civilization was to develop sufficient technology to traverse the extreme distances they would not be showing up in "flying saucers". Occam's Razor is at work here.

or, maybe they ARE us. Maybe "aliens" are the cause of the evolutionary mutations from Neanderthal to homo sapiens sapiens.

I had thought that as well as have various screen writers and sci-fi authors.

But would push this further back to what caused any life to arrive on earth.

List of oldest stars - Wikipedia

Earth's Sun: Facts About the Sun's Age, Size and History | Space

While I am open minded, I really discount aliens from other planets.

Look, if other countries can "hack" into various places within our country, we should not be so naive about abilities o surveil this country, and to not acknowledge that is really a weakness.

The UFO fervor in late fifties and early sixties, which "it appears" had lot to do with our country testing spy planes like the U2, allowed for the same kind of talk. We cannot believe that others in this world are not as smart or sophisticated as we...it just is not so.

The warnings we have gotten over the past few years about the capabilities of others seem to be falling on deaf ears, and it shouldn't. It is being done to us, and we simply mock those who tell us that.

Lots of scientists believe in alien life like Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking's Most Intriguing Quotes on Aliens, Women and the Future of Humanity

We're 'Well On Our Way' to Discovering Alien Life, NASA Chief Says | Space

Pretty naive to think humans are the only special species in the universe, which we know virtually .9% of the universe. Just cause you read books, studied and pass test don’t make the authority on stuff we know little about. These incidents has nothing to do with Hollywood movies.

Probably the biggest cover up was Roswell incident. It don’t take months to clean up weather balloon That came down.

We humans, seem to have an infinite capacity...for arrogance/ignorance.

Those really are about the only reasons that can explain, the idea/conviction that we are the only intelligent beings in the entire universe...or that there aren't ways to travel faster than the speed of light.

Those reasons, and of course...religion(s) also.


:shrug:

Although intelligent life is likely rare in the universe it is surely out there. As the earth’s sun is recent compared to many stars other civilizations may have had many millions of years to evolve ahead of us.

Two of the smartest men I know have privately told they were certain they had observed ufos. One had seen a lone one moving about his airplane then flying off. The other saw a group at a distance. The LEO who checked out the Roswell area landing spot observed physical affects to the environment.

For those so inclined it is not too late to get to Roswell’s annual UFO festival. For those not into UFOs while I was growing up in NM the prettiest young ladies in HS and college came from Roswell. No joke. Must be something in the water down there. 2019 UFO Festival – Official UFO Festival Roswell Website

That's funny. I don't doubt that we are not the only life in the universe. Suggesting that we have been visited is faith based, as opposed to science based, thinking.

That sort of thinking is devoid of the distance and technology required to traverse the distances involved. Believe what you will but at least acknowledge that it is faith based and not science based.

Yes my statements are based on faith, faith in science, its proofs, discoveries, analyses and applications and faith in mathematics, statistics in the instant case.

As far as distance and technology goes I seriously doubt the human beings of even 10,000 years ago, who were just as smart or smarter than we are today, could imagine automobiles, refrigeration, appendectomies and other common aspects of life today much less smart phones, airplanes and our recent start in developing space travel via rockets akin to the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk and their aircraft. The sky is no longer the limit!

The closest star is over 4 light years away. I believe the nearest habitable planet we are currently aware of is about 12 light years away. Traveling that distance in a reasonable amount of time is much different than building a car. Poor analogy on your part. Given the enormous distances in the universe, the chances that an advanced civilization capable of near light speed travel would come here is remote. Assuming that the creation of wormholes is even possible, you need to ask yourself why would a civilization capable of such technology choose to come here out of all of the possible galaxies? Again, Occam's Razor is at play when considering the origin of UFOs.

I agree that when limited to light speed the chances of alien visitation is remote. However if we had another million or hundred million years during which to evolve and advance we might be able to get around that. After all primitive humans could only travel as fast as they could run. I shall stick with my analogies which I consider valid.

Whatever. Advanced civilizations capable of near light speed travel, or somehow warping space, are not going to be visiting us in metal flying saucers. You still made a bad analogy.

How do you know they are flying saucers? And that they are metal?

Exactly what do you think has been reported over the years? The technology required for extended space travel will almost certainly not look like anything that can be imagined or reported. What point are you actually trying to make?

My point is that science likely advances over time in every intelligent life civilization. Perhaps they will have learned to navigate the space-time continuum in some fashion so that the speed of light is not a hindrance or a limit. After all some forms of intelligent life may have been in existence for hundreds of millions of years or more. Gravity Probe B - Special & General Relativity Questions and Answers

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Who knows what alien ships look like? But they are probably up there at some time or another. I expect if they have been an advanced civilization for millions of years they have kept tabs on more primitive civilizations and seeing how they evolve on their own.

Thank God for that.
All these years I have been worried about a Klingon invasion.
I will sleep better tonight! :icon_wink:

You are trying to morph the thread into a discussion about whether technology advances with time. Yes, it does. In our own case, however, it has been essentially stagnant for the last 50 years with regard to space travel. Why is this? For beginners, the technology to travel in space efficiently is very difficult to develop. Secondly, space is a very hostile environment. Regardless, suggestions that we have been visited by other civilizations is without proof and exceedingly unlikely. Is there life elsewhere in the multiverse? Yes, almost certainly. Can they get here? Yes, in sci-fi movies.

Probably up there? Exactly where is "up there"? If you are suggesting that "up there" is in orbit around the earth, it is much more likely that nobody is up there and never has been. Sorry to burst the bubble, but sci-fi movies are long on fiction and short on science.

I am glad to put your mind at ease. I sleep well every night ;-)

Believer Here
 

I saw a UFO as a teenager, and since that was about the time of Kitty Hawk, I'm pretty sure it wasn't ours. It was round (about moon sized in appearance), bright, and arced across the entire sky in just several seconds. It was not a meteor as I have seen several of those, and it had a flight pattern, not just something plowing down through our atmosphere.

I have no doubt that we have been & continue to be visited. To think we are the only civilization seems naive to me. It was not that long ago that sound waves were unimaginable. Because we cannot see it does not mean it isn't there.

Unless physics is different in the rest of the universe, UFOs are just that - Unidentified. Show me a piece of physical evidence that has passed scientific review and I'll believe. When I was a child I had a big notebook full of UFO clipings, but once I grew up and looked at the "evidence" in an educated way, I threw it away.

There is no such thing as Bigfoot and we have not been visited by aliens.

Who’s science? Ours in our solar system?

Then, why the cover ups? The federal government is master of cover ups. From the bottom to top and from the top down. Only few really know what really happens and minimize the publicity due to career ambition. IMO the reason for most covers ups are due to major of people are mentally incapable of dealing with the truth.

I don't spend time on conspiracy theories.

Hey, if Santa Claus can do it, why not aliens? :a040::a040:

Let's look at some numbers. The Milky Way Galaxy (our Galaxy) is 100,000 light years across and contains about 100 billion stars. There are about 100 billion galaxies. We have been transmitting electromagnetic energy to space for about 100 years. That means other civilizations within 100 light years may know about us, if they were listening on the correct frequency. Assuming a civilization within 100 light years knows about us, what is probability that they have advanced enough technology to travel here in a reasonable amount of time? What is the probability that if they had sufficient technology to come here that they would? There is no evidence that we have been visited and the extreme distances and large number of possibly habitable planets makes the probability of visitations to our particular planet remote.

They are already here, my friend, and some of them live right here in The Villages.:ohdear::ohdear::faint:

I believe you, as I also have seen one. I still get goose bumps when I picture it.

This thread has turned into a discussion of "flying saucers" and I am using that term instead of UFO because what is the difference.

Sightings of UFO's are pretty much individual and NOBODY ever sees them but the one reporting.

Not one piece of credible evidence has ever been offered to substantiate these visitors from another orbit or where ever you imagine them to be.

LOTS of evidence of weather things in the air, of government testing (I keep reminding all of the UFO sighting in the late 50's and 60's which much can be explained by our government experimenting and testing things, LIKE THE U2 SPY PLANE, all credible and validated.

Why everyone prefers those theories right out of the National Enquirer rather than scientists and astronomers is well beyond me.

Reading today and being aware, you must know that almost every country with any resources is experimenting in ways to watch and listen in the most "cyber" kind of way, yet we talk of flying saucers and other worlds.

Of course anything is possible, but ALL evidence points to something other than other worlds visiting us...ALL evidence. If unexplained THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE, simply unexplained.

Anyone who claims to see a Unidentified Flying Object, I believe did, in facts, see an UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object.