Hate Glen Beck?
 

If you like Glen Beck or hate Glen Beck you should watch his program today, 6/21/2010 @ 5 pm.

Can't watch? Record it.

Lets talk about it.

Yoda

Good topic for a thread Yoda. I always take a great deal of information away from Glenn Beck's show. He always provides a springboard for me to find information to study and learn more about different topics.

The Founders' Friday shows are remarkable. He should win an award for these Friday shows. I wish everyone would take the time to watch one show and judge for themselves.

I watched the show and found many things very interesting. I'm very curious what we will discover tomorrow.

On today's episode of Crime Inc., I found especially troubling the potential conflict of interest between former Chicago boys John Pedesto, fourth White House Chief of Staff under former President Bill Clinton, president of the Center for American Progress and co-chairman of Obama's Transistion Project and his brother Tony Pedesto, who is co-owner with his brother of The Podesto Group in DC, the lobbyist for BP Oil. Tony is ranked as the third most influention lobbyist in DC, coupled with George Soros' ownership of the Petro-Bra(zil) oil company and Obama's promised investment of $2 billion of American taxpayer money to the venture. Now Obama stopped drilling off American shores helping Soros' Petro-Bra company. What the h@ll is going on there?

Oh, did I mention John Pedesto authored the book, The Power of Progress: How America's Progressives Can (Once Again) Save Our Economy, Our Climate, and Our Country.

And I loved when Beck produced the emails obtained through the Freedom of Information Act showing the White House asked the Center for American Progress Center for advise.
May 3, White house should demand an escrow account to pay the Gulf residents.
May 4, suggested Obama name a Commission to find the cause of the spill
May 21 name sombody to be public point person for the spill. Guess who was named by the White House? John Podesto

All with ties to George Soros who funded Pedesto's Center for American Progress think tank. Their moto is common good over narrow self interest. That's nice coming from the mouth of billionairres who are set to make billions more from Cap and Tax and the oil spill.

At least one person watched. Some day this thing will blow up. Can these things really be going on? Is this what liberals want? I don't understand how they are getting away with it.

Yoda

Yoda, after watching Glenn Beck yesterday, I thought I'd check on Media Matters for America's website today and see what they thought about Beck's show.

For anyone not familiar with the organization, let me start first by showing how Media Matters For America describes itself. (Just like newspapers have standard sections such as classified, editorial, obits, et al; Media Matters for America has standard sections on their website too. Some of their sections are "Only on Fox," "Right Wing Book Watch" and a "Limbaugh Wire.") I say this to show that they declare themselves the watchdog for Americans on "misinformation" in the US media. Many, many liberals on this site have used Media Matters as a source of information to show what they consider the conservative's distortion of the truth.

From their site About Us:
"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

"Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

"Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions."

I say all this to lead into saying what Media Matters for America found as misinformation about Beck's show yesterday. "Beck distorts Soros to accuse him of conspiring to 'replace the capitalist system,'" and "Beck admits he hasn't 'found anything illegal' about his latest 'Crime, Inc.' conspiracy theory." The second item was actually a statement Beck made on previous shows about Crime Inc. Before this new information was uncovered.

You can read it for yourself, but basically their problem with yesterday's show was" "Soros said the international currency system -- not 'the capitalist system' -- is "broken and needs to be reconstituted."

So the rest of the show's information is correct? If I missed something else on the website about Beck's show yesterday, please correct me.

Did any liberals watch? I wonder.

Yoda

Quite frankly, I was busy with wedding plans and work-related stuff.

Care to post the gist of the program?

And although infrequent, I *have* found a couple of times where I agree with Beck (like how he thought it was proper and necessary to read the Time Square Bomber his rights).

Incredible
 

This whole thing just boggles the mind. Whatever happened to transparency?

Read BK's post. It's most of it.

Yoda

I'm watching again tonight at 5 p.m. Yoda. Perplexing and disheartening that only one other person posted on here who apparently watched the program. It just confuses me how so many other can post political comments on this forum and others forums and news media outlets that I read and still never take an opportunity to discuss a perspective of current events as timely and important as this. I guess you and I are just more curious and truth seeking than most. You know what, I also love Your World with Neil Cavuto. He comes on an hour before Beck. His knack at combining dry humor and confronting people head-on at the same time are imformative and amusing to me. He really is underrated.

This was brought up during the primary and campaign and ignored then also or if a comment it was to call someone a racist !!!

It is very scary. What the he.. is happening. Nobody is interested in the subject, it seems. Is that what we have to look forward to?

Yoda

Don't understand either!
 

BK & Yoda,
We also watch but generally later (DVR the Program) and don't understand the apathy of the bulk of the population. The only encouraging thing is that his viewership is constantly increasing. I rarely post on the subjects because I don't feel that informed most of the time but I watch, listen and learn. Your posts rarely need to be commented on or dissected because they stand on their own, unlike comments and references by the far lefties which don't seem to want to be confused by the facts. Pesky little things always seem to get in the way of a good retort. We have attended several T.E.A. party rallies and were encouraged to see all those "violent, right-wing rascists, hate-mongering and running amok." Most of those we met had never involved themselves in anything like that before but felt they 'had to do something.' We also enjoy Neil, Bret, Shepard and O'reilly although am getting a little upset with Bill. Glen says that Bill is "this close to getting it. Just needs a little more time and a slight nudge." Lately, Bill just doesn't quite get it. (Why did he put Juan Williams on to guest host when he was off????) Geraldo lost my viewership when he drew the map in the sand when he was in Iraq. Totally irresponsible!! Only problem watching Glen is the frustration I feel about the general public's lack of interest and watching core values and a way of life going down the tubes. Reminds me of the quote
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (1729-1797).
I'm not sure what else we can do. Guess I will have to go drown my sorrows in a cold Mountain Dew. Oh well, 'nuff bloviating for now.

BTW, if you want some good quotes, check out this link.
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/quotes.html
One more good quote from this site--"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

YODA...I know that folks get angry with me BUT.....I said it months and months ago...this country has been conned and while that sounds strong..it is meant to be.

We were duped...we elected a man who defies all..I MEAN ALL...the basic things that would have knocked out any other person thinking of running for ANY OFFICE, let alone President.

He smokes and smoked publicly during the campaign. He drinks too much beer (THAT information came from his first physical as Pres when he was told to cut back)....he spent twenty years associating with and using a MENTOR and personal friend that preached hate and in the mildest terms would be called a radical (of course NOW, he does not even attend church)....he had NO..NONE...NO experience at anything in his entire life. ALL, ALL, ALL of his associates were what most would consider radical in there thinking. There was and is so much that should have sent out flares but the groundwork was done (see Soros, etc)

Most men (and women) are a product of thier upbringing and their politics and personal life are formed by the relationships they form as they age. This man..well....do the math.

Now, he is President.....and while he still has supporters...mostly party hacks and others in a minority, most folks including the press are becoming more and more embarassed by what happened in November.

I cannot wait to read the exposes that will come out of this Presidency !

In any case, we need to switch this congress around in November, so he is FORCED to work with others and cannot steamroll us and simply lie and ignore things as he progresses.

I know they are strong words, but I believed them when he ran for the nomination....I believed them when he was the candidate....and I believe them even more stronger now.

I think Bill O'Reilly puts Juan on because Bill really is fair and balanced. I like Juan Williams. Although I don't agree with alot of what he says, I respect his views. He is not conservative, but he does make sense when he defends and presents his views. Even if I don't agree with it, I can see some of his points. (But let's face it Juan can't hold a candle to Charles Krauthammer.)

Bucco, I wish I had discovered this forum back when Obama was a candidate. I would have been in your corner supporting you and probably getting called all sorts of names too. Like you , I knew then something was wrong. Most, not all, but most of the people I know in real life don't like him either and didn't then.

We do have to work to get as many of these people out of OUR government in November as we possible can...and we need to be thoughtful and careful about who we put in to replace them. They are not our representatives and don't have our country's best intentions at heart. The love of money is the root of all evil. Money equals power and that is what we are watching unfold before our eyes, a grab a money and power, and people taking our country down just to build it back into a different world. It is frightening. I believe we are seeing it first hand with this administration.

Why is it that our Obama supporting liberals on this forum are totally absent in comment. Not even defending him against this information?

Yoda

I start the DVR with Neil Cavuto at 4:00. With the exception of Shepard Smith I DVR everything through Hannity. All I can say is I'm scared to death with what is happening to our country. If a Republican had announced, after only 142 days as a Senator, that he was running for President he would have been laughed off the stage. If I thought Obama was just incompetent I would hold out hope that someone, somehow would make him see what he was doing to the country. Unfortunately, I think he knows exactly what he's doing. Look at he people he surounds himself with. His response to the oil rig disaster has been devastating. He has done everthing he can to put obstacles in the way, not to mention closing down all the other rigs. I think he wants to brings this country down and the sooner the better. He doesn't care if he gets another term. He will have done so much damage by then it won't matter. Also, I think George Soros is really the man behind everything.

No Libs?
 

:oops:OMG, can't believe I didn't mention Sean. :oops:
Maybe they were scared off by the title of the post? Afraid of being corrupted and learn some truths? :p

Fundamental Change?
 

I don't think that most of the people that voted for him understood what he meant when he said he wanted to 'transform' America and fundamentally change things. I don't KNOW that Soros is 'the man behind things' but certainly believe that there is a force behind him. Get him 'off script' and he is less than ordinary, either confused or angry. How else could a total unknown rise from the obscurity of dealing with potholes to the Oval Office in 5 years or so. Spending his entire 'political' career campaigning (and still is, after nearly two years in office). It takes a LOT of money to spend that much time campaigning. Given what we have been told about his life, I don't believe much of it came out of his pockets. Like GB says, "follow the money." Why is the Left so scared of the T.E.A. party movement and Sarah Palin that they have to still try and tear her down nearly two years after the election and resort to name-calling of the T.E.A partiers, making false claims and accusing them of using the tactics they have been using (& still are) for decades? Most ridiculous claim during the '08 campaign was that Sarah was too inexperienced to hold such a high, important office. So, what did they offer? Someone with zero experience but wow, how he could orate. (Ignore the man behind the curtain, Dorothy). How about the tactics being used against Michele Bachman from MN? Your Ideas don't hold water? Smear, Smear, Smear. Every time we disagree with the policies or bills they want to cram down our throats, they scream RASCIST, PARTY of NO, Etc. We're not rascist and only say NO to things that have the potential to destroy us. I don't care what the color or gender is of whoever is in the White House. I just want someone there who is not trying to tear down this great country. Black in the Oval Office, Fine! How about Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes. Maybe even Michael Steele if he wouldn't be so moderate. At this point (thought I'd never even think it) even Hillary would have been better for the country.
That should be enough for tonight, think I'm overdue for my meds. :evil6:

Right on, Macro. Only black Democrats are acceptable. Conservative blacks are villified. I have never figured out why blacks support the Democrat party. It was the Republicans who helped LBJ get the civil rights bill passed. The Dems do their best to hold the blacks back.

Holding Back
 

It's not that they are trying to hold ANYONE back, just are trying to expand the "Dependent" class so they can expand government and their control over those poor people who can't help themselves. The more control THEY have, the less we do.

YODA...you were here during the campaign and thus you know that even then they "supported" him by saying the most personal and offensive things about McCain,his wife, his family, even his military career (I recall a poster talking about how he was not good at landing airplanes...but of course Jeremiah Wright was a non issue and that was)...they were absolutely brutal in talking about Palin, her children, her husband,.

Perhaps this is how the left thinkers on this board operate....simply attack and tear down anyone who opposes on a personal level. I recall NOBODY at anytime ever saying anything about Obama's family, children and the only mention of his wife I recall was when her comments were in the news.

Beck's stock went up in my book when he opened the door
 

on Van Jones. I just happened to see his program that day. Like he recommended and continually recommends....go check it out for yorself. I googled Van Jones and after reading the myriad of information available about who he was/is...what he stands for....one could only ask...how in the heck did he end up in the WH clan?

Then a few days later he is gone. Fancy that. That is when I became a fan of Beck's. I consider him thought provoking. I find Beck's words to be much more substantive and credible than Obama or any of his mouth pieces.

For there to be mention in an earlier post that Soros has not done anything illegal is pretty naive. Just because it is not illegal does not mean it is right or OK . Lawyers and wealthy folks have the means to use, abuse, not use or hide behind the law as it suits their purpose. They deal in words and how to exploit their gains through their "legal" use.

btk

Perhaps their absence is because there is nobody else to blame.

Yoda

To answer your post yes,I hate Beck. I think he is a dangerous right-wing liar and the worst person on Fox. But there is hope! According to the latest Nielson ratings(JUne 23) Beck just demolished his previous low rating with his June 18th program. Between January and last Friday Beck has lost 2 million viewers. There is hope foe America!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beck a liar?
 

Well, that may be your opinion. Would you care to elucidate a little on the lies he has perpetrated? Maybe even be willing to back that up with some FACTS? (gasp) maybe something other than references to daily kos or huffington post? I'm really curious as to where he is attempting to lead us astray. Enlighten us.

You are asking quite a bit. WAYNE NEVER EVER backs up what he says...his is a drive by poster !!! He can only repeat what KOS tells him !!

Sorry
 

Lost my head, expecting logic. :oops:

Lost 2 million viewers? I couldn't find that Nielson ratings chart waynet. Could you provide it to me please.

I found one site that shows the rankings and it show Beck leading the 5 p.m. lineup. Glenn Beck – 2,124,000 viewers on Monday, June 21, 2010. So I suppose if I believe that he lost 2 million viewers, that means he had over 4 million viewers in January. Wow. That is amazing.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/22...-21-2010/54998

I am very suspicious of anyone who uses the word HATE so easily and so often !!!!

Hate to back up Wayne but....
 

Went to the site you posted BK, out of curiosity, and dug into the archives. Looking at late Jan, Beck did have 3.9 mil viewers and saw O'Reilly w/ 4.2 mil. What wayne doesn't mention is most viewership is down. Maybe nice weather, travel, summer activities? Hard to tell without full analysis over similar time periods. Trends are more informative than spot checks. But then, I guess you only use what you need to back up your argument, especially if ALL the FACTS don't back up your position.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005200004 You won't like the source so you will think this is made up. Too bad,thats your problem.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201006220006 more not to like...as far as the word hate,what is the title of this thread? Just answering the question Bucco.

Waynet, here's one of my many problems with Media Matters. Where in that link is a link to the Neilson ratings. I looked and don't see one.

Since you find Media Matters a reliable source, what do you think of the Media Matters' response to Beck's show from Monday that we were discussing on this thread?

#1. I feel sorry for you if you cannot recognize YODA have his tongue planted firmly in cheek and addressing the audience of which you appear to be a member....that is a shame !

#2. Didnt go to your link, dont care what Beck's numbers are and again....try to lose the hateful attitude...read other things except those that make you feel good, like KOS, and learn a bit. Try the NY Times..they lean a bit left....try other sources....there is a whole other world out there with facts and all that dumb stuff !

Can you please list some of his lies?

Yoda

Lost 2 million viewers? Where did you get that? The Daily Kos?

Yoda

Hey Yoda; How about some truth to combat the spin that Beck's show is falling. Here from a site that Waynet cannot claim is biased to the right if he has any integrity.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...op__163429.asp

The Left and Media Matters have been remarkable quite about Beck's show on Crime Inc., Soros, big oil and Petro-Bra(zil). Obama and Soros are probably glad they had McChrystal as a distractor.

ratings
 

RL, I kind of like the site posted by BK for looking up the numbers. TvbytheNumbers. Hard to navigate but you can eventually get into the archives to see the Neilsen numbers for most dates. In the search you have to enter "Cable News Ratings for (day of week), (month, day)". Wish they would just give you a calendar to pick from. according to the posts, Glenn did have almost 4 mil in late January and is down under 2 mil last week. So are a lot of others down though. Like I stated previously, trends mean more than spot checks anytime. Like the old adage; Figures don't lie but liars figure.