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retiredguy123 02-02-2020 07:54 AM

Who Likes 4K Television?
 
I have a 75 inch, 4K, UHD, HDR Sony television. I also have an Xfinity 4K cable box and an 4K dvd player. But, I have never been able to see the difference in picture quality when watching shows and movies in 4K. I have also tried watching 4K content directly from wifi streaming and have even paid extra to rent movies in 4K. But, I usually end up changing my cable box setting back to the 1080P HD setting because it fills up the screen better. I am going to try to watch the Super Bowl today in 4K, but I am not very optimistic that the picture will be better than my past experiences.

dewilson58 02-02-2020 08:03 AM

Samsung 4k, YouTube TV, with +50mbps internet.........I see the difference (& I think it's not just because I invested in the TV).


That being said, Samsung has 6, 7, 8, 9 series TV's. I went with Q7 series.........could not see the value in the 8 or 9 series pricing.


I see the difference is slower action shows.......golf, nature shots, football between plays, etc. Fast moving action shots, not so much. I'm sure the quality is there, but there is not enough time to focus & enjoy.




:ho:

Polar Bear 02-02-2020 08:40 AM

I can tell when a show is 4k even if I didn’t know it was going to be. Much better.

Not sure what you mean when you say your 1080p fills up your screen better. 4k has higher resolution and should definitely not be a smaller picture.

retiredguy123 02-02-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1714894)
I can tell when a show is 4k even if I didn’t know it was going to be. Much better.

Not sure what you mean when you say your 1080p fills up your screen better. 4k has higher resolution and should definitely not be a smaller picture.

When I switch to 4K, there is always a black space at the top and bottom of the screen. Sometimes it is only about a quarter inch, and sometimes it is about one inch.

Tjjordan5 02-02-2020 09:10 AM

Check your display settings on your tv. The TV resolution should have the 4K box checked. It activates the resolution your TV supports. If not checked it won’t display 4K.

retiredguy123 02-02-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjjordan5 (Post 1714908)
Check your display settings on your tv. The TV resolution should have the 4K box checked. It activates the resolution your TV supports. If not checked it won’t display 4K.

My TV display setting says 3840 x 2160p 4K.

JoelJohnson 02-02-2020 09:28 AM

Most people (our age group) can't see a difference between 1080p and 4K. So if you pay more for a 4K TV then you convince yourself that you CAN see the difference, but it's your money, so enjoy.

Polar Bear 02-02-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1714897)
When I switch to 4K, there is always a black space at the top and bottom of the screen. Sometimes it is only about a quarter inch, and sometimes it is about one inch.

Ahh, so it's probably just a horizontal/vertical ratio thing. You probably still have a setting on your TV to allow the picture to expand to fit your screen though. Not certain, but common.

Polar Bear 02-02-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 1714923)
Most people (our age group) can't see a difference between 1080p and 4K. So if you pay more for a 4K TV then you convince yourself that you CAN see the difference, but it's your money, so enjoy.

"Most people..."?? Highly doubtful. Heheh. Sounds like you're one of those that can't see the difference. But it is definitely there. So please don't discourage those with good vision. :)

retiredguy123 02-02-2020 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1714939)
Ahh, so it's probably just a horizontal/vertical ratio thing. You probably still have a setting on your TV to allow the picture to expand to fit your screen though. Not certain, but common.

For some unknown reason, I think the auto expand feature only works in the 1080p mode. I have tried every TV and cable box setting I can find, and there are some channels and Netflix content that do not fill the entire screen in the 4K mode. Some cable channels are perfect, but others have a one quarter inch black band at the top of the screen. Netflix TV shows have a one inch black space at the top and bottom of the screen in the 4K mode.

Tjjordan5 02-02-2020 11:23 AM

There’s a huge difference in 1080 and 4K. 4K is an AMAZING picture difference !!! You need a 4K feed in order to see the difference. Just because you have your TV set to 4K doesn’t mean the channel you are watching is 4K content.

retiredguy123 02-02-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tjjordan5 (Post 1714970)
There’s a huge difference in 1080 and 4K. 4K is an AMAZING picture difference !!! You need a 4K feed in order to see the difference. Just because you have your TV set to 4K doesn’t mean the channel you are watching is 4K content.

I just tuned in to the Fox broadcast of the Super Bowl pregame show. I have to admit that the 4K picture is better than the 1080 picture. Also, the sound is better. It uses Dolby Digital Plus instead of the regular Dolby Digital. I suspect that many other shows that are advertised as 4K are actually not 4K.

Northerner52 02-03-2020 06:38 AM

Just bought a 4K from Best Buy. The installer said cable companies do not broadcasting 4K. You get 4K from streaming or an antenna (really)

biker1 02-03-2020 06:49 AM

I suspect any differences you may notice are due to HDR and not resolution increases. If you are sitting 10 feet or more from a typical set (60-75") you won't be able to see the resolution increase from 1080p to 2160p but you will notice the better color saturation from HDR.

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Originally Posted by Tjjordan5 (Post 1714970)
There’s a huge difference in 1080 and 4K. 4K is an AMAZING picture difference !!! You need a 4K feed in order to see the difference. Just because you have your TV set to 4K doesn’t mean the channel you are watching is 4K content.


Heyitsrick 02-03-2020 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1714996)
I just tuned in to the Fox broadcast of the Super Bowl pregame show. I have to admit that the 4K picture is better than the 1080 picture. Also, the sound is better. It uses Dolby Digital Plus instead of the regular Dolby Digital. I suspect that many other shows that are advertised as 4K are actually not 4K.

What's the exact model number of your Sony TV?

retiredguy123 02-03-2020 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1715116)
What's the exact model number of your Sony TV?

Sony XBR75X900E

Polar Bear 02-03-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1715112)
...If you are sitting 10 feet or more from a typical set (60-75") you won't be able to see the resolution increase from 1080p to 2160p...

With all due respect, simply not true.

NavyVet 02-03-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aallbrand (Post 1715183)
If you really want the best picture along with the lowest price you need Dish Network our Direct tv. .

Been there, done that. I'll take the 'not the best' picture that's always on over the best picture that is completely lost every time it's rainy, windy, cloudy... LOL. Just my personal preference. :D

OhioBuckeye 02-03-2020 11:15 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1714879)
I have a 75 inch, 4K, UHD, HDR Sony television. I also have an Xfinity 4K cable box and an 4K dvd player. But, I have never been able to see the difference in picture quality when watching shows and movies in 4K. I have also tried watching 4K content directly from wifi streaming and have even paid extra to rent movies in 4K. But, I usually end up changing my cable box setting back to the 1080P HD setting because it fills up the screen better. I am going to try to watch the Super Bowl today in 4K, but I am not very optimistic that the picture will be better than my past experiences.

I agree retiredguy, I look at TV's all the time because I'm in the market for a little bigger TV. I look at the Samsung Q's & it's hard to see a whole lot of difference for the price, sometimes a couple of thousand dollars. I've got a cheap DYNEX TV & it's been trouble free for 9 yrs. now. & it's got a great picture. Just can't believe that some people really think they have to spend 3, 4 or $5,000. & try to make people think they have the clearest picture that money can buy. How in the world did we ever get through childhood with a RCA picture tube TV that sometimes was snowy, picture rolled & only had 5 or 6 channels. Nobody ever complained about clarity & we paid 2 or $300. dollars for a TV then. Good comment, retiredguy!

biker1 02-03-2020 12:28 PM

Sorry but you are wrong. The distances at which 4K has an advantage is widely known.

4K Resolution Does Matter – Here’s When – Carlton Bale .com

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1715175)
With all due respect, simply not true.


biker1 02-03-2020 12:39 PM

There aren't any 4K broadcasts available with an antenna (OTA), yet. I believe we may see some later this year or next.

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Originally Posted by Northerner52 (Post 1715109)
Just bought a 4K from Best Buy. The installer said cable companies do not broadcasting 4K. You get 4K from streaming or an antenna (really)


Polar Bear 02-03-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1715213)
Sorry but you are wrong. The distances at which 4K has an advantage is widely known...

Yes. And the many, many sources that convey them do not all agree down to the foot. I agree with your ballpark figures. But to make it sound so absolute is what I disagree with. Many factors come into play. Individual visual acuity, LED vs LCD vs Plasma, others. I sit roughly 9 feet from a 65” 4K TV and the difference is obvious...and very enjoyable.

biker1 02-03-2020 02:04 PM

The placebo effect at work. I doubt you ever ran a true A/B comparison and as I already stated if you see an improvement between 1080p and 4K material at typical viewing distances it is probably because of HDR. The physics of the situation are pretty clear. Regarding LCD and LED, they are essentially the same technology. What people call “LED” is an LCD with LED backlighting instead of fluorescent tubes.


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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1715240)
Yes. And the many, many sources that convey them do not all agree down to the foot. I agree with your ballpark figures. But to make it sound so absolute is what I disagree with. Many factors come into play. Individual visual acuity, LED vs LCD vs Plasma, others. I sit roughly 9 feet from a 65” 4K TV and the difference is obvious...and very enjoyable.


retiredguy123 02-03-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1715245)
The placebo effect at work. I doubt you ever ran a true A/B comparison and as I already stated if you see an improvement between 1080p and 4K material at typical viewing distances it is probably because of HDR. The physics of the situation are pretty clear. Regarding LCD and LED, they are essentially the same technology. What people call “LED” is an LCD with LED backlighting instead of fluorescent tubes.

If you are correct, Best Buy is making a lot of money selling placebos. I wonder how much money they will make selling 8K TVs? I remember when the big thing was going from a 60hz refresh rate to 120hz and 240hz. Now most TVs are being made with the old 60hz refresh rate, I guess because nobody could tell the difference.

biker1 02-03-2020 02:29 PM

It is hard to sell a new TV without some new gimmick. And yes, I have a 4K TV and virtually all TVs are now 4K so you don’t have a choice. The limit for visual acuity for a 4K 65” TV is about 5 feet. Beyond that you won’t detect any improvement. Refresh rate may make a difference on some action sports. Regarding 8K TVs, they are just like 4K TVs - if you sit close enough you can see the difference. There is a relationship between the set size, the set resolution, and how close you sit to the set. Why do you think smart phones have such an outrageously high number DPI?


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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1715250)
If you are correct, Best Buy is making a lot of money selling placebos. I wonder how much money they will make selling 8K TVs? I remember when the big thing was going from a 60hz refresh rate to 120hz and 240hz. Now most TVs are being made with the old 60hz refresh rate, I guess because nobody could tell the difference.


Nucky 02-03-2020 05:45 PM

Doesn't the Data usage change bigly when you stream with 4K vs 1080? OLED picture is the best in my opinion except last time I was in Best Buy the only brand they had was LG and for me that ain't happening no matter what Consumer Report says.

I can't see the difference from 1080 to 4K! I just know 4K will lump up your Data.


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