I am surprised
 

...that there has been no talk, here at political, about the mosque at ground zero. I personally think it is an atrocity.

Overwhelmed?
 

I think that we are being overwhelmed with the number of outrageous attacks on our freedoms and liberties as I questioned in another thread. I agree it's an atrocity and to be expected, if you understand their motives. The muslim religion, along with some others believe that to show victory over your enemies, you must destroy what is sacred to them and replace it with a symbol of your beliefs, in this case, a mosque. There is great symbolism in getting a mosque built at that site.

yes
 

And do you think BH is involved in any way?

Funny. The Muslims I knew and worked with in Boston didn't share those views. I suppose all Catholics support child rape because a few priests did it. I suppose all Christians advocate bombing any building with a woman's clinic in it because a few fundys have done it. I suppose all politicians are gay because of one Senator at the Minneapolis airport.

peripherally....
 

possibly as an enabler???? Never directly.

Not a condemnation.....
 

I suppose you took it the way you did because I used the word 'religion'. Let me re-phrase somewhat. It was common practice among islaamic societies AND MANY OTHERS to remove things important or sacred to their enemies and to replace them with their own, to drive home the point of their victory. If you believe they want to build the mosque to honor the innocent people killed there, you are sadly mistaken. The point of the mosque is to celebrate the success of those who flew the planes into the WTC buildings. Even though they can't yet say that.

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Okay, let me see if I get this right. CBS refused to air a commercial by the Republican opponents of the construction of an Islamic mosque and community center on Ground Zero because the commercial showed actually footage of the Islamic jihadist flying into the twin towers. It might be offensive to viewers.

But it isn't offensive to allow believers in Islam who declared war against us to build a religious symbol reflecting the beliefs of the muslims on the very sight. It would be easier for me to understand quantum physics than to understand this.

I mean really folks, not everyone in the Third Reich was bad. They weren't all Nazis and anyway not all Nazis were bad. Not every person in the German Army believed in the things Hitler was doing. Let's build a monument to the Third Reich in the middle of Auschwitz.

In the words of human-rights group Stop Islamicization of America. executive director Pamela Geller:

"What could be more insulting and humiliating than a monster mosque in the shadow of the World Trade Center buildings that were brought down by an Islamic jihad attack? Any decent American, Muslim or otherwise, wouldn't dream of such an insult. It's a stab in the eye of America."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...#ixzz0tc5v7Uof

Watch the commercial here.

http://politifi.com/news/Death-to-th...ir-919637.html

Have you heard about this one? It's just a learning center, right?


"MLEETA: As construction workers put the finishing touches on the doorframe in the lobby of this extravagant complex, a familiar voice can be heard booming from within. A child sits on his father’s lap among a row of chairs, a couple in front in the next row, all watching a large screen on the far wall. There, Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah is issuing his now famous riposte: 'If you hit our airports, we will hit your airports, if you hit our infrastructure, we will hit your infrastructure.'

"Inaugurated on May 25 to mark the 10th anniversary of Israel’s withdrawal from most of its south Lebanon 'occupation zone' in 2000, this multimillion-dollar 'resistance tourist center' in the hills of south Lebanon represents perhaps the first museum ever built to celebrate the victories of a war still ongoing.

"With this complex, in the small mountain town of Mleeta in the area Hizbullah first launched their campaign against Israeli bases, the group shows how the Lebanese Resistance drove Israeli forces from the south.

“ 'This is the real story, the one people come here to see,' says the tour guide Abou Hassan, as he shows the group a room filled with war booty from the 2006 conflict. The first wall features a chart with the names of every division in the Israeli Army from President Shimon Peres down to the lowest troops.


“ 'We’ve mapped every soldier out to show them we are watching and that we are ready for them,' warns Abou Hassan."



Read more here:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....#axzz0telNF4ot

Last time I checked I haven't heard of any Catholics or Christians flying airplanes into buildings, beheading people, threatening to wipe out Israel, strapping bombs to their chests or driving cars filled with explosives into crowed civilian areas, etc, etc, etc. All the while certain "communities" in the US remain strangely silent... unless they want to build a mosque.

Recall after Pearl Harbor one of the Japanese dignitaries
 

stated "...I fear we have awakened the paper tiger...".

That was then.

Now the tiger has not only gone back to sleep, but to paper again and de-clawed and de-toothed to become a laughable (to our enemies and adversaries) permissive pacifist society with linguine spined special interest minority (not race) group, let's not offend anybody leadership....

WHILE THE MAJORITY JUST SITS BY AND CONTINUES TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.

No mystery here!

btk

Sorry, BTK, but Admiral Yamamoto's statement was: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
Let us pray that is the situation again and I believe it is. If we truly display our resolve in November, we have a chance to take out nation back. The past 50 years have been like the frog in the pot of water with the heat being slowly turned up. It's time to stop this nonsense and get back to being Americans - people who take care of themselves and eachother at the same time. It worked very well in the past and can again in the future. We must just regain our work ethic and stop being greedy little piglets at the nipple of big government.

As a practicing Catholic, I find your comments completely illogical.

NYC Protest
 

In case you didn't see it on network news or CNN or MSNBC

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2010...-zero-part-ii/

Had trouble with your link buddy.

INCREDIBLE!!!! This travesty cannot happen--not in my America!!!

dklassen: No, the Catholic Church has much smaller scale racketeering going on to protect their child rapists. They gave up their killing a few hundred years ago. Since Christianity got a 900 year or so head start on Islam, perhaps it'll just take another 900 years before Islam is 'down' to 'only' raping kids.

Yes, this is a REAL hot button with me. Just because Christians aren't flying planes into buildings - oh, wait, one did last year (though it was a small plane) doesn't give them a pass.

Make no mistake - it's not Christianity or Islam that I have a problem with - it is the organized heirarchies that whip their troops up into a frenzy.

20 radical Muslims committed the worst act of terror on American soil. Yet, no Muslim I have ever known would even THINK of such a thing.

It is estimated now that anywhere between 2% and 5% of all Catholic priests have sexually molested children. None that I dealt with in my life are among that crowd.

If you condemn all Islam for the actions of a few SELF DESCRIBED RADICALS who even want to wipe out members of different sects of their own faith, then one wonders why the same standard doesn't apply to Christians.

I mean, it's not like Christians would march in the street and throw firebombs or kill people in markets. Oh - wait - I forgot about Northern Ireland.

You mix Catholics and Christians as one in your anti religion rants and they are not exactly the same thing.

You may as well be correct in those you condemn !!

I actually find fault with anyone, yourself included, that would be so self indulged to condemn somebody's faith.

The referrals to Muslims in simply a reaction to the news stories heard every single day and the violence reports, NOT a condemnation of the religion. I might also suggest that you do some reading on the Muslim faith or at least sects, thereof, that DO IN FACT preach jihad....fact is they refer to it as DEFENSIVE JIHAD since the belief is that any non muslim in the mideast is an invader and thus must be destroyed...they also do not and will never recognize Israel.

All muslims are not bad for sure and did not read anyone say or imply that !

Also keep in mind how many hundreds of years that so-called Christians had a 'jihad' out for Muslims.

And, yes, I know well that there's adifference between Catholic and Christian - since I was raised a Catholic. There are Christians out there who don't consider Catholics to be Christian, though Catholics (for the most part) consider themselves Christian.

What does any of that have to do with the insensitivity of building the mosque near ground zero?

I just dont understand how Catholics, or christians became the subject of this thread. If you read YOU are the one who brought them up and cant let go of that.

If your point was that there are bad in every religion, fine but the constant harrangue on a thread which originally had to do with a religious building being structred at the site of an attack on our country by folks who were doing so, whether the majority or not, in the name of their religion and that structure being built there being a structure OF that religion.

How does any of that relate to your comments on Catholics, not Methodists, not Mormons...just Catholics ?

Ground Zero - Is it-possible-to be astonished but not surprised
 

Thank-you for posting the link. That was the video that inspired me to start this thread but I was a little gun shy to post it myself.


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Isn't it sad to be "gun shy" about posting an opinion or facts out of fear of offending someone associated with terrorism. Not a reflection on you by any stretch. Just a reflection on how we have all allowed ourselves to be conditioned to accept the unacceptable, call wrong right and twist lies into half truths all in the name of not being offensive.

Thank you islandgal. I like you more and more everyday.

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Twisted
 

You are twisting history to satisfy your twisted opinions.

I

That's right Lou Card. Good for you. As you are keeping score, make sure you give credit to the appropriate teams - good against evil.

If that is your attempt at humor, you have failed miserably. And on behalf of all my ancestors who have bravely died defending this great country.:cus::boxing2:

I don't believe the so called "happenings" were directed
 

but reported as having happened, therefore one of the conclusions COULD be as stated.

A big HOWEVER, to my knowledge, there wasn't and there isn't any directive like there is in some Muslim groups to "kill as many Americans as possible".

After the fact statistics can be used to justify almost any position. It is the intent that should be the driver of basis.

btk

I agree with you billethkid except for the statement of the directive of some muslim groups to "kill as many Americans as possible".

The objective of some muslim groups, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and others in these shiite sects, is to kill the non-muslim infidel regimes and apostates - not just Americans - in order to usher in the great battle of armageddon and the rule of allah.

I take back saying your opinions are twisted because they are sick and very much so.

Read the Coran and the Bible and you will see where the problem lies which you seriously fail to see.

I am again wondering about you. Maybe you don't believe the crap you put out Maybe you are just a disturber.

If that is your attempt at humor, you have failed miserably. And on behalf of all my ancestors who have bravely died defending this great country.

Well, I served in the US Army for 22 years and spent my time in combat, I just did not die doing my part. Before you come down on the Muslims for killing Americans, remember our history. Christian nations are no less violent than any other religion. Christianity has a guy named Jesus Christ that popped up 2000 years ago and gave a Sermon O the Mount in hopes to start a better loving faith, but we took that ball and stayed in first place on the kill board. My point is we are no better and maybe worse than Radical Islam when it comes to killing. Lets get out of other peoples killing fields before we expect them to get out of ours. I would love to live with PEACE ON EARTH AND GOOD WILL TO MAN, but we need to look within as well as over the fence. If I was called on by my country, I would be in the middle east killing our enemy immediately.

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Excuse my ignorance but could you tell me which Christians were involved with the killing of 6 million Jews? Just curious. Maybe I missed something.

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You still haven't told me which Christians did these things. Maybe it was the 28.3% unaffiliated or the "other"?

I have never met a Christian that would ever wantly kill another human being, except in war where it is kill or be killed against an armed enemy.

Could you please clarify your motives here ?

I dont know whether your intent is to defend the Muslim's who preach killing and then do kill in the most hideous and public ways....OR to criticize this country..you know the one that has been sucked into wars for the most part to save other people from dying.

Just need to know which way you are going with this !!!

I am reallyconfused...I watch the videos of the public beheading of people who are murdered because they are NOT MUSLIM or ARE AMERICAN.

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You were making real good sense until you wrote the last sentence.:ohdear: