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grahambda 03-09-2020 05:02 PM

What’s the fine?
 
Hi, so we have tried without success to get approval to remove an aging oak tree in our front yard. The roots are out of control lifting up the pavers and the driveway, with a real concern the roots will cause issues with the foundation not to mention the hurricane risk if/when the tree falls on the house.

I am now considering legal recourse or just getting it removed and accept the consequences. But .. what are those consequences? If it’s a fine then that may be acceptable vs the current problems and the potential of loosing our home due to a storm.

Thought?

Bjeanj 03-09-2020 06:22 PM

Are you saying ARC Did not approve to remove? Did they say why not? Don’t know what the fine would be if you don’t get permission.

grahambda 03-09-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 1725762)
Are you saying ARC Did not approve to remove? Did they say why not? Don’t know what the fine would be if you don’t get permission.

The just responded denying the application stating “the tree is healthy”

Velvet 03-09-2020 11:33 PM

Hire Massey, the native, almost indestructible palm in my front yard, expired under their care.

Nucky 03-10-2020 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by grahambda (Post 1725754)
Hi, so we have tried without success to get approval to remove an aging oak tree in our front yard. The roots are out of control lifting up the pavers and the driveway, with a real concern the roots will cause issues with the foundation not to mention the hurricane risk if/when the tree falls on the house.

I am now considering legal recourse or just getting it removed and accept the consequences. But .. what are those consequences? If it’s a fine then that may be acceptable vs the current problems and the potential of loosing our home due to a storm.

Thought?

Excellent question. You are not alone. I have a shot at a home that is not on the market but the Humongous Tree is absolutely a deal breaker. It has had no professional care in 30 years and is off the hook out of control and safety is the main thing! It is magnificent to look at but I down want to check out under a tree or battle limbs and leaves all year. That is the life we left behind. :pray:

I hope things work out favorably for you.

Two Bills 03-10-2020 04:20 AM

Get an engineers report that the tree is undermining your property and is a danger.

Or.

Find someone to cut it down to a two foot stump, and when confronted by the powers that be, just insist it was a heavy prune.

Oak tree roots spread is about 4-5 times the size of the canopy.

drpepper 03-10-2020 04:45 AM

I took one down without permission. A noisy neighbor turned me in. I was threatened with a recurring $500 fine. After a meeting with the powers that be I was told that I would have to replace it with a canopy tree of my choice anywhere on my property. I planted a small magnolia in the rear of my yard.

markusb741 03-10-2020 05:47 AM

tree removal
 
I recently had a very large oak tree removed and it was approved by ARC. Hire a licensed arborist to look at the tree and write a report for the ARC. We got immediate approval. Call Matt Ray at AmeriTree Services 352-461-4890. He will handle the whole process. Good Luck.

Madelaine Amee 03-10-2020 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by markusb741 (Post 1725831)
I recently had a very large oak tree removed and it was approved by ARC. Hire a licensed arborist to look at the tree and write a report for the ARC. We got immediate approval. Call Matt Ray at AmeriTree Services 352-461-4890. He will handle the whole process. Good Luck.

This is the best advice ...... have the job done in the best possible way.

quilting3grammy 03-10-2020 06:10 AM

I know this is for an oak tree and they are protected, but I had a 35' magnolia tree from my villa back yard. I had called the Villages and they told me to check for a certified arborist online. I found Tree Frog Tree Company and they came out and gave me an estimate. They said it was no big deal for them to get permission because the roots were infringing on our house and foundation slab. They gave me a copy of the Villages approval when they came to take down the tree. They were incredible and were here at 9am and the tree was down and yard all cleaned up by 2. So if I were you I would call this company or another certified arborist and see what they have to say.

Chatbrat 03-10-2020 06:21 AM

Another aspect, we have a neighbor's tree whose roots are starting to undermine our lanai--we hire a company to use a stump cutter to remove some of the roots--this is a recurring problem--

rjn5656 03-10-2020 06:21 AM

You need to get a aborist to state that the tree must come down.

brianherlihy 03-10-2020 06:21 AM

we tried to get rid of our grass. no luck now I just turnd off all the water to the grass it will just go a way

Rwirish 03-10-2020 06:31 AM

No approval, the tree stays.

noslices1 03-10-2020 06:51 AM

That’s a sure way to get a recurring fine from The Villages. Better read your CCRs.

MIskra 03-10-2020 07:05 AM

I have sat through a couple ARC meetings, waiting to obtain approval for our proposed landscaping plans and resients are always coming before them asking permission to remove trees for various reasons, including the one you site. If it is a healthy tree, permission is always given IF the homeowner promises to plant another canopy tree of a certain size somewhere else on the property. I don't know if anyone ever follows up to confirm that a new tree is planted (I doubt it, considering how busy they are, and you could always say that you are working on it if anyone knocks on your door to inquire about the status). You just need to request that they hear your case, be there when they consider your proposal to answer questions, and include plenty of pictures when you submit your paperwork. It would be helpful for you to obtain a letter from an arborist, stating that the tree is healthy but supporting your case of potential damage to your property. You can get approval. Lots of people do. Just attend the meeting (even though the meeting will be long and boring because you will have to sit through everyone elses cases until yours comes up on their agenda) and be willing to plant another tree elsewhere on your property.

greenflash245 03-10-2020 07:32 AM

that's right! if the tree dies, you'll get ordered to take it down. the fact that it is healthy would not work for me. I might consult legal advice

Bay Kid 03-10-2020 07:32 AM

These oaks are way too large for these size lots. Not sure what they were thinking when planted.

rmorris575 03-10-2020 08:08 AM

Contact Tree Frog tree service. KANANI will solve your problem. He is an certified arborist. 352-446-5043

mainelovr 03-10-2020 08:16 AM

Another vote for Tree Frog. Kinani is the owner, and a certified arborist. He told us that the majority of the oaks planted here are junk trees that should have never left the nursery. He took care of all the paperwork and removed 2 oaks on our property, one of which root system had broken through our sprinkler system and caused a minor flood. Call him. You’ll be glad you did.

Roberta Forcina 03-10-2020 08:49 AM

Sadly whenever you want to get something done on your property I find The Villages only to cater to their controlled rules. And they seem to have generated responses so they never really answer or address your issues.

Cgunn 03-10-2020 08:53 AM

if someone emptied a bag of rock salt at the base of the tree... it would die in a year.
FYI

Aw Man 03-10-2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Roberta Forcina (Post 1725930)
Sadly whenever you want to get something done on your property I find The Villages only to cater to their controlled rules. And they seem to have generated responses so they never really answer or address your issues.

Not true in my experience.
Refer to the posts immediately prior to the one above for good advice.
The OP should definitely call Kanani Morris at Tree Frog, it will be worthwhile in solving the OP’s problem.

theruizs 03-10-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by grahambda (Post 1725754)
Hi, so we have tried without success to get approval to remove an aging oak tree in our front yard. The roots are out of control lifting up the pavers and the driveway, with a real concern the roots will cause issues with the foundation not to mention the hurricane risk if/when the tree falls on the house.

I am now considering legal recourse or just getting it removed and accept the consequences. But .. what are those consequences? If it’s a fine then that may be acceptable vs the current problems and the potential of loosing our home due to a storm.

Thought?

It’s there because the developer has to leave a certain number of native trees. I don’t know the exact formula but it is not just the developer being obstinate. If you cut it down, at a minimum, you will have to replace it with another similar tree (not a palm). There may also be a fine and even potential jail time. Posting your intent here certainly doesn’t help.

Bogie Shooter 03-10-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by grahambda (Post 1725778)
The just responded denying the application stating “the tree is healthy”

There must be more to your story.

We had an oak in our front lawn which we thought had a disease.
Applied to ARC to cut the tree down. They sent out their arborist to evaluate the tree. He agreed to disease, reported that to ARC and they approved. Tree is gone.

I question why ARC did not request the arborist, did theyARC, come and look at the tree?

Nell57 03-10-2020 10:14 AM

Once a live oak has a diameter of a 4” trunk, it is a protected tree in the state of Florida. The developer plants a certain number of live oaks on residential property to balance out the number they remove when clearing for the infrastructure.
A few years ago some unnamed people in the Village of Bridgeport took out a number of live oaks because they had grown taller and were blocking their beautiful view. There was a HUGE consequence. It was under investigation by the Sumpter Co Sheriff dept.
New trees were replanted, and I believe an “association “ donated about $40,000 to make the problem go away.
So don’t do anything rash. Follow the advice from some of the previous posts that are on the conservative side

blueash 03-10-2020 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nell57 (Post 1725976)
Once a live oak has a diameter of a 4” trunk, it is a protected tree in the state of Florida.

That assertion is wrong. All protections if they exist are local not state regulation. In fact in 2019 the state passed a new law which is designed to remove any local restrictions on the removal of problem trees on private property.

DeSantis signs bill weakening Tampa’s tree ordinance

Not even trees are safe from the Florida Legislature | Editorial

This new law has not yet been tested in the courts as far as I know. Also, here in TV there is an issue of whether this law has the effect of negating the ARC's authority to prohibit tree removal. As our regulation is not the result of a local law it may not. We are bound by a set of rules per a contract we signed. Generally a contract can regulate our behavior well beyond what a law regulates. For example we all can pretty much talk about anything. But if you signed a non-disclosure agreement as a private person that contract prohibits your discussing the covered issues. No crying 1st amendment and freedom of speech, unless the NDA is for some other reason found un-enforceable. So contracts can trump law.

Two Bills 03-10-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brianherlihy (Post 1725850)
we tried to get rid of our grass. no luck now I just turnd off all the water to the grass it will just go a way

Until you get reported for having an non conforming lawned area!

debron911 03-11-2020 06:42 AM

Out tree is 100-200 years old as many oaks are around here. Some near Spanish Springs as old as 400! So The Villages wasn’t here when they were “planted.”

dmarti1973 03-11-2020 06:47 AM

You should have asked for forgiveness rather than permission. Legal action will be expensive and possibly more than the cost of the tree's removal and fine if there is one.

DeeCee Dubya 03-11-2020 06:55 AM

Curious what was the cost for removal and stump grind? Doug

prntxpresn 03-11-2020 09:32 AM

FL no longer requires permission to chop down trees. I had mine done last week. Contact Tree Frog Service The Villages Fl.

Carla B 03-11-2020 10:50 AM

It all depends on who is doing the removing from whose property. I've related this story on here before: one day in March a few years ago a contractor "cleared the forest" by suddenly removing 27 healthy, large oak trees from a grove on Kenya golf course. I called the Golf Management System to ask why they were doing that. Todd Basso, head of GMS, said they were removing them so the remaining trees would "flourish" and that he had decided which trees to take out without consulting an arborist. So oak trees are only sacred to the ARC, not the developer.

The Lake Miona incident is different, in that it involved removing trees from property that the SW Florida Water Management controls, not the ARC.

Carla B 03-11-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeCee Dubya (Post 1726170)
Curious what was the cost for removal and stump grind? Doug

We removed a very large diseased water oak from a lot we used to own in another town near here. The cost was $2,000.

grahambda 03-11-2020 07:28 PM

Thanks for the recommendation, contacted Tree Frog responded same day, came to the house , did a survey and we have plan/solution!

grahambda 03-11-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by prntxpresn (Post 1726263)
FL no longer requires permission to chop down trees. I had mine done last week. Contact Tree Frog Service The Villages Fl.

Yep they confirmed same this afternoon, tree coming down in a couple of weeks, will replace with a “canopy” tree. Big job though lots of root and stump grinding, need topsoil and new lawn as part of the project.

grahambda 03-11-2020 09:02 PM

Confirmation, recent FL law no permission needed to remove or trim trees
 
New law allows property owners to remove, trim trees without a permit | wtsp.com

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-12-2020 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nell57 (Post 1725976)
Once a live oak has a diameter of a 4” trunk, it is a protected tree in the state of Florida. The developer plants a certain number of live oaks on residential property to balance out the number they remove when clearing for the infrastructure.
A few years ago some unnamed people in the Village of Bridgeport took out a number of live oaks because they had grown taller and were blocking their beautiful view. There was a HUGE consequence. It was under investigation by the Sumpter Co Sheriff dept.
New trees were replanted, and I believe an “association “ donated about $40,000 to make the problem go away.
So don’t do anything rash. Follow the advice from some of the previous posts that are on the conservative side

That explains a lot. Almost all of the new homes that were being built in the historic district had new trees planted. Most were close to the foundation. A new house went in behind me and a live oak was planted eight feet from the foundation in the backyard. The owner found someone that wanted it and gave it to them in exchange for their removing it. I looked at one house that was built about five years ago. On the tiny front lawn were three palm trees that had been there. The Villages planted a magnolia tree in the middle of them. They were evidently planting trees to replace the ones that they they took down.

dillywho 03-12-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1725900)
These oaks are way too large for these size lots. Not sure what they were thinking when planted.

For every x-number of trees removed in clearing the land for building, they were required to plant one. Don't know if the requirement was for Oaks, but at least they chose Live Oak rather than Water Oak because of the better root system. (This is what we were told.) Water Oaks grow more on top of the ground, making them less stable in storms. Dunno for sure, because where I come from, Chinese Elms were the norm and had enormous tap roots. Not a lot of trees of any kind there.:1rotfl:

dillywho 03-12-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by grahambda (Post 1726483)

But a licensed arborist is still required to certify removal is necessary.


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