Talk of The Villages Florida

Talk of The Villages Florida (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/)
-   Investment Talk (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/investment-talk-158/)
-   -   Where is the Bottom to Dow Jones? (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/investment-talk-158/where-bottom-dow-jones-304064/)

2BNTV 03-19-2020 12:36 PM

Where is the Bottom to Dow Jones?
 
I was wondering if anyone has any insight to where Dow Jones bottom will be? Does anyone know?

My investment broker doesn't really know but is saying a loss of 35% is bottom. As usual, investment brokers are saying that long term investors should stay calm and not miss the upswing.

As of yesterday, the market was 1400 points above when Trump took office, (please, no political commentary).

I am staying put as I missed the downturn and don't want to miss the upswing. I timed the last downswing during last market upheaval and it turned out great.

retiredguy123 03-19-2020 01:02 PM

17,650

DeanFL 03-19-2020 01:16 PM

16,405

We should do a poll, winner gets...nothing.

rustyp 03-19-2020 01:31 PM

15660

dewilson58 03-19-2020 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1730119)
I was wondering if anyone has any insight to where Dow Jones bottom will be? Does anyone know?




No.

Fishers2tall 03-19-2020 01:36 PM

How low??????
 
10,000

karostay 03-19-2020 01:40 PM

That's the million dollar question

Villageswimmer 03-19-2020 02:57 PM

I think OP was being facetious.

Nucky 03-19-2020 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1730147)
16,405

We should do a poll, winner gets...nothing.

16,406 From years of watching the Price Is Right! :1rotfl:

Ashley from UK 03-19-2020 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1730119)
I was wondering if anyone has any insight to where Dow Jones bottom will be? Does anyone know?

My investment broker doesn't really know but is saying a loss of 35% is bottom. As usual, investment brokers are saying that long term investors should stay calm and not miss the upswing.

As of yesterday, the market was 1400 points above when Trump took office, (please, no political commentary).

I am staying put as I missed the downturn and don't want to miss the upswing. I timed the last downswing during last market upheaval and it turned out great.

Its down there with the GBP:USD FX.

2 weeks ago we put down our 20% deposit. Since then as a result of FX our home has risen $45k, and if it hits £1:$1 our hone will cost us $100k more...

So sell $ now at 1.15 and buy them back later when the return to 1.29.... We hope........god we hope it returns in the next 12 weeks

Fredman 03-19-2020 09:12 PM

I am not selling in fact i am considering converting my bonds into equities.

tophcfa 03-19-2020 09:27 PM

Obviously no one knows, but around 11,800 would represent a 60% sell off from the highs and would be about what happened during the Great Depression. I am not saying that’s what will happen, but that’s probably an absolute worst case scenario.

ColdNoMore 03-19-2020 09:31 PM

My WAG is the absolute bottom will end up being around 17,500, but that will be in about a month from now...after the peak of cases/deaths is reached.

I'm also guessing, that because of the emergency stimulus' that are being reviewed/enacted, it will yo-yo in the next few weeks and even get back up to around +-22,000...before that April bottom is reached.

Since it's all a guess anyway, and my kids will eventually be the beneficiaries of the good/bad choices I've made, it will be interesting to revisit this thread...around tax time. :ho:

I'm just glad now that I decided not to be greedy around Christmas of 2018 when it dropped, then rose back to just below 26,000...and moved about 75% of my investments into mostly cash, cash equivalents and treasuries.

Of course, the other 25% predicated by FOMO...has taken a butt kickin'.
:(

manaboutown 03-19-2020 09:45 PM

Only The Shadow knows...

Rwirish 03-20-2020 05:01 AM

Yes we all know where the bottom is but we are not sharing.

jimbo2012 03-20-2020 05:17 AM

If U wait for the bottom you'll likely miss it, U can do several small buys on the way down
at the mini dips.
Always down averaging along the way.

Last time I took advice of a broker was '86 '87 told me buying a margin will make a lot of $$
Don't ask how that worked out :ohdear:

Cranford61 03-20-2020 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1730137)
17,650

the bottom of the DJA was yesterday because I cashed out all my stocks at the opening bell. Voila, Dow tanks early so I lost even more, and ended up +188. I did this as a public service because historically, I move the markets. Buy and the markets fall, sell and the markets rise. No applause please.

collie1228 03-20-2020 06:42 AM

The mainstream media likes to quote the Dow, as they are generally lazy and don't have to do any real reporting and it's easy. The real question is not when the Dow will rebound, but what great stocks are now on sale. For instance, Apple Computer, one of the best performing tech stocks ever, is now on sale at $247 a share, down from about $330 just a month ago. Yes, it may go down some more in the near future, but does anyone really believe that it's heyday is over? Not me. I'm dollar cost averaging my way back into this market, and Apple is on the top of my list.

Eg_cruz 03-20-2020 06:47 AM

Unfortunately nobody really knows so hang tight it will get better

Dcurrie911 03-20-2020 06:48 AM

I’m predicting two lows. The first will be directly related to the virus which I think will bottom at about 17500. The markets will start to recover but then the economic impacts will surface maybe 1-2 qtrs later sending the market down again. 13000-15000 depending on how long and how much more is shut down. IMHO

noslices1 03-20-2020 07:01 AM

As low as it is right now, it’s probably a good time to buy, but only stocks that are guaranteed not to go BK. The futures are up 600 points already today, but I believe it will be up a bunch by fall.

Marykess1802 03-20-2020 07:08 AM

Lol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1730147)
16,405

We should do a poll, winner gets...nothing.

Winner gets...toilet paper 🧻 I have a roll I can spare for such a valuable endeavor LOL

jimbo2012 03-20-2020 07:10 AM

If they don't have strong balance sheets they may not survive.

the weak ones may borrow $$ but when they need to pay it back............:pray:

bragones 03-20-2020 07:31 AM

Dow will bottom when COVID19 is demonstrably under control. Negative economic impact that will follow is likely already factored into today's depressed value.

dcurrie947 03-20-2020 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishers2tall (Post 1730163)
10,000

Love your greyhound! We have an IG!

bigeasy 03-20-2020 07:42 AM

If 1.5 trillion in aid don't stop the fall-there is no bottom.

jimbo2012 03-20-2020 07:45 AM

if it don't they'll get more

DeanFL 03-20-2020 07:48 AM

kinda on topic. I did not want to miss this 'downturn'. I have had a relatively large (for me) sum of liquid $$$ in Synchrony Bank, for emergencies, easy to access $$$ if cash if required. A week ago I decided getting (now) 1.8% was unwise considering the potential of great returns in the Market, eventually.

Contacted my investment guy - we invested 30% of that cash into American funds, Growth Fund and Small Cap World Fund. Both should provide a great return WHEN the Market makes the vertical move. Bought when the Dow was about 20,600. I will probably do the same $$$ move next week.

Little doubt the US Market will skyrocket later this year (if not earlier) - we may be back at 29,000 Dow in a year.

It's 'my kid's' money anyway... you know...

DeanFL 03-20-2020 07:48 AM

kinda on topic. I did not want to miss this 'downturn'. I have had a relatively large (for me) sum of liquid $$$ in Synchrony Bank, for emergencies, easy to access $$$ if cash if required. A week ago I decided getting (now) 1.8% was unwise considering the potential of great returns in the Market, eventually.

Contacted my investment guy - we invested 30% of that cash into American funds, Growth Fund and Small Cap World Fund. Both should provide a great return WHEN the Market makes the vertical move. Bought when the Dow was about 20,600. I will probably do the same $$$ move next week.

Little doubt the US Market will skyrocket later this year (if not earlier) - we may be back at 29,000 Dow in a year.

It's 'my kid's' money anyway... you know...

Michael Charles 03-20-2020 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1730147)
16,405

We should do a poll, winner gets...nothing.

Winner should get a 2 month supply of TP and hand sanitizer!!

Satjr35031 03-20-2020 07:57 AM

Remember it took 108 years to get to 10,000 and only twenty days to lose 10,000

dougawhite 03-20-2020 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 1730412)
the bottom of the DJA was yesterday because I cashed out all my stocks at the opening bell. Voila, Dow tanks early so I lost even more, and ended up +188. I did this as a public service because historically, I move the markets. Buy and the markets fall, sell and the markets rise. No applause please.

That's my line buy when I sell, sell when I buy, you'll be rich. I went to cash at 20K. I'll probably get back in late summer at the same point on its way back up.

dadoiron 03-20-2020 08:40 AM

0 is the true bottom but it will never get there.

MandoMan 03-20-2020 08:46 AM

If I had pulled out all my money a month ago, I would put it all back into the same mutual funds now. I’m kicking myself that I didn’t.

Lisa99 03-20-2020 09:12 AM

We'll know well after it's actually hit bottom, starts coming back up and stays up.

I rebalance quarterly so will be buying more index fund equities soon to get my AA back into balance.

jnafix 03-20-2020 09:19 AM

Thank you Villagers for sharing your wisdom. This was one of the best posts that I have yet to read.

Scudder 03-20-2020 09:26 AM

The DOW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1730119)
I was wondering if anyone has any insight to where Dow Jones bottom will be? Does anyone know?

My investment broker doesn't really know but is saying a loss of 35% is bottom. As usual, investment brokers are saying that long term investors should stay calm and not miss the upswing.

As of yesterday, the market was 1400 points above when Trump took office, (please, no political commentary).

I am staying put as I missed the downturn and don't want to miss the upswing. I timed the last downswing during last market upheaval and it turned out great.

The Dow is just a barometer of a few leading stocks. Worry about your own stock holdings which could have an entirely different trajectory.

jimbo2012 03-20-2020 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scudder (Post 1730541)
The Dow is just a barometer of a few leading stocks. Worry about your own stock holdings which could have an entirely different trajectory.

If any of you watch Cramer at 6 Mad Money

That's exactly what he says.

Also doesn't like funds etf's etc.

prntxpresn 03-20-2020 09:44 AM

Buy gold & silver commodities. SDBuillion.com

retiredguy123 03-20-2020 10:14 AM

The reason why it is very difficult to time the bottom of the market is that, when it hits bottom, the event that caused stocks to go down is already over. The stock market reacts to anticipated future events that may or may not occur. If the event doesn't occur, then the market goes back up. If the event does occur, then it is too late to sell your stocks. Often, when a recession hits, the stock market is already on the way up because the market anticipated the recession in advance and has already bottomed out. So, you have to be able to predict the future to time the stock market.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:24 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.32 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.