Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves?
 

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

Not going to shoot you. Just disagree with you. That’s life.

Sure is a fine line between fact and fiction.

I think that they might be wondering what is so darned important about that new fangled toilet paper.

Nope but also disagree, since you believe you have a right to infect and kill people with a virus because you want to I want them to take away your civil liberties since you don't seem to care whom you hurt.

Take advice from members of the armed services on military maters.
Take advice on health from the medical experts.
From these people you will receive information based on facts not emotion or personal desires.

I believe 100% that you are correct. We will look back on this and find that all the shutdowns were an over reaction to what was reported to us and that the virus wasn't near as deadly as 1st reported. One positive would be less dependence on China possibly.

The OP is pointing a finger at the "U.S. Government" for abusing government power. But, what about the rest of the world? Aren't they doing basically the same thing as far as shutting things down? Even the Pope cancelled his open church service. What government is acting differently?

Where is the popcorn!!!!

We look back at the interment of Japanese in America, some thought it horrible when it was happening. Who was right, history judges it was unfair but justifiable do to panic. Better to be safe than sorry? And, we did make amends!

Believe it or not, the public is often to stupid to protect itself. There are those that do not believe this virus is a problem and go around infecting others. If you want to jump off a bridge then jump but dont grab someone on your way down.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

Step back and take a breath. First of all churches are just buildings made of mortar and wood. You don't need to be in a building full of people who could potentially kill you with a virus they are carrying. You can read the Bible at home, you can pray at home, you can watch a service on your tv. You don't need to be in a church building. Think about the clergy and their families. Do they want to expose their families to this awful disease. We need to concur this disease and packing people into a building will only further the assault we are under. Second: Wal-Mart also provides not only food but has a pharmacy inside its' building which makes it an essential business. I have seen much smaller grocery stores still open, because again, they are essential. The stimulus package, when in finally arrives, will get the small business back on their feet. This type of setback happens whenever there is a disaster not just this virus. The real question is: How often do people make it a point to shop at only small retail stores? These small business will also get no interest loans to help get them up and running again. A well run small business if handled properly will have enough backup assets to hold them for a few months just in case. So yes, we do need Wal-Mart stores, Targets and the like. Third: Government doesn't always get it right because there are far to many cooks in the kitchen. Our governor could do a better job in not playing politics and getting what The Villages really needs, a huge testing site for all of our residents to have access to. Being a research site doesn't cut it.

You’re wrong. That I can tell you.

Totally agree. People like the government when it benefits them but are full of one way thinking when they are not pleased. Think about it.

The US government has not closed a single business, nor does it have the authority to do so. All quarantine actions and business closures have been on the order of local and state authorities. Some states, such as Kentucky and Michigan, have closed even drive-in church services, for example. Others have not. Vermont ordered Target and Walmart to sell only food items and to close off the rest of the stores.

The media is currently telling us the the US death toll is hire than Italy and climbing. We’re now the hugest in the world.
Take a deep breath! Ok now Italy has a population of around 23 million. The USA 2018 senses was around 350 million. This doesn’t account for legal visitors and illegal visitors so will add another 3 million. Now do the math and tell me who has the highest death rate percentage.

I am a front line registered nurse and hope you or your family doesn’t need my services. Is this short sacrificing worth my life or my family so you can go to different areas. Selfish

Funny how all this 'staying at home' stuff is affecting people differently...the individual that made this OP obviously has lost whatever few marbles they had when they moved here and has gone literally gone over the edge and is now 'bat crazy'....
hopefully it's like sea sickness and goes away

a little disappointing that the first post is dripping with venom and anger...too bad there isn't an audio to these posts...they could have included a few 'foot stomps' to make their point

I'm responding hoping that they'll read this so that they know that in the era when messengers where actually being killed for delivering the wrong message they didn't have the ability to 'shoot' them ....firearms arrived on the scene much later

just saying

I certainly do not agree with your assessment. California did inter Japanese people, both American citizens and immigrants. On the other hand, Hawaii did not. No act during the war was documented in Hawaii involving treason by them. Tell me which decision was correct?

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither and will ultimately receive neither.

I agree 100%.

Do the right thing
 

26505 Deaths And 606685 cases confirmed you cannot be serious. So you’d like to go to Sunday services and increase the odds of this virus doing even more damage? A very slow response from our government put us behind this pandemic leading us to believe this was not worth worrying about so if your mad and upset maybe find a direction to point your anger at. Yes this is an over 55 community but unfortunately we have a bunch of adults acting like teenagers still hanging out in groups and not socially distancing themselves thus endangering even more people. Stop complaining about your civil liberties being denied let’s figure out what we need to do to get past this so we can get back to normal.:MOJE_whot:

Virus Interment
 

Yep - this time its not the Japanese its us

It shows the myriad of government agencies and the vast power they can wield over our daily lives. Whats it gonna be next time? German measles?

I agree 100%.

Lets review all the overlap of federal and state agencies and define their missions so we don't have the left hand not knowing what the right had is doing - everyone ordering masks and high priced medical equipment, states competing against each other, federal government agencies bidding against each other, driving up prices and creating pockets of over/under supply. When this is done we will probably have 50,000 ventilators that will be obsolete because the net models will be cheaper, better....

I am just astounded at the lack of insight at the original post. I can just imagine what that post would be if all businesses were forced to close! Ya know, some people will complain if their ice cream is cold!

Have you been living under a rock? Look at how many people have died from this virus. This is serious

Vote against the church closers

I bet the one on high understands...…………...

So many exaggerations, untrue statements, unfound rumors, poor information and outright lies floating around.

Some people find good in things and share them.

Others vent their fear in angry statements with incorrect information. Some people only recognize one emotion; anger.

WALMART like other businesses are ordered to sell only food items at this time.

Sadly not everyone is intelligent enough to follow basic protocol. As an example of churches holding services, at least 2 ministers who preached that they and their flocks would be immune since they were so close to God, have died. In California, I think something like 40 people who went to church have Covid 19 now. As to Walmart being open, again I agree with the ruling, as the isles are wide. Small independent shops are SMALL and there is no way to keep a distance of 6 or more feet. No one WANTS the businesses to go under, but it's saving lives. If I were to complain about anything, it would be our government not taking action soon enough when we saw what was happening in other countries. At that time, we should have been checking our resources to be sure we were prepared for a pandemic. Bush brought this up in 2005 and Obama in 2014. Our president calling Covid 19 a hoax is like the white supremists calling the holocaust a hoax. Both shameful.

Shut down
 

What orders were there by the federal government to close businesses?

When you were a child, your parents and teachers told you that you should stop, look both ways, and listen before crossing the street. This was good advice and you probably never got run over by a car because you did those things (or were just damn lucky). Now, later in life, you look back and think that was totally unnecessarily because you never got run over!

That seems to be your thinking here. If a complete disaster is avoided it’s because people take precautions—not because there was never a dire threat.

Another example that people like you mention is Y2K. No disaster happened because we spent billions upgrading hardware and software to prevent the disaster—not because there was no real threat. People worked long, hard hours to prevent it and when people like you make fun of it, you are belittling their effort.

How about the ozone hole? Many people like you complain that you want your Freon and it was unfair for the government to outlaw its use. We were warned that millions of people would die of skin cancer if the hole expanded to cover the earth. But millions didn’t die. Not because there wasn’t a threat, but because we prevented the ozone hole from expanding by banning Freon.

There are many examples like this. You really do need to quit watching fake “news” programs that tell you the be outraged over things so they can manipulate you into doing things that are not really in your best interest.

Italy
 

Senses? Hire? Italian population 23 million?

Have you not read about the Pandemic of 1918? Read that before you throw out all of your uninformed opinions.

He didn't call Covid 19 a hoax.

Yes, this is a time that will challenge small businesses. However, I frequent several small businesses and while they may have changed certain aspects of how they do business, they are still open. Restaurants can go "pick up only" and for those that do, I am tipping 50% to help their staff. For those of us that live in TV, we should be the first to support those small businesses now and when they reopen. It is up to you.

Maybe the next time you post something, you will try using facts instead of emotion. First, the US government has not shut down a thing. There is not one small business in America that was forced to close it’s doors because of any action by the federal government. Secondly, in Florida as throughout most of the country, governments did not shut down churches. The leaders of the church dud. Thank goodness they had the foresight to close their sanctuaries and provide other means of warship.

We are a very fortunate community. Almost all of us have better health than the average American in this age population. Very few of us are forced to interact with the public to earn a living. And, even though our houses may be on top of each other, we still live in a relatively sparsely dense neighborhood.

For God sake, quit complaining and go for a walk.