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argos5usa 04-27-2020 11:14 AM

Can we reopen the Pickleball courts, please.
 
A lot of people rely on pickleball and other physical activities to keep their blood pressure down and maintain their general health...Keeping these activities closed is doing much more harm than good...either open them or partially refund amenities fees...germophobes can stay home ...enough is enough already.

vintageogauge 04-27-2020 11:17 AM

Don't you have to touch the ball after someone else touches it? We are still allowed to jog or run or ride bikes or use the outdoor gym equipment all of which would be considered physical activities and just as good if not better than pickle ball.

JGVillages 04-27-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754524)
A lot of people rely on pickleball and other physical activities to keep their blood pressure down and maintain their general health...Keeping these activities closed is doing much more harm than good...either open them or partially refund amenities fees...germophobes can stay home ...enough is enough already.

I miss my daily pickleball but I’ve been walking 3 miles daily to stay active. Keeping activities closed does not have to do you harm. There are alternatives to stay active until a reasonable plan to a safe re-opening can be implemented. If safety “rules” for opening are not followed it will cause heated disputes on the courts, and they will just shut them down again. For me I plan to wear pickleball gloves and bring my own hand sanitizer and a chair. Probably water and possibly balls will not be provided initially so bring your own. The developer has a liability exposure to consider. Pools are re-opening first so let us see what happens there. Rules were not followed prior to shut down so if that scenario repeats we will all suffer.

argos5usa 04-27-2020 12:19 PM

Thank you for the thoughtful response(s) but if "liability exposure" becomes the primary concern then they won't reopen for months..."assumption of the risk" should be a sufficient defense for the developer...wearing gloves won't protect you very much since you will likely touch other parts of your body with your glove...using outdoor exercise equipment is arguably much worse than touching a pickleball.

My point is that we have reached the point of diminishing returns on this lock down approach and entering the causing more harm than good phase and we need to move on.

karostay 04-27-2020 02:06 PM

No No No silence is golden

coffeebean 04-27-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1754526)
Don't you have to touch the ball after someone else touches it? We are still allowed to jog or run or ride bikes or use the outdoor gym equipment all of which would be considered physical activities and just as good if not better than pickle ball.

Does the outdoor gym equipment have to be touched to use them? I thought that equipment was off limits at this time.

GoPacers 04-27-2020 03:36 PM

I don't see why pickleball courts couldn't be opened assuming people could follow social distancing guidelines. Yes, you have to touch the ball but don't touch your face and after each game, wash (disinfect) your hands and the ball. It really could (and should) be a very safe game to play. Only put up 1/2 the nets and that alone would decrease the density on the courts.

I do see the problem with players standing in lines waiting to play and I'm not sure there is a good way to protect against that since too many folks just don't seem to understand. In most of the recreation activities if people would follow the rules they could be played very safely. The few are ruining the opportunities for the many.

Bogie Shooter 04-27-2020 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754556)
Thank you for the thoughtful response(s) but if "liability exposure" becomes the primary concern then they won't reopen for months..."assumption of the risk" should be a sufficient defense for the developer...wearing gloves won't protect you very much since you will likely touch other parts of your body with your glove...using outdoor exercise equipment is arguably much worse than touching a pickleball.

My point is that we have reached the point of diminishing returns on this lock down approach and entering the causing more harm than good phase and we need to move on.

Diminishing returns, let me play and just let a few die!

Topspinmo 04-27-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1754526)
Don't you have to touch the ball after someone else touches it? We are still allowed to jog or run or ride bikes or use the outdoor gym equipment all of which would be considered physical activities and just as good if not better than pickle ball.

So you touch the ball, the ball being hit through the air. Does the virus ( 1- 10,000 change it did get on the ball) stick like magnet?

Haven’t heard of one case of pickleball or tennis player that caught the virus from playing? Much higher chance going into store or walking/standing by people you don’t know.

As long as they take precautions like wipe ball, wipe hands, wipe paddle before you enter the court, don’t French kiss anyone, stick you’re fingers in you’re mouth, lick the ball.

Can’t be shut down for ever. USTA has all ready released opinions on playing in non hot spot areas.

Now will they provide balls, water, and or back to league play with large groups not likely for month or more. There NO reason not let outdoor activities start back up.

If not then, golf needs to be shut down.

Topspinmo 04-27-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1754653)
Diminishing returns, let me play and just let a few die!

Bet you’re playing golf, shut that ____ down then.

Read some obituaries, quite few said they was avid golfers? I wonder when virus patients are asked questions? Is one question have you been playing golf? I haven’t read one that said they were avid pickleball or tennis players? Maybe someone needs to connect the dots?

Topspinmo 04-27-2020 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1754652)
I don't see why pickleball courts couldn't be opened assuming people could follow social distancing guidelines. Yes, you have to touch the ball but don't touch your face and after each game, wash (disinfect) your hands and the ball. It really could (and should) be a very safe game to play. Only put up 1/2 the nets and that alone would decrease the density on the courts.

I do see the problem with players standing in lines waiting to play and I'm not sure there is a good way to protect against that since too many folks just don't seem to understand. In most of the recreation activities if people would follow the rules they could be played very safely. The few are ruining the opportunities for the many.

USTA has already issued guideline’s for playing in non heavy effect areas.

thelegges 04-27-2020 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1754615)
Does the outdoor gym equipment have to be touched to use them? I thought that equipment was off limits at this time.

Outdoor equipment have been open the entire time, we always brought wipes before using equipment, just like at a gym.

JoMar 04-27-2020 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754556)
Thank you for the thoughtful response(s) but if "liability exposure" becomes the primary concern then they won't reopen for months..."assumption of the risk" should be a sufficient defense for the developer...wearing gloves won't protect you very much since you will likely touch other parts of your body with your glove...using outdoor exercise equipment is arguably much worse than touching a pickleball.

My point is that we have reached the point of diminishing returns on this lock down approach and entering the causing more harm than good phase and we need to move on.

I believe you meant it is causing you more harm, and that would be a mental thing and not physical unless that is your choice. As mentioned before, there are alternative ways to get your excercise. Germaphobe was really a poor choice of words and could mean you don't understand the harm this virus can do physically.

thelegges 04-27-2020 05:39 PM

I would think you are at lower risk playing pickle ball, than shopping at the grocery since March

dewilson58 04-27-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754524)
A lot of people rely on pickleball and other physical activities to keep their blood pressure down and maintain their general health...Keeping these activities closed is doing much more harm than good...either open them or partially refund amenities fees...germophobes can stay home ...enough is enough already.


Most (no, i did not measure) are minimal physical activity.

A few active hot-shots, but most are dink, dink, point.

Much healthier to walk, run, ride, row.


Refund??..........clueless.

vintageogauge 04-27-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1754615)
Does the outdoor gym equipment have to be touched to use them? I thought that equipment was off limits at this time.

You can sanitize the equipment before you use it but I doubt you can keep stopping a pickle ball game to clean your hands after touching the ball. I think it's the inside gyms that are closed not the outdoor equipment.

600th Photo Sq 04-27-2020 08:03 PM

I have the inside information on when the " Some " of the courts will be opened. I will let you know by this coming Friday.

justjim 04-27-2020 08:47 PM

It’s settled
 
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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1754750)
I have the inside information on when the " Some " of the courts will be opened. I will let you know by this coming Friday.

Well, it’s settled then.

Marvic 1 04-27-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1754750)
I have the inside information on when the " Some " of the courts will be opened.

. . . . Some, . . . . that is stupid, it would create larger crowds then normal play..

argos5usa 04-27-2020 09:27 PM

If you want everyone to sign a waiver of liability before entering the courts...fine, I'll sign it.

You want to wear a mask for the rest of your life...fine, it will probably be an improvement.

I'm sick and tired of paranoid germophobes dictating what the rest of us can or cannot do.

God bless America.

eyc234 04-27-2020 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1754652)
I don't see why pickleball courts couldn't be opened assuming people could follow social distancing guidelines. Yes, you have to touch the ball but don't touch your face and after each game, wash (disinfect) your hands and the ball. It really could (and should) be a very safe game to play. Only put up 1/2 the nets and that alone would decrease the density on the courts.

I do see the problem with players standing in lines waiting to play and I'm not sure there is a good way to protect against that since too many folks just don't seem to understand. In most of the recreation activities if people would follow the rules they could be played very safely. The few are ruining the opportunities for the many.

:ohdear: So no one ever wipes sweat from their face? You could not even begin to say how many times you could touch your face during a game and after touching a ball. Luv the game but do not trust most people about what they do, where they have been or what they touch.

eyc234 04-27-2020 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1754718)
Most (no, i did not measure) are minimal physical activity.

A few active hot-shots, but most are dink, dink, point.

Much healthier to walk, run, ride, row.


Refund??..........clueless.

:bigbow:

eyc234 04-27-2020 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754777)
If you want everyone to sign a waiver of liability before entering the courts...fine, I'll sign it.

You want to wear a mask for the rest of your life...fine, it will probably be an improvement.

I'm sick and tired of paranoid germophobes dictating what the rest of us can or cannot do.

God bless America.

That is a pretty absurd thought. Will you sign a waiver that allows the taking of a loved one of yours when your actions whether on purpose or accidental takes another's loved one? Oh and you must explain to the ones left behind that you did it for a game? Everyone has fears (including you and I) and it does not make them paranoid, anymore than your seemed obsession with a game makes you an addict.

Hopefully things will get back to normal quicker rather than slower and we can get back to normal using intelligence, control and safety for the larger good of citizens.

argos5usa 04-28-2020 12:25 AM

" Will you sign a waiver that allows the taking of a loved one of yours when your actions whether on purpose or accidental takes another's loved one? "

What on earth? Has everyone become insane? Or just a vocal few?

Look...It's really simple....If you want to play pickleball with me or anyone else, you are assuming the risk that you might get hurt, either by getting hit by the ball, falling or impacted by a sneeze, cough or touch containing bacteria, viruses or germs....If you don't want to play, stay home, wear your mask, watch MSNBC and live in fear.

Like I said...it's really simple.

Rosebud1949 04-28-2020 05:08 AM

Pickleball 50% capacity courts masks and gloves......no exceptions.. germophobe comment to those who CARE if they get or pass on the virus was really uncalled for.. Assume you are one of many without a mask !!!

shelley77 04-28-2020 05:27 AM

I think we should ban cars too. Just think, we can save 38,000 lives per year (that's just the fatality rate), plus over 100,000 serious permanent injuries. 38,000 souls, and every one a brother, sister, mother, father, son daughter. Think of the EMT's that have to go to these crash sites, day after day, and deal with the agony and death. If you want to drive you're just a selfish, greedy person. Drive and Die!

woderfulwendy1 04-28-2020 05:38 AM

Problem solved, we have a bucket of sanitized balls, all 4 players sanitize their hands before the game begins, they get a sanitized ball, play game, end of game ball back into sanitizing bucket. When we wait for the next game we do social distancing. We are Outside, we're not in enclosed in a crowded room. All our lives are going to get down to either keep yourself the safest and don't leave your home at all and let the others get on with their lives and don't be resentful of them. Sometimes it just comes down to choice.

roob1 04-28-2020 05:53 AM

The ball may become unsanitized as soon as one player touches his/her face during the game and then touches the ball.


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Originally Posted by woderfulwendy1 (Post 1754825)
Problem solved, we have a bucket of sanitized balls, all 4 players sanitize their hands before the game begins, they get a sanitized ball, play game, end of game ball back into sanitizing bucket. When we wait for the next game we do social distancing. We are Outside, we're not in enclosed in a crowded room. All our lives are going to get down to either keep yourself the safest and don't leave your home at all and let the others get on with their lives and don't be resentful of them. Sometimes it just comes down to choice.


Girlcopper 04-28-2020 06:01 AM

Correct. Opening pickle ball for health reasons is ridiculous. Ok. Lets get the blood pressure down but get the virus instead. Yeah. That makes sense

davem4616 04-28-2020 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754803)
" Will you sign a waiver that allows the taking of a loved one of yours when your actions whether on purpose or accidental takes another's loved one? "

What on earth? Has everyone become insane? Or just a vocal few?

Look...It's really simple....If you want to play pickleball with me or anyone else, you are assuming the risk that you might get hurt, either by getting hit by the ball, falling or impacted by a sneeze, cough or touch containing bacteria, viruses or germs....If you don't want to play, stay home, wear your mask, watch MSNBC and live in fear.

Like I said...it's really simple.



nice rant :clap2::clap2::clap2:

EileenK 04-28-2020 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1754526)
Don't you have to touch the ball after someone else touches it? We are still allowed to jog or run or ride bikes or use the outdoor gym equipment all of which would be considered physical activities and just as good if not better than pickle ball.

Don’t you touch the handles on each exercise piece of equipment? You do. So how is that allowed and not pickleball?

B-flat 04-28-2020 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1754718)
Most (no, i did not measure) are minimal physical activity.

A few active hot-shots, but most are dink, dink, point.

Much healthier to walk, run, ride, row.


Refund??..........clueless.

:bigbow:

richl 04-28-2020 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1754526)
Don't you have to touch the ball after someone else touches it? We are still allowed to jog or run or ride bikes or use the outdoor gym equipment all of which would be considered physical activities and just as good if not better than pickle ball.

I think you miss the point - I for one like pickleball and play 5-6 times a week for my cardio requirement. I don't like biking, and I cannot jog because of my knee. If you look at the dimensions of the court, the 4 players can maintain a 6-foot separation pretty easily if desired. One can also wear a mask. It is outdoors where the threat is less than say shopping for food. yes, you touch the ball but so what you just wash your hands like you would for any other activity like food shopping, getting gas, etc. IMO the pluses outweigh the negatives.

matandch 04-28-2020 06:25 AM

I’ll let you in on a secret. People can (and do) play Pickleball all day at PEAR Park near Lake Harris S of Leesburg. I’m also a player but choose to stay away, instead choosing to walk the trails alone also at PEAR Park to get my exercise.

Marathon Man 04-28-2020 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754777)
If you want everyone to sign a waiver of liability before entering the courts...fine, I'll sign it.

You want to wear a mask for the rest of your life...fine, it will probably be an improvement.

I'm sick and tired of paranoid germophobes dictating what the rest of us can or cannot do.

God bless America.

What would the waiver say? "I take full resposibility if I pass the virus on to others while playing."

JonWilliams 04-28-2020 06:35 AM

A couple of factual points here: (1) The Developer does not own the pickleball courts, We do (through the Community Development Districts) except in the new areas. The CDDs purchase recreation facilities from the Developer generally as new areas mature. (2) We all have (are supposed to have) signed general waivers absolving the Rec department, CCD, and Developer as applicable, from liability as a result of use of any and all rec facilities. No additional waivers are needed.

HelenLCSW 04-28-2020 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754524)
A lot of people rely on pickleball and other physical activities to keep their blood pressure down and maintain their general health...Keeping these activities closed is doing much more harm than good...either open them or partially refund amenities fees...germophobes can stay home ...enough is enough already.

This has nothing to do with germs — this is a pandemic —better a little overkill than not enough — take a walk, or a run —

EileenK 04-28-2020 07:07 AM

Exactly!
Put a sign up stating ‘play at your own risk”

gsovas 04-28-2020 07:08 AM

Pickleball
 
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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754524)
A lot of people rely on pickleball and other physical activities to keep their blood pressure down and maintain their general health...Keeping these activities closed is doing much more harm than good...either open them or partially refund amenities fees...germophobes can stay home ...enough is enough already.

Pickleball could reopen if all were forced to wear gloves & keep the distance.
However, you ave to realize everyone touches the ball so gloves could help here.

coffeebean 04-28-2020 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by argos5usa (Post 1754777)
If you want everyone to sign a waiver of liability before entering the courts...fine, I'll sign it.

You want to wear a mask for the rest of your life...fine, it will probably be an improvement.

I'm sick and tired of paranoid germophobes dictating what the rest of us can or cannot do.


God bless America.

This statement tells me you are absolutely clueless that you are endangering OTHERS. I understand you don't care if YOU contract the disease but you are clueless that you can infect OTHERS and not be aware of it.


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