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EdFNJ 05-01-2020 04:19 PM

"Stimulus Check" for my deceased father.
 
My widower father passed away in March 2018 but I did file his final 2018 tax return for him and it was marked deceased and his SS immediately stopped. Today I got a stimulus check for him with his name c/o my name & address. I understand that this happens and I did shred it but right next to his name on the check it says DECEASED (actually DECD) so they KNOW he's in tax free living now. That's the part I can't understand because any 1st year programmer could easily have added "if account marked DECEASED do not send check." I wonder how many of these get cashed. Admittedly I was tempted after reading a lot of legal posts about this online but I felt the gov't needed it more than me so it got shredded. :D :D The Trumpster and his Mnyuchin says "we'll get the money back" so I'm sure they would have paid me a visit. ;)

Topspinmo 05-01-2020 04:48 PM

Great, thousands out of work can’t get the check and they are sending them out to the deceased. On par with any federal ran program I see.

Sail41 05-01-2020 05:26 PM

If he was alive when they approved the payments, I would think the estate is still entitled to the money.

alwann 05-01-2020 05:54 PM

Stimulus mis-check
 
I read that a woman in England -- a British citizen -- got a check. Maybe she had earned income in the US at some point and filed. Even so, it's clear the system has flaws. I imagine some government operations are short-staffed, and this may have an effect. Also, due to the vacancies, some GS15s may have to fill in and have no clue how to do the grunt work.:D

rjm1cc 05-01-2020 06:11 PM

I think the answer is that although you have many skilled employees not all employees have the needed skills for the tasks assigned . Normal testing and review of the software was probably not possible but I could see errors happening in the best of times. The states problem with unemployment should give you an idea as to there ability to compete with the private industry who would be out of business if they did the same.

Number 10 GI 05-01-2020 06:16 PM

People were demanding something be done NOW so they did something NOW. When you rush developing and executing a plan errors happen, sometimes big errors. Now all the critics can gleefully beat the drum on how incompetent the government is.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-01-2020 06:20 PM

I still haven't gotten my stimulus check yet. But the website still says I'm eligible and the money will be deposited into my account ending in (....) when the funds are released, and that the webpage I"m looking at will change to reflect the deposit.

Maybe by the time it comes I won't actually need it anymore.

EdFNJ 05-01-2020 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sail41 (Post 1757051)
If he was alive when they approved the payments, I would think the estate is still entitled to the money.

As my original post stated he passed away in MARCH OF 2018 so I would assume he wasn't entitled to the money.

EdFNJ 05-01-2020 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1757070)
People were demanding something be done NOW so they did something NOW. When you rush developing and executing a plan errors happen, sometimes big errors. Now all the critics can gleefully beat the drum on how incompetent the government is.

I agree but his check was marked DECEASED. DECEASED are not supposed to get checks. It's not like he passed away a month or 2 ago and the gov't records updates were still in limbo it's been close to 2.5 YEARS.

Edit: Can you imagine the financial loss if every deceased person who died sometime in 2018 (had a 2018 tax form filed) got a $1200 check? It seems likely that is what could have happened because it makes no sense they just randomly in error chose him.

Topspinmo 05-01-2020 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1757115)
I agree but his check was marked DECEASED. DECEASED are not supposed to get checks. It's not like he passed away a month or 2 ago and the gov't records updates were still in limbo it's been close to 2.5 YEARS.

Edit: Can you imagine the financial loss if every deceased person who died sometime in 2018 (had a 2018 tax form filed) got a $1200 check? It seems likely that is what could have happened because it makes no sense they just randomly in error chose him.

Why not, they can vote! :ohdear:

DAN48 05-02-2020 05:18 AM

Agree!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1757070)
People were demanding something be done NOW so they did something NOW. When you rush developing and executing a plan errors happen, sometimes big errors. Now all the critics can gleefully beat the drum on how incompetent the government is.

The above quote is absolutely right! The Federal Government has not had to make a payment like this in over 10 years and has to send out tens of millions of unusual payments at warp speed. If the lamestream media finds one instance of a late/missing payment, they are ready to villify all concerned.

Stu from NYC 05-02-2020 05:38 AM

When has the govt ever efficiently spent our money?

davem4616 05-02-2020 05:53 AM

I get that the government was under pressure to act quickly, however even with the need to move with alacrity someone should have defined the business rules for generating checks and verified that they were incorporated into the system.

I've consulted with the NSA, DOD, EPA and will tell you that the folks in the higher levels are really bright and on the ball...but many of the 'worker-bees' under them are just going through the motions and know that they have a job for life no matter what they do / don't do.

toeser 05-02-2020 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1757024)
My widower father passed away in March 2018 but I did file his final 2018 tax return for him and it was marked deceased and his SS immediately stopped. Today I got a stimulus check for him with his name c/o my name & address. I understand that this happens and I did shred it but right next to his name on the check it says DECEASED (actually DECD) so they KNOW he's in tax free living now. That's the part I can't understand because any 1st year programmer could easily have added "if account marked DECEASED do not send check." I wonder how many of these get cashed. Admittedly I was tempted after reading a lot of legal posts about this online but I felt the gov't needed it more than me so it got shredded. :D :D The Trumpster and his Mnyuchin says "we'll get the money back" so I'm sure they would have paid me a visit. ;)

I read someplace where the government is not going to bother going after these, so perhaps many people will find a way to cash them and do so.

I agree with you about the incompetence of our government.

Kerry Azz 05-02-2020 06:20 AM

Getting stimulated felt really good

riley2011 05-02-2020 06:27 AM

He died in 2018. He wasn’t alive when it was approved.

Rosie1950 05-02-2020 07:04 AM

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.

Bay Kid 05-02-2020 07:15 AM

Now some members of...want to send 5 billion to Iran. So easy to throw Taxpayer to whoever they owe.

You think this bad wait until election time.

EviesGP 05-02-2020 08:02 AM

This is all true. I know of people getting overpaid and underpaid. When the govt tried to implement this huge massive undertaking, and tried to put stipulations on it, like tax filing, etc. Many protests erupted over some of the less well off(who don't pay taxes), not receiving anything. Needless to say, with the hysteria and urgency, the eligibility resorted to you pretty much only needed to be a name on a list somewhere?! And voila! I asked(US Sen's office) to keep the money, but merely allow me to withdraw from my retirement without the 10% penalty. So, the withdrawal made it into the law, but my retirement board has yet to allow it, and I just received DOUBLE of what I was supposed to. And the IRS has no means/methods in place, to collect it back. Good times.

jgillette 05-02-2020 08:30 AM

I got one also yesterday for my.mom who passed away in May 2018. I put hers in a drawer waiting for them to tell me where to send it back, if that ever happens. Her name also noted deceased after it.

noslices1 05-02-2020 08:32 AM

OMG, if you tore it up, the Government checkbook won’t balance.

HawkFan 05-02-2020 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosie1950 (Post 1757228)
I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.

This is not bull. I received a check for my mother, also deceased. On the outside of the envelope there a box to check if deceased and then drop in the mailbox.

Dana1963 05-02-2020 08:39 AM

READ The man died in 2018

dplars 05-02-2020 09:26 AM

Nothing, his signature is in the printer's software as others, just a click of a mouse all automatic.

rothbear 05-02-2020 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosie1950 (Post 1757228)
I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

You are wrong. We haven't gotten ours, both on SS, and the "Get Your Payment" site says that we qualify and will get it direct deposited to our checking account, but there is NO date stated for that to happen. And yet on another site where this topic has been very active on several threads there are many people stating that they have gotten their paper checks. As well as dead people getting checks as well. So there are people out there who are supposedly still getting DDs and haven't gotten them yet. This morning our checking account has our tax refund deposit and I only did that a week ago. So they can't say they don't have our info.

EdFNJ 05-02-2020 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosie1950 (Post 1757228)
I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.


:1rotfl: Here ya go my sweet Rosie ........ hope this satisfies you. I scanned it before shredding just as a souvenir. In case you think I faked it note the "c/o" name vs. my username here. I should have cashed it and "deposited" the cash under my dad's headstone as I'm sure he'd have appreciated it. Would you also like a copy of his death certificate showing March 15, 2018 ? Yes, his SS was stopped immediately in March of 2018 so they obviously knew he was deceased 2+ YEARS ago.

retiredguy123 05-02-2020 10:18 AM

All of the stimulus money has not been paid yet. But, some of the money was sent to deceased people. That was an error. However, the Treasury Secretary told people to return the money sent to the deceased people. That was also wrong. The Government will be issuing specific guidance on what to do with the money sent to the deceased. But, the current advice is to keep the money until the guidance is issued. Technically, the stimulus money was supposed to be a tax credit for the 2020 tax year, so people who died in 2018 and 2019 should not have received the money.

Linda in St. James 05-02-2020 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosie1950 (Post 1757228)
I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.

This is not bull. We received a stimulus check via mail for my mother who passed in July 2018. We checked the "deceased" box on the envelope and dropped it in the mailbox.

EdFNJ 05-02-2020 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1757418)
However, the Treasury Secretary told people to return the money sent to the deceased people. That was also wrong. The Government will be issuing specific guidance on what to do with the money sent to the deceased.

There seems to be some legal question about them clawing it back after the fact. Do some Googling of "my deceased <fill-in-the-blank> received a stimulus check."

If your dead relative received a stimulus check, you should return it to the feds, Mnuchin says - MarketWatch

Partial clip from the article:

On Wednesday, Kaeding told MarketWatch that Mnuchin’s comments {regarding return of the checks} “surprised me a bit, given that the CARES Act included language that covers clerical mistakes by the IRS.”

Kaeding previously told MarketWatch, “An important provision of the [Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security] act, as it relates to these checks, is that if the IRS sends you too much money, you do not need to pay it back. It is considered a clerical or math error on behalf of the IRS. And that’s important because they were trying to issue these checks quickly.”

Andyb 05-02-2020 12:26 PM

Your the second person I know of that this has happened. Multiply this across the country and now we understand the Government waste and inadequacy. Thanks for shredding.
Just imagine how many deceased people are still voting too.

NavyVet 05-02-2020 12:28 PM

My father got his direct deposit a couple weeks ago, $2400. My mother deceased since NOV 2018 and marked as such when tax return filed in March 2019. Guess I'll be sending $1200 back, once we get instructions. Mistakes happen.

yankygrl 05-02-2020 12:34 PM

You need to contact SS and let them know about the error. I would not have shredded it until you spoke with them.

allsport 05-02-2020 01:29 PM

The IRS was not smart enough to sort out dead people, they ran checks for all that filed in 2018 and that is why they got checks.

KathyW 05-02-2020 01:44 PM

stimulus check for my deceased father
 
Yesterday, I also received a check for my Mother who died January 2019. It had the word "deceased" next her name.

golfing eagles 05-02-2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1757195)
I read someplace where the government is not going to bother going after these, so perhaps many people will find a way to cash them and do so.

I agree with you about the incompetence of our government.

Agree. But since it is a stimulus check, if some relative cashes it and spends it----mission accomplished

EdFNJ 05-02-2020 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allsport (Post 1757556)
The IRS was not smart enough to sort out dead people, they ran checks for all that filed in 2018 and that is why they got checks.

Yep, and there must have been 10's of thousands of them.

Rosie1950 05-02-2020 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1757415)
:1rotfl: Here ya go my sweet Rosie ........ hope this satisfies you. I scanned it before shredding just as a souvenir. In case you think I faked it note the "c/o" name vs. my username here. I should have cashed it and "deposited" the cash under my dad's headstone as I'm sure he'd have appreciated it. Would you also like a copy of his death certificate showing March 15, 2018 ? Yes, his SS was stopped immediately in March of 2018 so they obviously knew he was deceased 2+ YEARS ago.


https://i.postimg.cc/657vqfw5/Scan20...63332-Copy.jpg

So sorry for doubting u. Also sorry for ur loss. Another poster said there is a box to check on the envelope for a deceased person and drop back in the mailbox. You must have missed the note, otherwise I’m sure u would not have shredded it.

valuemkt 05-02-2020 03:59 PM

The perfect is the enemy of the good .. The same people that complain about checks that are sent incorrectly would complain about waiting months and months for THEIR check .. or how it was 59 cents off .. Some of the measures taken to minimize the impact of this crisis were done in record time. But of course no one talks about the millions of checks that reached people .. Likewise the unemployment snafus .. Yep, maybe Florida should have updated their systems years ago .. maybe they could have instituted an income tax to update those systems that have been deemed adequate for "normal" times too ..

retiredguy123 05-02-2020 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valuemkt (Post 1757646)
The perfect is the enemy of the good .. The same people that complain about checks that are sent incorrectly would complain about waiting months and months for THEIR check .. or how it was 59 cents off .. Some of the measures taken to minimize the impact of this crisis were done in record time. But of course no one talks about the millions of checks that reached people .. Likewise the unemployment snafus .. Yep, maybe Florida should have updated their systems years ago .. maybe they could have instituted an income tax to update those systems that have been deemed adequate for "normal" times too ..

Well, you can mark me down as someone who is not okay with sending $1,200 of taxpayer money to dead people who are not eligible for it, and whose relatives or whoever has access to the account can keep the money and spend it. Yes, I am complaining about that.

Also, passing a law that gives employees more income to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do. So, the employer needs to hire a new employee to replace the employee who is being paid more money to not work. I am complaining about that too.

Nick B 05-02-2020 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1757659)
Well, you can mark me down as someone who is not okay with sending $1,200 of taxpayer money to dead people who are not eligible for it, and whose relatives or whoever has access to the account can keep the money and spend it. Yes, I am complaining about that.

Also, passing a law that gives employees more income to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do. So, the employer needs to hire a new employee to replace the employee who is being paid more money to not work. I am complaining about that too.

How do figure this happens if work is available you can't choose to sit home and not go back.


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